pApA^LeGBa Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) @Roland I guess it´s magic that you aren´t able to get water from a lake. Would fit with other "quirky" features like the invisible magic barrier for sleepers, where you can fully blast with your M60 plus using grenades 5m away from them and they don´t react, but if you approach them from the opposite direction they can hear you sneaking from 20m away. Yeah, all the things that could have been solved feeling way less artifical and more natural really do make the game unique, i gotta give you that. Edited January 13, 2023 by Crater Creator D4 meta-forum commentary (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said: @Roland I guess it´s magic that you aren´t able to get water from a lake. Would fit with other "quirky" features like the invisible magic barrier for sleepers, where you can fully blast with your M60 plus using grenades 5m away from them and they don´t react, but if you approach them from the opposite direction they can hear you sneaking from 20m away. Yeah, all the things that could have been solved feeling way less artifical and more natural really do make the game unique, i gotta give you that. Unfortunately, a limitation of the sleeper system and managing multiple entities in a seamless open world multiplayer environment with no loading screens. Not a simple task mind you. Perhaps there is a better way out there, but would need to be evaluated for the next game. Edited January 12, 2023 by Laz Man (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Someone missed me? there was talk about crafting i see 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, Matt115 said: Someone missed me? there was talk about crafting i see Missed you? I thought you were the skeleton lying in the corner over there. That's not you? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crater Creator Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Roland said: Now see? I'm already somewhat out of the loop. I don't know whether "Next alpha" means A21 or A22. I suspect A22 but I could be wrong. The team is working on all sorts of things some of which will make A21 and some of which will come in A22 and as far as I know the new outfit system was coming in A22 with bandits. The tweet isn't super clear with no numbers mentioned. To the players the next alpha is still A21 but to many of the developers the next alpha is A22 because they are already testing A21... Maybe @Crater Creator will update the first page with this announcement so we know! I can confirm "the next Alpha" here is referring to Alpha 22. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 7:05 PM, armidil0 said: Thanks for the reply. 🙂 I'm glad you can still hit the doors. I like to help the zombies break them if they're taking too long with it. I wonder if a dog or crawler/jumping zombie can hit you back through it since they're at waist level too. And when bandits get added I hope they can also hit and shoot through it. Holes should go both ways. 😅 Also, yes. They go both ways. Zds can hit you through the holes because the new 3d assets (in this case doors, hatches) were designed to be hollow in those specific spots either upon taking damage or by design ( i.e. in some POIs with "already broken" doors). There's a bunch of little things coming this alpha that will make us blush. Dew Collector, ew. Parking tickets (TBA). And Snowdog's favourite.... ah, yes: Spears through doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 hours ago, meganoth said: I don't think gear (aka weapons or armor) is a problem at all. A miner/builder type single player can make money too and with money can simply buy weapons and armor at the trader and make ammo himself. His only problems are workstations and food/seed magazines. It remains to be seen whether this strategy will still work in A21 after the trader rebalance. It is already known that the secret stash was removed with the goal of strengthening crafting. And according to the developers, what you can buy from the trader should only be a little better than what you can craft. Whether they attempted to achieve this through balancing or whether the game queries your current crafting skills when it creates the trader inventory is unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) I am beginning to realize what's the hold up for a21. Character creator system and the first version of the clothing/armor system have just been somehow confirmed for this alpha on the official twitter page. That is a huge amount of work, and I instantly became excited for the upcoming release. Now let's see how much of the clothing system they can squeeze in before release. For those who got distracted by the coolness of the animation shown, know that the hat, the gloves and the boots are a match for the farmer outfit designed by madmole. The underpants are of unknown origin, but taking a guess... Padded leg armor? Edit: Leather leg armour?, Zd-lover outfit? Idk, that dubious fabric can be just about anything. Edited January 13, 2023 by Blake_ (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blake_ said: I am beginning to realize what's the hold up for a21. Character creator system and the first version of the clothing/armor system have just been somehow confirmed for this alpha on the official twitter page. Not for A21. @Crater Creator has confirmed that MadMole meant A22 when he referred to the next Alpha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, RipClaw said: Not for A21. @Crater Creator has confirmed that MadMole meant A22 when he referred to the next Alpha. I see. That is more realistic. Thanks for the info, I didn't read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkPloyd Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Laz Man said: Unfortunately, a limitation of the sleeper system and managing multiple entities in a seamless open world multiplayer environment with no loading screens. Not a simple task mind you. Perhaps there is a better way out there, but would need to be evaluated for the next game. Like many software performance issues it will be solved by moar hardware... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, RipClaw said: It remains to be seen whether this strategy will still work in A21 after the trader rebalance. It is already known that the secret stash was removed with the goal of strengthening crafting. And according to the developers, what you can buy from the trader should only be a little better than what you can craft. Whether they attempted to achieve this through balancing or whether the game queries your current crafting skills when it creates the trader inventory is unknown. I think they said "trader only a little better than what you can find" (?). And that sounds a lot more like the usual way. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to look at your gamestage to balance the trader with looting? EDIT: I see that the first page says "Trader inventories rebalanced with the new crafting progression" which might give this impression of crafting influencing trader stock. But this has lots of possible meanings. For example with crafting having a smoother progression and a lot more opportunities to craft weapons I would assume the trader would have a lot less weapons available but a lot more weapon parts. I am not sure, but I think in A20 the trader usually has absolutely no weapon parts. That can't work anymore. And that is the rebalance they are probably speaking of. Edited January 13, 2023 by meganoth (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pApA^LeGBa Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Laz Man said: Unfortunately, a limitation of the sleeper system and managing multiple entities in a seamless open world multiplayer environment with no loading screens. Not a simple task mind you. Perhaps there is a better way out there, but would need to be evaluated for the next game. Well it´s not too late to change the dark magic that makes jars dissappear after drinking and somehow makes them non existent at all in an empty state. That´s way easier to solve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, meganoth said: I think they said "trader only a little better than what you can find" (?). And that sounds a lot more like the usual way. