madmole Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Thank you for replying so quickly I get it. About the last reply, I don't know if i'm the only one doing that again but it's my bad habit of hitting bodies from previous alphas, somehow a spring cleanup. As the corpses disappear after few seconds i don't consider it an endless zombie harvesting but a kind of bonus. In retrospect, bones and nitrate can already be found in reasonable quantities. So you're totally right. As much we like to harvest stuff, I think it turned into an OCD bad game loop. What we have now is better, then OCD guys don't need to harvest all corpses now and finding bones is a bit more rewarding to get them from an animal kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I would like if the corpse timer could be increased for higher end machines. I want to see lots of corpses after the BM night. I believe they can on the options screen called entityclasses.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 I would like if the corpse timer could be increased for higher end machines. I want to see lots of corpses after the BM night. A server object is a server object, so we can't discriminate, it goes away at the same time for everyone. If you play solo set it in xml to whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 I believe they can on the options screen called entityclasses.xml Lol, yes the slider goes as high as you can type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrastiOs Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 A server object is a server object, so we can't discriminate, it goes away at the same time for everyone. If you play solo set it in xml to whatever you want. Maybe the default value could be increased a little bit? Or would that really hurt the performance? Also Roland, you should really add Overhauled RWG to the OP, it's one of the main points of the upcoming Alpha and it's not even mentioned there. (Also removed tallows and new first person animations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 @Modmale Any progress on bridges in RWG? This would be amazing if you could pull it off, no biggie though if there are more important things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 As much we like to harvest stuff, I think it turned into an OCD bad game loop. What we have now is better, then OCD guys don't need to harvest all corpses now and finding bones is a bit more rewarding to get them from an animal kill. I always play with the absolute best path I can think of to be the best character I can be always doubling POIS and going for the most resources and the most perks and the best defense with the best mobility etc..... I was surprised when the no-loot zombies were shown back in early a17 ( I think I saw it for the first time in the video when MM got killed by a boar thinking it was a rock lul. ) I thought to miself: bones? what are we going to do without bones? And then I played it. It was a humongous relief ( 1-2 days of a16 were spent on looting and repairing). Now in a17 we can spend the time just looting and eating cake while we repair (not usually as much repair if you do active defending at horde night and an ergonomic base) AND doing whatever we like not being forced to get all the zd corpses. It felt nice and cool. As will feel the new block shape system. LBD,Spam crafting and Zd corpses were, in my opinion, the BEST removals in this game hands down. Now, I have doubts about brass with 5+ players..... and day length. Playing with 60 min days feels pushy now, imagine with a21 . When more content is in, a longer night with longer days by default would be awesome. I mean, you wouldn't want to be talking to a wasteland merchant on day 7 and be rekt while the poor merchant tells you about his kidnapped cannibal daughter right? Some tier 5 quests with full double exploring and wrenching take up to 5 days to do. Crazy, right?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 @Modmale Any progress on bridges in RWG? This would be amazing if you could pull it off, no biggie though if there are more important things to do. I haven't seen any, and I think there would need to be some work to be shippable IMO. I'd rather we wait and get a basic stable RWG out then embellish it after all the bugs are fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hi Faatal. Loving your work so far and really enjoy reading about the updates you are doing (regardless of whether I understand them or not). I just wanted to comment and ask: currently the 'grid' the zombies follow to get to you (using A* pathfinding, if I'm not mistaken?) is very obvious as quite often the zombies don't hone directly in on you, but in a path heading towards the side of you and then turn. The grid doesn't seem to change, either, as I've noticed most zombies doing the same thing. Am I right that it's simply orientated North/South? The grid has to be drawn each time the pathfinding calculation starts, right? So is there any relatively simple way to rotate the grid so it is aligned parallel to you and the zombie? This should normally reduce the amount of squares within the calculation as well, so I'd think it would be more CPU efficient to do it this way. And if multiple zombies, instead of calculating a grid for each of them, if there is a group of zombies they can follow the same grid or the grid align somewhere between them. Better still, if the event is happening outside and the grid does a quick scan for objects, most of the time there would be only about 10 or so. So does the grid even need to be calculated in those situations? Just make a path either directly to you or, if the zombie does happen to be the other side of an object, the direct line can be one voxel to either side and then straight to you. Sounds pretty cheap on calculations to me, but I'm definitely no expert. Any merit to my train of thought? It is A* on a grid of linked nodes, but grids don't work how you think. There is one grid for each player (grids will merge if players are close to each other) and extra temp grids in certain AI spawning cases. Grids are aligned to the blocks of the world, each grid node is 1x1m and does block testing to determine the block type and what blocks are around it, so it can't be rotated or it would not match the blocks. Once a grid is created, it does not change until the player moves about 10m or a block inside the grid changes, which causes an edge or partial update. Paths are then created from the grid the path in going through, so a thousand zombies could all make a path without the grid changing. AI tend to follow the same path, because certain paths are generally going to be cheapest. The main variation is dumber AI will tend to not follow longer paths and just destroy blocks. There should be more tweaks to how it works later, but probably not A18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SG1-09 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 People wouldn’t see it as a bonus. They would complain that the bodies disappear so quickly and demand a long enough timer so that all the bodies of killed zombies could be harvested. hmmmm... Indeed this is a new kind of problems. As much we like to harvest stuff, I think it turned into an OCD bad game loop. What we have now is better, then OCD guys don't need to harvest all corpses now and finding bones is a bit more rewarding to get them from an animal kill. By harvesting and catching every loot that comes to us, we want more than we have. In the end