Gobarg Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I have a suggestion that can be completely ignored. I chopped a tree down and killed a zombie. This should be an achievement! It's awesome Also patiently waiting for some juicy pics of the new build menu despite the death threats (just to be clear there were no death threats ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrfly Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, bachgaman said: Srsly? Sadly not But @faatal, is there any news on a next dev stream? We haven't gotten these in a LONG time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Burrfly said: Sadly not But @faatal, is there any news on a next dev stream? We haven't gotten these in a LONG time No. We have a while to go yet, but lots of cool work is getting done. I started working on some grass mesh improvements last week, since I have the time and I noticed the code. Hard to unsee code I don't like. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, faatal said: No. We have a while to go yet, but lots of cool work is getting done. I started working on some grass mesh improvements last week, since I have the time and I noticed the code. Hard to unsee code I don't like. maybe stupid question but why? 😅 well grass looks rly good in 7dtd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiemfire Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Matt115 said: maybe stupid question but why? 😅 well grass looks rly good in 7dtd Probably because bad/inefficient code = more bits used to process/display which can contribute to playability issues on our end. @faatal going after it is a good thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsobral Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, faatal said: I started working on some grass mesh improvements last week, since I have the time and I noticed the code. Hard to unsee code I don't like. I should have introduced you to the random gen code years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, hiemfire said: Probably because bad/inefficient code = more bits used to process/display which can contribute to playability issues on our end. @faatal going after it is a good thing. was thinking it going to be change of look of grass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt115 said: maybe stupid question but why? 😅 well grass looks rly good in 7dtd Well now it looks a bit better and is tied into draw distance to add more planes when set to the higher distances. Our artists definitely what to make better art for all plants, but that is more like A21. A big part of it was separating the collision mesh from the visual mesh as this change describes: "Optimized grass collider generation (Always 2 centered, fixed size and axis aligned planes)." More complicated grass meshes do not need a more complicated collision mesh and their collision meshes should not stray into adjacent blocks like they did. 1 hour ago, Matt115 said: was thinking it going to be change of look of grass It does that too for the mesh. On the higher grass distances, you don't have 2 planes in a + pattern. It is 3 is an overlapping triangle. And this: "Increased grass mesh variations to 192 (image, scale, rotation, cross/ring)." 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 2 hours ago, faatal said: No. We have a while to go yet, but lots of cool work is getting done. I started working on some grass mesh improvements last week, since I have the time and I noticed the code. Hard to unsee code I don't like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khzmusik Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, faatal said: Well now it looks a bit better and is tied into draw distance to add more planes when set to the higher distances. Our artists definitely what to make better art for all plants, but that is more like A21. A big part of it was separating the collision mesh from the visual mesh as this change describes: "Optimized grass collider generation (Always 2 centered, fixed size and axis aligned planes)." More complicated grass meshes do not need a more complicated collision mesh and their collision meshes should not stray into adjacent blocks like they did. It does that too for the mesh. On the higher grass distances, you don't have 2 planes in a + pattern. It is 3 is an overlapping triangle. And this: "Increased grass mesh variations to 192 (image, scale, rotation, cross/ring)." I'm glad that grass is looking better, but I'm a bit disappointed that a plant overhaul is not coming until A21. At this point the plants are the worst-looking thing in the game. It's especially bad with plants like cotton, where it's really obvious that it's just two flat textures in an X shape. Ironically, plants like aloe or saguaro (cactus) have looked pretty good for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdubyah Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I'm still waiting to see those decals that get put on the roads and stuff get updated. Like the old newspaper and the blood splatters. They look rough these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfbain5 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 @faatal another feral sense question. I have read that it extends in a 30 block radius. is that along the x and z axis only or also along the y? so basically I am 6 stories up a skyscraper, are zeds on the ground gonna feral sense me since they are technically less than 30 blocks away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyscott Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Can someone give me some information all went out for 20 is going to be released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 hours ago, khzmusik said: I'm glad that grass is looking better, but I'm a bit disappointed that a plant overhaul is not coming until A21. At this point the plants are the worst-looking thing in the game. It's especially bad with plants like cotton, where it's really obvious that it's just two flat textures in an X shape. Ironically, plants like aloe or saguaro (cactus) have looked pretty good for a long time. Patience is a virtue. Judging from everything shared so far on Twitter, the artists have improved environment art quite a bit already and don't mind grass/plants are a lower priority. Ill take updated gore models, and more deco over updated grass/plants first any day...