beerfly Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Are they planning on making it so Alpha 17 comes out sooner than Alpha 16th. Noone wants to work on a client`s project and the client stays a meter behind or around him and keeps asking when the job is done. Keep pimps do their job. They show what we need to see. Nothing more, nothing less. Welcome to the world of game developement ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcsobral Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Noone wants to work on a client`s project and the client stays a meter behind or around him and keeps asking when the job is done. Keep pimps do their job. They show what we need to see. Nothing more, nothing less. Welcome to the world of game developement ! You young people have no idea what drawn out game development is. Three words: Duke Nukem Forever. That's a baseline to compare against! DNF: announced in 1997, playable in 2011. 7D2D: kickstarter in 2013, playable in 2013. 7D2D: the game is great even though it isn't finished. DNF: the game sucks even though it is finished. DNF: No information whatsoever about anything in the game. 7D2D: So much information people keep complaining all the time about what they are being told. Now, one might say I'm being unreasonable in picking DNF as the baseline, as it is surely the worst case scenario. Not so! More than half of the games I funded through Kickstarter have never been completed! Some of them flat out went broke, while others are languishing in limbo, with a few developers working on it long after the fund has expired. I'm not just talking about far fetched projects either! Some, yes, I funded without much expectation of them succeeding, just on the off chance. One of the best games I've played was Jon Shaffer's At The Gates, and that one is firmly stuck in limbo. Some were successfully released and fell flat, such as Jagged Alliance: Flashback. And some went on to be big hits, just as I expect 7D2D to be (not that I backed it), though I can't recall any that stuck to its original timeline or budget. And even big studios will often cancel projects, so DNF was by no means the worst that can happen. And that's not because game developers suck either. The physical projects I've backed don't seem to have any greater margin of success. So take it as you will, but unless you want to be pissed off because you want to be pissed off, I suggest you rethink your expectations. And, no, beerfly, that wasn't directed at you (at all!). I just hijacked your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I get banned for talking about addressing bugs in a bug report forum, for speculating when thats all that can be done, and yet Roland gets to post crap like 'juarez's whores horse' and now people are talking nonsense about unicycles and pics of Duke Nukem and that is fine? What disgusting double standards there are here. I would like to point out something someone else said on here which was a legitimate question, why aren't vehicles listed (4 wheel)? MadMole did NOT say vines were in, but *maybe* in the future, but he DID say the 4 wheel vehicles were in. So why the hell are vines and trellises listed as A17 features? Even getting rid of the vehicles from the discussion isn't it yet more going back on their (Dev/Rolands) words not to post things that aren't definitely in the game? Yet that's exactly what's happened - including things for the A17 build that thusfar are nothing but a *maybe* - just wtf is that? Also, I would like to point out the sly wording used in the new exp bar. That is a useless addition, experience bar? Why? Doesn't that clutter up the screen with additional useless information? Ah, well thats why the described it as an 'ultra thin' bar. Why? Becuase they dont want to seem like hypocrites (which they are) arguing hunger and thirst or maps on screen is clutter, yet they add an exp bar which is completely useless. It may show you how close you are to levelling, but whyhave it at all when reducing clutter is already something theyve done by having the level up as a pop up (which is actually a good thing by the way.) Having an experience bar doesnt tell you how many points you have, its only a general experience meter and doesnt tell you how much youve advanced in individual skills (mining tools, construction etc). Useless. I'll wait for the usual complaints. And by the way Roland, instead of banning me to avoid conversation, try talking with me as a person and lets have some positive dialogue. Welcome Back? Bon Voyage? Both seem to apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 And some went on to be big hits, just as I expect 7D2D to be (not that I backed it) Early Access is every bit as much of a crowd funding scheme as Kickstarter. You may not be an original backer but you are a backer. Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Early Access is every bit as much of a crowd funding scheme as Kickstarter. You may not be an original backer but you are a backer. Thank you very much. I can recall a particular scene from Casino with Joe Pesci and his conversation with a banker. It cant be posted here but hopefully someone knows it. I picture Roland being Joe Pesci in this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonestarcanuck Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 The short answer is that in a server-client model there's always a delay between performing an action and the rest of the network being synchronized with that change. This delay is caused by having to send the data about the change from the player who performed the action to the server and then on to the rest of the connected clients. When running the game locally, even as a MP server, this synchronization is unnecessary. So why not just ignore the sync and always trust the server? when I worked on a MMO a few year back the server was always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfbain5 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 man I can't wait for mod support, I so want Dresden's coat and hat from the Jim Butcher novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhlmaster Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I think it would add a nice bit of realism if there was a POI that is truly a horders house. Have players literally chop through all the stuff with risk of uncovering sleepers and or loot. Yes! And make sure the SI of the junk stacks is questionable. Break through the wrong block and everything comes down on your head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgriffin1217 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I like the new house layouts, but makes you wonder why there is so much junk in each house. Surely one of those houses was owned by an ocd person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Off topic content has been tolerated historically in the dev diary threads for as long as I've been here. That doesn't mean they're unmoderated, or that other rules don't apply. Roland's elected to use his discretion this