Alpha 19 Dev Diary

[Pegasus]

1 hour ago, Yopo said:

Wow. The amount of self entitlement, lack of event knowledge and complete grammar problems from that one guy was truly mind blowing. So much, he blew he’s  own mind and it’s no longer there. So anyways 

 

came across some pirecings in game. They don't really do anything, which reminded me of the holy metal mod that’s only in the creative menu, that provides extra damage. Anyone have any info on what might become these two items? Just curious. 

::cough::  Pot calling the kettle black.

 

He blew "his" own mind.  

 

And it's spelled piercings.

 

Be kind people.  Not everyone is a native English speaker nor is everyone able to express themselves as efficiently as one might hope.

 

And sometimes people are posting from their phones and the spell correct gremlin gets them.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

You are fine. Not everyone is an Olympic grade typist or speller.  Continue to express your thoughts and questions the way you can. 

 

The devs seem to understand you just fine, so don't worry about it.

[Jecks]

It May have already been covered, on the main 7 Days site they say "We have improved Random Gen in A19 to use every POI possible in the game so players will see the breadth of content".  Every map I've generated so far fails to have at least one of each of the largest buildings, but yet can find room for 9 each of the weapon and food factories.  Is this going to remain SOP, or is it going to be fixed somehow?  Not going to use any mods, I prefer my games the way the developers design them.

[Laz Man]

2 minutes ago, Jecks said:

It May have already been covered, on the main 7 Days site they say "We have improved Random Gen in A19 to use every POI possible in the game so players will see the breadth of content".  Every map I've generated so far fails to have at least one of each of the largest buildings, but yet can find room for 9 each of the weapon and food factories.  Is this going to remain SOP, or is it going to be fixed somehow?  Not going to use any mods, I prefer my games the way the developers design them.

I believe that skyscrapers for RWG is a work in progress.  I saw it mentioned in the bug forums.  The devs have mentioned RWG should get more of their attention on A20 so hopefully it will get sorted by then.

 

If you want a temp fix, you can easily add the missing skyscrapers into your RWG map via the world editor.

[STyK_]

@madmole
My declaration of intent:
 

Once Alpha 19 Stable comes out I'll be doing an Insane, Nightmare all the time, Permadeath, 64 Zed Bloodmoon, 2hr day, no air drops, 25% loot, no loot respawn, no cheese, no nerd poll, play though called 'One Life.'  Navezgane. One man RP to make it interesting.
 

The goal is to sway the opinion on nerd polling as settings options are being looked into to discourage it. 
Also there have been talks about settings options for Permadeath or 'Dead is dead' as TFP refers to it but only a lite so many lives version. It would be sad if Permadeath finally became an option and ended at lite. So that's why settings are hardest of the hard, proof this can be done.
Lastly hopefully my building style and playstyle will encourage TFP to add an adjustable AI difficulty scroll bar so that the AI will be more destructive and just be less predictable due to pathing. 
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Like and subscribe if you like but that is not the goal at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbyaDG3CK5JvFDsEcAFfrPw

@madmole Would it make a better case if I did it on Random Gen? I picked Navezgane cause it's closer to a finish finished product and it will help with the RP part but if you guys think random gen is ready I can change it if you think it is too much of an advantage. I've already done Navezgane I'm pointing out, I'd be just providing you with the video evidence.

I'll post the first video when I get a good start on and then I'll stop posting vids on here after.

[katarynna]

1 hour ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

I am 100% sure he was talking about ken (most of his posts have been removed thankfully) and NOT about you.

 

Your English is fine and so was your grammar. And wow, people who are able to teach themselves another language impress me. I'm stuck with English and a few words of Spanish, most of which are not repeatable in polite company.

[Yopo]

1 hour ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

No worries, wasn’t originally referring to you

 

2 hours ago, hiemfire said:

Iirc they increased infection chance. Sort of a balls out hardcore mode wearing them.

Ah makes sense I reckon. Suppose statue for that would help it more. Like infection rate +10% , seeing as most gear has that sort of thing. I e nerdy glasses, cigar’s etc etc...

[Pferdesalami]

I have a question about the 4x4 truck. Is it on purpose, that i can hear a horn or a fanfare in the backround. It is a little anoying, when you noticed it. And that the animal tracker doesn´t show everytime the animals on the map, only sometimes. Didn´t figured it out, when it shows the animals and when not.

[Darinth]

13 hours ago, meganoth said:

If I understand this correctly, the exploit would be to move the LCB a bit after you hit the limit. By always building at the edge of the LCB's range you effectively eliminated the limit.

And no, it isn't a good counter to remove all decos above the limit if the LCB is removed 😉

 

No it isn't. It causes problems with wanting to move the LCB for legitimate reasons. A better counter is to remove all decos above the old limit when a new one is placed at a different location, but even this causes issues.