we never use everything. We store again and again like squirrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I haven't seen any, and I think there would need to be some work to be shippable IMO. I'd rather we wait and get a basic stable RWG out then embellish it after all the bugs are fixed. Good plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Maybe the default value could be increased a little bit? Or would that really hurt the performance? Also Roland, you should really add Overhauled RWG to the OP, it's one of the main points of the upcoming Alpha and it's not even mentioned there. (Also removed tallows and new first person animations) Updated the OP but you should know that the OP is not the patch notes. Every little change like removal of tallow doesn't need to be mentioned. The full patch notes will be released a day or two before experimental if the pattern continues and people can read the minutia of this or that which were added or removed. Plus things are in flux. TFP removed something that I'm hoping they return-- and they might. So, there's no mention of that thing's removal and there may never need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Faatal: ****I have an idea spawned from the front page. For the aggressive animals, if crouch is added to their eai task they could take a stalking posture which also affects their game stealth. ****Since they have a chance to run away, can a distanced arc path be added for them, to try to get behind you. While firing at them if slightly hurt and they dont run away can a path be added to avoid scope before attack. Sort of like the avoid mouse focus on some websites for sprites. Animals crouching would require adding animations and code to play it, while not really changing game play, since I can still see it. A hurt animal is trying to get away, not get behind you, and if it did, you would just turn your head/body to track it. I find scope avoidance to be pretty cheesy. A human might jump around if he saw me aiming at them, but animals? My cat would stare right down the gun barrel without a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 like removal of tallow OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU!!! A 17 WAS WAY BETTER!!! BRING BACK TALLOW OR WE RIOT!!! WHY DO TFPs ONLY REMOVE FUN!!! THIS IS WHY I HATE THIS GAME!!! and yes. Making fun of onesself is a very important lesson that needs to be learned early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adilaris Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Thanks, yes there were too many difficult learn by doing "chore" activities we didn't want to force on people and difficulty balancing them. XP is a tried and true way to level going way back to D&D, the first RPG I played. Yeah, only recently started learning D&D in the past year (first 3.5 and lately learning 5). Getting to choose what to do with the levels is far better, even more so with multiclassing. Imagine if you could only learn to cast Fireball if you had to spend all your early sessions wasting all your magic uses casting some lame flame cantrip over and over? haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixshade35 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 So with tallow removed does this mean candles can be crafted in a different way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholyjoe Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 So with tallow removed does this mean candles can be crafted in a different way? yup... 2 simple ingredients and can craft them on your character. after you kill something for fat that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixshade35 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 yup... 2 simple ingredients and can craft them on your character. after you kill something for fat that is... Awesome to hear, simplifying it is a nice change, i like my candle lit base haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crater Creator Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 @Modmale Any progress on bridges in RWG? This would be amazing if you could pull it off, no biggie though if there are more important things to do. Yeah, I feel like most of us forgot that they showed "New RWG bridges" back in January. They're one of my most anticipated features! I haven't seen any, and I think there would need to be some work to be shippable IMO. I'd rather we wait and get a basic stable RWG out then embellish it after all the bugs are fixed. So was the above just a mockup that hasn't actually been implemented? Oh well, guess you'll just have to add ziplines to get across instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Yeah, I feel like most of us forgot that they showed "New RWG bridges" back in January. They're one of my most anticipated features! Yup me too. Always wanted to make a base on a bridge, reminds me of the fallout 3. I can wait though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Yeah, I feel like most of us forgot that they showed "New RWG bridges" back in January. They're one of my most anticipated features! So was the above just a mockup that hasn't actually been implemented? Oh well, guess you'll just have to add ziplines to get across instead... I wouldn't say it is just a mock-up. If you augment the current terrain gen to produce more water (by a lot), it will send object references, that are trying to place rwg bridges section tiles. The tiles them selves aren't really available to be placed (hence the object references) in 17.4, The map will end up building just fine, without the bridges. Anyhow, they were working on it at some point, is all I am saying. If it ends up getting into A18? <shrug> hope so. If it isn't, I hope they at least make it ,so it bypasses the need to try and place them, so the object references stop. It tends to eat up ram, when initially generating worlds, because its trying to place them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4sheetzngeegles Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Faatal: Thank you for the answer and explanation. I see your point now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixshade35 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 So I do have a question, when building a ramp up to the base, will it be looked into for driving vehicles up? Everytime i try my truck damages the blocks instead of simply driving up? is this intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Sharing containers would require a more authoritive networking solution so probably not. Not 100% sure about the campfire. Probably get rid of the grill and do some heat exchange for faster cooking or something. Its possible, even with a bad internet connection using Transactions and Record Locking requiring all clients to respond every time anyone clicks on any item in a chest. Of course, to make it better than it currently is, the server would need a large number of clients with chests that are being constantly accessed by many people. It just sounds like someone wants the dup bug back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayerGM Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I haven't seen any, and I think there would need to be some work to be shippable IMO. I'd rather we wait and get a basic stable RWG out then embellish it after all the bugs are fixed. With posts like this one, people might think that such feature is ready.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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