Mephistopheles Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'm going to refrain from interpreting this data, I'll let you all do that and discuss your interpretations if you'd like. I just thought I would share this. https://i.imgur.com/axRhXS4.png And for those who want the actual numbers in case you want to check my math, here is the data. (Rounded to the nearest week or .25 months) 0 months - A1 +4 months - A5 +5 months - A6 +6.5 months - A7 +8.5 months - A8 +12 months - A9 +15.25 months - A10 +19.5 months - A11 +22.5 months - A12 +27.75 months - A13 +31.25 months - A14 +37.5 months - A15 +46.75 months - A16 +49.75 months - A16.4 +62.75 months - (TODAY) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'd love to see this against other games. Would be fascinating to see if other developers have the same experience. Thanks for the graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingDuck Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 this graph doesn´t tell us anything. The progress per alpha is shurely not the same now than it was back in the early alphas. btw short alphas ruined the game because you allways had to start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The graph seems quite reasonable, considering that over time the amount of content, and the complexity increases steadily. Also, imagine that A17 is released within the next 2 months, and that straight line at the top would have it's right hand end bumped up a line to A17, giving a gradient that is not overly different to that of the A16 line. Also, given that it's a fairly arbitrary line where a developer decides to drop an update, and the steps from one alpha to another become less meaningfull. But lastly, I do believe they have let down their players by drawing out this alpha so long. I've stopped playing A16. Subsistence is now taking up my time, and it seems a good game so far, with a lot of similarities to 7D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopheles Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 this graph doesn´t tell us anything. The progress per alpha is shurely not the same now than it was back in the early alphas. btw short alphas ruined the game because you allways had to start over. This graph shows exactly how many months were spent between alphas, as well as cumulative time spent going from A1-AX. You're right, progress per alpha SHURELY has varied over time, and the graph tells you all of that. Perhaps you didn't take note of the labels designating what the X and Y axes represent? Really, it's all there, you just have to know how to read a simple line graph, but maybe that's expecting too much from someone who spells surely with an H? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Its normal that projects slow down implementing new features. The codebase gets more and more complex, having more interacting elements. More testing and tweaking required. Kind of the 80:20 rule... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SylenThunder Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 ... And for those who want the actual numbers in case you want to check my math, here is the data. (Rounded to the nearest week or .25 months) ... A while ago I made a chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseLostUK Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 This graph shows exactly how many months were spent between alphas, as well as cumulative time spent going from A1-AX. You're right, progress per alpha SHURELY has varied over time, and the graph tells you all of that. Perhaps you didn't take note of the labels designating what the X and Y axes represent? Really, it's all there, you just have to know how to read a simple line graph, but maybe that's expecting too much from someone who spells surely with an H? Wow, well clearly you have a motive for making this graph, so enlighten us, what is your point exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katitof Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'd love to see this against other games. Would be fascinating to see if other developers have the same experience. Thanks for the graph. That might be challenging, because all the other EA games released about the same time turned into vaporware in half the time, were released already or are made by literally 2 persons(looking at you, Project Zomboid). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 This graph shows exactly how many months were spent between alphas, as well as cumulative time spent going from A1-AX. You're right, progress per alpha SHURELY has varied over time, and the graph tells you all of that. Perhaps you didn't take note of the labels designating what the X and Y axes represent? Really, it's all there, you just have to know how to read a simple line graph, but maybe that's expecting too much from someone who spells surely with an H? If you don't mind a suggestion, you could draw a line that would show A17 if it were released next weekend, and shade the area between that line and the horizontal line that would be corrected if A17 would be released after a thousand years. That would show the possible range of this next line in the graph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarlingCows Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 This graph shows exactly how many months were spent between alphas, as well as cumulative time spent going from A1-AX. You're right, progress per alpha SHURELY has varied over time, and the graph tells you all of that. Perhaps you didn't take note of the labels designating what the X and Y axes represent? Really, it's all there, you just have to know how to read a simple line graph, but maybe that's expecting too much from someone who spells surely with an H? No, it shows just the alphas. What your assuming it that all the alphas are the same. I am 100% positive that A17 is bringing in more development than like Alpha A5 or any of the others. So it this case the graph actually shows nothing about development because the Alpha scale is not equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace312 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 How does this show development progress? This is just a graph of alpha releases. Absolutely nothing to do with development... Talk about clickbait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I think the chart is supposed to show that updates of different scope take different amounts of time. At a glance that seems to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzHawkeye Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Its normal that projects slow down implementing new features. The codebase gets more and more complex, having more interacting elements. More testing and tweaking required. Kind of the 80:20 rule... Pretty much this for me. I would have expected that as the game grew, the time between succeeding Alphas - all else being equal - would tend to EXPAND not CONTRACT. To add to that, A17 is such a content rich Alpha that it's been doubly subject to that general trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I think the chart is supposed to show that updates of different scope take different amounts of time. At a glance that seems to work out. See that's why I'd love to see how other games were developed. I wonder if there's a pattern. Maybe lots of them experience a large update about the same time. Wouldn't that be fascinating? Anyway, that graph, more than anything else, shows just how large and important this update is. Now I'm even more excited to see A17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzHawkeye Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 See that's why I'd love to see how other games were developed. I wonder if there's a pattern. Maybe lots of them experience a large update about the same time. Wouldn't that be fascinating? Anyway, that graph, more than anything else, shows just how large and important this update is. Now I'm even more excited to see A17. I would imagine, if you could assemble such a comparative graph, that it indeed WOULD show a large blip, at least for Unity games. The recent engine updates will have no doubt presented challenges for many developers making Unity-based games, indeed, some I'm specifically aware of, who've had to deal with the process of moving across their projects to the new releases of Unity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttocs Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 everyone loves a good graph not my most glamorous fap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtThompson Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 A graph of release dates only really shows a trend of releases, which is not the same as work being completed. Something like this would more likely help roughly predict the release dates, but that's about it. In order to know how much is being done between releases, we'd have to have access to their Issue/Project Tracking software (Jira, Trello, etc). THAT would show all the stories they've worked on since the last release, how difficult the work was to complete, and burn-down charts showing the rate of progress. I'm not sure The Fun Pimps would necessarily want that to be public, though. One of the issues with early-access development is that you have to get things done that aren't always presentable to the layperson. All the coding fixes could probably be summed up in a few paragraphs, but I doubt many people fully grasp the amount of work a one-sentence issue takes to fix. New graphical changes, menu updates, etc are easy to show off, but that's not always the works that needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 cool graph bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopheles Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 cool graph bro. Thanks. I wrote a song for you too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tpqGIIqJKU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 The graph basically shows that the time between alphas is getting larger over time. I'd be willing to guess this is typical the closer you get to release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliz Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This graph clearly show what a scam 7DtD is. By the curve of the graph and by measuring the tangential line anywhere on the graph its blatantly obvious that they are working on a completly different game on the side, 7DtD is just a quick cash grabber to finance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This graph clearly show what a scam 7DtD is. By the curve of the graph and by measuring the tangential line anywhere on the graph its blatantly obvious that they are working on a completly different game on the side, 7DtD is just a quick cash grabber to finance it. Yes, if you look closely, you can see the infrared line that shows progress on the other game. Smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Thanks. I wrote a song for you too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tpqGIIqJKU I was expecting Mister Mistoffelees from Cats and left disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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