4 people can claim 4 adjacent areas and pump a huge number of decoratives into a single chunk by placing all 4 lcbs such that they meet in the middle of a chunk. Depending on the complexity and technical requirements and limitations, it's feasible to pump so many objects into a single chunk that as soon as someone walks into distance to allow the chunk to render... the game crashes due to graphics memory limitations. Not 'has poor performance', just outright crashes. I don't unfortunately know enough about the technical limitations 7 days is on. I've written a simple voxel-based engine, but sadly I never got it to do a lot of the cool stuff 7dtd can do and eventually ended up giving up on it. Hope to pick it up again some day... but it's too much work for a single developer. At least for me.

[rubens9311]

On 7/31/2020 at 2:48 PM, rubens9311 said:

True. But I don't think it's like this forever haha.
 Maybe it will come out stable ... 
next week?

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[Xlxfearlessxlx]

I have to say I love the new zombie and items and models for A19. Ok started with a compliment... Now on to the main course. 

 

With that being said my wife and I play this cooperatively are not happy at all with the new loot progression. Being locked in the stone age removes the excitement from looting. It also heavily effects mining and building. Oh look, more paper, another stone ax, or another blunderbuss... We both have over 1000 hours in this game since we moved over from console to PC. I find we are playing much less than in previous alphas.

 

I am sure I will catch hell for posting my opinion, but I wanted to say my piece. 

AHEM - "Gamestage gating everything is not fun gameplay." There I said it.

[MechanicalLens]

It's fast food! 😄

 

[EggsAisle]

I was doing some quests/looting today, largely in the hopes of obtaining some robotics parts (which are by the way almost impossible to find compared to any other parts, not sure if that's intentional.) In the process, I wondered if the questing system might be fleshed out in such a way to tame the RNG just a touch. Something like:

 

30% (number is arbitrary) of quests have a more focused reward selection. It's not necessarily visible to the player, but the trader dialogue can append a little hint: "Go and beat up the zeds at house_modular_whatever. Come back when you're done and you can pick an old weapon I've got lying around in the back." Low-level quests might give you a choice between a spear and a pipe shotgun, higher-level quests might let you pick a sniper rifle or a steel sledgehammer. 

 

You could do this for weapons, tools, seeds, books, electrical stuff, medicine, recipes, construction stuff... you could even align it with the trader's specialty. And this focused reward system wouldn't necessarily apply to all quests, or even most. Maybe there's a cap of 1 per trader per day. But I feel like it could lead to some interesting choices, like "Do I take this quest that's just 300m away and hope for a good reward from the generic table, or do the quest that's 1.4km away but will give me a recipe?" And there's no guarantee that the recipes offered are new/unread, so unlucky is still unlucky. 

 

Thoughts?

[Annihilatorza]

3 hours ago, Xlxfearlessxlx said:

I have to say I love the new zombie and items and models for A19. Ok started with a compliment... Now on to the main course. 

 

With that being said my wife and I play this cooperatively are not happy at all with the new loot progression. Being locked in the stone age removes the excitement from looting. It also heavily effects mining and building. Oh look, more paper, another stone ax, or another blunderbuss... We both have over 1000 hours in this game since we moved over from console to PC. I find we are playing much less than in previous alphas.

 

I am sure I will catch hell for posting my opinion, but I wanted to say my piece. 

AHEM - "Gamestage gating everything is not fun gameplay." There I said it.

I understand how you feel, you and your wife, myself and the people on this dev thread are hard core fans when it comes down to this game. I would say less 1% of 7D2D fans comes to the forums and a even smaller % comes to this thread.

 

You have started hundreds of worlds, killed 1000's of zombies, you have spent over 6.5 weeks real world time in a single game, you are a master at it.

 

The change the TFP have made is not geared towards us, if it was it would start on:

 

Hoard night every night

Insane zombies

Only specials

Wasteland only

No animals

Always Run

200% block damage

 

It is geared toward the new players, who have just started their first world or maybe have 5 to 10 hours in game to give them an overall slower but better experience.

 

IMO

 

Anni 

[MechanicalLens]

2 minutes ago, Annihilatorza said:

You have started hundreds of worlds, killed 1000's of zombies, you have spent over 6.5 weeks real world time in a single game, you are a master at it.

This gives me confidence. You'll only need to spend several weeks in an actual apocalypse to master the world around you. 😎

[Annihilatorza]

6 minutes ago, MechanicalLens said:

This gives me confidence. You'll only need to spend several weeks in an actual apocalypse to master the world around you. 😎

Well you had better, or you going to be bandit toast really quick

[MechanicalLens]

1 minute ago, Annihilatorza said:

Well you had better, or you going to be bandit toast really quick

One month I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, the next I have a crown above my head.

[Annihilatorza]

5 minutes ago, MechanicalLens said:

One month I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, the next I have a crown above my head.

and a shotgun in your right hand

[MechanicalLens]

Just now, Annihilatorza said:

and a shotgun in your right hand

I'm left-handed.