😅 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, mikeyscott said: Can someone give me some information all went out for 20 is going to be released Hopefully in 3-4 months at least. Maybe by then my new kitten will age beyond the clawing / scratching phase and I'll be able to properly get back into gaming again without her attacking the headphones or the mouse every 5 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, wolfbain5 said: @faatal another feral sense question. I have read that it extends in a 30 block radius. is that along the x and z axis only or also along the y? so basically I am 6 stories up a skyscraper, are zeds on the ground gonna feral sense me since they are technically less than 30 blocks away? We were told that the feral sense extends in every direction, but not in sleeper volumes. What that means is that you won't enter Dishong tower and instantly wake up 3 floors/stories of Zds. Feral sense would activate only when inside the sleeper volume in that case. So for landscape Zds that don't spawn in sleeper volumes the feral sense would be in all directions all the time when turned on. 6 hours ago, faatal said: Well now it looks a bit better and is tied into draw distance to add more planes when set to the higher distances. Our artists definitely what to make better art for all plants, but that is more like A21. A big part of it was separating the collision mesh from the visual mesh as this change describes: "Optimized grass collider generation (Always 2 centered, fixed size and axis aligned planes)." More complicated grass meshes do not need a more complicated collision mesh and their collision meshes should not stray into adjacent blocks like they did. It does that too for the mesh. On the higher grass distances, you don't have 2 planes in a + pattern. It is 3 is an overlapping triangle. And this: "Increased grass mesh variations to 192 (image, scale, rotation, cross/ring)." I have a question about crops. Are crops being improved to 3d models in a20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stallionsden Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, mikeyscott said: Can someone give me some information all went out for 20 is going to be released Before a21 is released 🙂 I can be certain of that 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Give us a defoliation "bomb" that we can craft in the chemistry bench...that clears an area of grass and bushes! Yes yes...I know its a minor thing...but would give more use to the chemistry bench and help us lazy people clear all the grass around our areas...instead of running around and punching grass for hours and having tens of thousands of plant fibers! I really feel like we eventually should get a lot more recipes for chemistry...seems sort of lacking now! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrfly Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 hours ago, faatal said: No. We have a while to go yet, but lots of cool work is getting done. I started working on some grass mesh improvements last week, since I have the time and I noticed the code. Hard to unsee code I don't like. Thanks for your reply Take your time, guys, it sounds like amazing work so far. I love this game. I'm the most excited for the RWG with the downtown districts and like the actual sidewalks and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholyjoe Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 hours ago, stallionsden said: Before a21 is released 🙂 I can be certain of that 😄 by what percentage are you certain? you never know, we could skip a21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, unholyjoe said: by what percentage are you certain? you never know, we could skip a21. it's not the same if your text isn't blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 73.6 %, I'd say. That's the percentage of statistics on the internet that are just made up so it seems probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 hours ago, wolfbain5 said: @faatal another feral sense question. I have read that it extends in a 30 block radius. is that along the x and z axis only or also along the y? so basically I am 6 stories up a skyscraper, are zeds on the ground gonna feral sense me since they are technically less than 30 blocks away? It is in 3d. They can see in the direction their head is and hear all around. Feral Sense just makes the falloff with distance lower, so they see and hear farther. 9 hours ago, Blake_ said: We were told that the feral sense extends in every direction, but not in sleeper volumes. What that means is that you won't enter Dishong tower and instantly wake up 3 floors/stories of Zds. Feral sense would activate only when inside the sleeper volume in that case. So for landscape Zds that don't spawn in sleeper volumes the feral sense would be in all directions all the time when turned on. I have a question about crops. Are crops being improved to 3d models in a20? Sleeper volumes don't even spawn zombies until you are near them, then those zombies are passive (can't see or hear) until you are at the edge of the volume, then feral sense matters. Crops have no changes I'm aware of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 hours ago, faatal said: It is in 3d. They can see in the direction their head is and hear all around. Feral Sense just makes the falloff with distance lower, so they see and hear farther. Sleeper volumes don't even spawn zombies until you are near them, then those zombies are passive (can't see or hear) until you are at the edge of the volume, then feral sense matters. Yes, I realized as I said it . Feral sense doesn't "activate" per se. It's just there for enemy entities as a coded property. I have an inquiry about sleeper volumes. You say that they are passive (blind and deaf) until the player is at the edge. What about their feelings? (lol, I'll explain): What if the player is outside the edge of the volume and sees the sleeper Zd and shoots it? Do they react? I seem to think they do based on experience, but I'm not sure. So they don't see or hear... but do they register damage? Do they behave like normal once you hit them with a sniper rifle from afar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Blake_ said: Yes, I realized as I said it . Feral sense doesn't "activate" per se. It's just there for enemy entities as a coded property. I have an inquiry about sleeper volumes. You say that they are passive (blind and deaf) until the player is at the edge. What about their feelings? (lol, I'll explain): What if the player is outside the edge of the volume and sees the sleeper Zd and shoots it? Do they react? I seem to think they do based on experience, but I'm not sure. So they don't see or hear... but do they register damage? Do they behave like normal once you hit them with a sniper rifle from afar? Damage or now also falling in A20 causes them to wake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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