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to look at your gamestage to balance the trader with looting? Is probably easier. Then I assume that they have balanced it so that with a certain play style what you find, what you can make and what you can buy are close to each other. It's not possible to balance that for all playstyles and I don't think anyone expects that. 3 hours ago, meganoth said: EDIT: I see that the first page says "Trader inventories rebalanced with the new crafting progression" which might give this impression of crafting influencing trader stock. But this has lots of possible meanings. For example with crafting having a smoother progression and a lot more opportunities to craft weapons I would assume the trader would have a lot less weapons available but a lot more weapon parts. I am not sure, but I think in A20 the trader usually has absolutely no weapon parts. That can't work anymore. And that is the rebalance they are probably speaking of. Doesn't really bother me if the trader has parts rather than weapons and tools. I mostly buy weapons and armor only to get the parts. I prefer to craft my equipment rather than buy it. Edited January 13, 2023 by RipClaw (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, pApA^LeGBa said: Well it´s not too late to change the dark magic that makes jars dissappear after drinking and somehow makes them non existent at all in an empty state. That´s way easier to solve. It’s not too late. It’s too early. Nobody in the community has played it yet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomofman Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Roland said: It’s not too late. It’s too early. Nobody in the community has played it yet. Well I mean there's an easy way to rectify that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, pApA^LeGBa said: Well it´s not too late to change the dark magic that makes jars dissappear after drinking and somehow makes them non existent at all in an empty state. That´s way easier to solve. There is no dark magic that makes jars dissappear. There simply are no jars in the game at all. Containers for liquid are implied as being there but not simulated just like your digestive system and your bladder, the car keys or whatever else is used for locking, the scaffolding, a flintstone, the hammer and chisel and screwdrivers, wooden spoons for cooking, ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Roland said: Missed you? I thought you were the skeleton lying in the corner over there. That's not you? not yet 😉 Well new player model looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pApA^LeGBa Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, meganoth said: There is no dark magic that makes jars dissappear. There simply are no jars in the game at all. Containers for liquid are implied as being there but not simulated just like your digestive system and your bladder, the car keys or whatever else is used for locking, the scaffolding, a flintstone, the hammer and chisel and screwdrivers, wooden spoons for cooking, ... So the red tea is just flaoting around in our inventory not inside any container? That´s what it is supposed to be? And before you gotta ask, yes i personally think pots and bowls for eating should be a thing aswell. But you gotta draw a line somewhere and that´s the case with food, i know that most people don´t want it to go all the way here. There are things where it is neccessary to "hide" them so the gameplay doesn´t become to complicated, like bladder, all the different tools actually needed instead of just a hammer and there is things where it isn´t necessary to hide them, especially in a survival game, like containers for liquids and not beeing able to utliize water sources. Rather make the process more complicated and/or timeconsuming to convert it into drinkable water. Would be reasonable after the apocalypse, there could be really bad stuff contaminating the water that´s not just solved with boiling it. That would not only be more reasaonable but also add to the lore/story. And you would still need the extra crafting station with parts that could be rare that aren´t that unreasonable to be not craftable like it is with the filter. @Roland I don´t need to play it to know that there would have been better solutions that are way more relatable than dissapearing jars. Edited January 13, 2023 by pApA^LeGBa (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, pApA^LeGBa said: @Roland I don´t need to play it to know that there would have been better solutions that are way more relatable than dissapearing jars. That wasn't my point. I'm sure you are fully aware of what you like and dislike. My point was that TFP isn't going to go back on their design before the community tests it. Welcome to early access. We've been here 9 years already... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomofman Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Roland said: Welcome to early access. We've been here 9 years already... You can check out any time you like But you can never leave 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 Its those dang mirrors on the ceiling! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, pApA^LeGBa said: So the red tea is just flaoting around in our inventory not inside any container? 2 hours ago, meganoth said: Containers for liquid are implied as being there but not simulated Seems that your question was already answered in the post you quoted and it seems very clear. "They are implied". Not "drinks are floating in nothing". Seems you just want to argue even if you are given a clear answer already. Glass jars are unnecessary no matter how they do things. You seem fine that other containers aren't in the game from your own post, so there is no reason why glass jars should be different. Yes, not being able to take water from a river or lake back to your base is a strange design choice, but it is clear why they decided to do that... To make water less abundant. Sure, there are better ways to handle this and I think they could have chosen one of those instead. I'm not sold on this dew collector idea or how they are limiting water or even that the limitation will really matter, but I think that there is no way to know how well (or bad) it will work until we try it. It is just assumption until then. Am I a fan of the change? Other than that I approve removing empty glass bottles as they are annoying and pointless, not really. But that doesn't mean I won't decide it is good after trying it out. And it doesn't mean I'm going on long rants about how the choices made by the developers are bad without first trying them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 22 hours ago, BFT2020 said: I mod my game so that all tools, weapons, and armor are not repairable. So crafting is a must if you want to keep using gear and survive. This is good survival, realistic and is late game boredom, resistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Aldranon said: This is good survival, realistic and is late game boredom, resistant. i just think it should be harder to fix, like weapon/armor parts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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