[bloodmoth13]

18 hours ago, meganoth said:

If I understand this correctly, the exploit would be to move the LCB a bit after you hit the limit. By always building at the edge of the LCB's range you effectively eliminated the limit.

And no, it isn't a good counter to remove all decos above the limit if the LCB is removed 😉

 

The rule would be that player placed complex items can only exist within your land claim block area, if you remove it those items are replaced with trash. Its not a bad tradeoff considering the alternative is that you never get to see them at all. None of them are mandatory, they are just finishing touches.

 

There will always be trade offs and thats fine, it would be better to be able to place six hi res book shelves than none at all

[Gazz]

2 hours ago, MechanicalLens said:

2 hours ago, Annihilatorza said:

and a shotgun in your right hand

I'm left-handed.

Correct. The right hand has a chainsaw attached.

 

 

2 hours ago, bloodmoth13 said:

The rule would be that player placed complex items can only exist within your land claim block area, if you remove it those items are replaced with trash. Its not a bad tradeoff considering the alternative is that you never get to see them at all. None of them are mandatory, they are just finishing touches.

 

There will always be trade offs and thats fine, it would be better to be able to place six hi res book shelves than none at all

You guys do realise that this is getting into the territory of weird and hard to enforce rules, right?

There is no need for a solution because there is no problem.

[Noctoras]

22 hours ago, madmole said:

The argument isn't if it is realistic or not. The questions are:
Will most players use this? No.

Will it cause performance issues? Yes.

Would it delay going gold, and already promised features? Yes.
Can it be easily modded? Yes.

So unless the answers are Yes, No, No (4th question doesn't matter to me) then the answer is probably always going to be no to x feature request.

I understand your point, but it is a bit of a stretch, espacially point one. 

If "most players" ust it is a criteria, you could just as well get rid of 75% of the weapons or more :=)

 

[Jost Amman]

3 hours ago, Gazz said:

5 hours ago, MechanicalLens said:

5 hours ago, Annihilatorza said:

and a shotgun in your right hand

I'm left-handed.

Correct. The right hand has a chainsaw attached.

Yeah! 😁

Spoiler

 

 

[Roby94]

Someoane nows when they gona update for the next build ? i have wrn hollow blocks on b173...maybe the next build i can play

[lord_ahriman]

9 minutes ago, Roby94 said:

Someoane nows when they gona update for the next build ? i have wrn hollow blocks on b173...maybe the next build i can play

Yeah, no new build past week, maybe they are going stable this week.

[meganoth]

6 hours ago, EggsAisle said:

I was doing some quests/looting today, largely in the hopes of obtaining some robotics parts (which are by the way almost impossible to find compared to any other parts, not sure if that's intentional.) In the process, I wondered if the questing system might be fleshed out in such a way to tame the RNG just a touch. Something like:

 

30% (number is arbitrary) of quests have a more focused reward selection. It's not necessarily visible to the player, but the trader dialogue can append a little hint: "Go and beat up the zeds at house_modular_whatever. Come back when you're done and you can pick an old weapon I've got lying around in the back." Low-level quests might give you a choice between a spear and a pipe shotgun, higher-level quests might let you pick a sniper rifle or a steel sledgehammer. 

 

You could do this for weapons, tools, seeds, books, electrical stuff, medicine, recipes, construction stuff... you could even align it with the trader's specialty. And this focused reward system wouldn't necessarily apply to all quests, or even most. Maybe there's a cap of 1 per trader per day. But I feel like it could lead to some interesting choices, like "Do I take this quest that's just 300m away and hope for a good reward from the generic table, or do the quest that's 1.4km away but will give me a recipe?" And there's no guarantee that the recipes offered are new/unread, so unlucky is still unlucky. 

 

Thoughts?

It needs repeating: One big reason for the change of the loot tables is that normal zombies in the early game are outclassed by tier1 weapons. While stone age tier0 weapons are or should be a good match for normal zombies.

 

Many survival games start with the hero so weak he has to avoid fights and is only slowly getting more powerful. First of all in 7D2D the weak phase isn't so weak, at no time in the game do you need to walk away from a fight with a single zombie. And in earlier alphas and especially A18 your weak phase had a duration of half an hour (until you raided your first POI). That is obviously rushed for a game that is usually played for 35-50 hours per world. You can't just give a level 1 player a steel sledgehammer and expect him to still have a healthy respect for normal zombies.

 

The second consideration is that A19 has no variable difficulty for biomes, areas or POIs. A20 seems to get some of that and that would allow offering quests of varying difficulty. Without higher difficulty you can't just give higher rewards, who would be so dumb to select a low-tier quest when the high-tier quest isn't more difficult or dangerous. Even if it was 1.4km farther out.