time, which is the only reason you've been allowed to discuss moderator action here. The rules are developed to promote the health and decorum of the community as it continues to grow and evolve. Personally, I think the rules largely derive from common sense. Here's one section worth re-reading. But what about my free speech? Or that I paid for the game and get to do whatever I want? /stirring the pot since 1971 ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 But what about my free speech? Or that I paid for the game and get to do whatever I want? No idea how free speech is in america defined. In German law the whole paragraph is only meaned for one thing "The right to speak free about and against Government" * Its only applied on public places and your own. It affect zero your rights on foreign Ground (This include Forums of others) * It countains NOT the right to harass, lie, insult, ... --------------- Buy something for the price of a meal, behave as you have buyed a Airbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhlmaster Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 No idea how free speech is in america defined. In German law the whole paragraph is only meaned for one thing "The right to speak free about and against Government" * Its only applied on public places and your own. It affect zero your rights on foreign Ground (This include Forums of others) * It countains NOT the right to harass, lie, insult, ... --------------- Buy something for the price of a meal, behave as you have buyed a Airbus. Pretty much works the same in the states. It does not protect you from forum moderators or social repurcussions. You can lose your job by exercising your free speech. You just can't be arrested for what you say, unless you are directly threatening the safety of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBane Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Would really love to see items be sorted by type rather than just name. Also does the rifle perk or pistol perk improve MP5 performance? Not mentioned in perk descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedJoe Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Why are you getting rid of the Behemoth And Ziplines for Will atleast one of them possibly ever come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Are they planning on making it so Alpha 17 comes out sooner than Alpha 16th. Unless we enter a temporal rift I'm pretty sure A17 will be released later than A16 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdogg Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Ive watched this topic for awhile now and like seeing people from all over this planet add to the subject so that the pimps can see we actually give a sh*t about the game enuff to comment. Some comments are supportive.....some are not. A few ive seen are just down right worthy of a punch in the nutsack and being banned. For the most part, this games community is something i am proud of being a part of. +1 to Roland for doing what he had to do with one certain person. Also +1 to forum members Like Guppycur and Royal Deluxe as they call it how they see it and havent degenerated into problems that need to be solved but DO bring honest balance by being who they are. +1 support to quests and factions in game. +1 to the mountain bike and Hog. (ive had endless trouble with mini-bikes, i grow to despize it) +1 to housing changes. +1 to possible official sanctioned Mod support items thrown around like the Behemoth addition and ziplines? no thanks.....Id prefer the pimps do what they really want to do and stay focused on quality not quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicketness Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 bets are on i say A17 by next summer and 16.5 by February they are slow very slow but at least even after all these years they keep at it gotta respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace312 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 No idea how free speech is in america defined. In German law the whole paragraph is only meaned for one thing "The right to speak free about and against Government" * Its only applied on public places and your own. It affect zero your rights on foreign Ground (This include Forums of others) * It countains NOT the right to harass, lie, insult, ... --------------- Buy something for the price of a meal, behave as you have buyed a Airbus. Not entirely true Royal... In Germany (like in Denmark), free speech means just that... Free... You can say what ever you want, when ever you want, TO who ever you want! That is the definition. BUT if you go around deliberately hurting people with your words, or drive a hetz against someone (famous or other), we have laws to deal with that. (the law of: you shall not slander) (yeah, it doesn't translate well into english)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stallionsden Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 bets are on i say A17 by next summer and 16.5 by February they are slow very slow but at least even after all these years they keep at it gotta respect that. Lol @ slow. No issue with them taking several months to get the stuff they need to get in to make this game closer to gold. The longer it takes the more goodies we have to play with when it is released. One obviously isn't a developer or understands the process or understands tfps process. Sooner = lots of bugs, less stuff and tonnes of complainers. Longer = Less bugs more stuff and less complainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Are we there yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnsu Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 bets are on i say A17 by next summer and 16.5 by February they are slow very slow but at least even after all these years they keep at it gotta respect that. Somehow I think you need to take your adderall and enjoy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Did they take out the Santa Clause hat? Haven't seen it in a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalex Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Did they take out the Santa Clause hat? Haven't seen it in a while... Pretty sure it was taken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Blue Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I like the new house layouts, but makes you wonder why there is so much junk in each house. Surely one of those houses was owned by an ocd person. HEY! I represent that remark. (Isn't everyone preparing for the inevitable Zombiepocalypse?) (It's the ONLY reason I 'play' 7D2D - survival training simulator...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Blue Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 No idea how free speech is in america defined. In German law the whole paragraph is only meaned for one thing "The right to speak free about and against Government" * Its only applied on public places and your own. It affect zero your rights on foreign Ground (This include Forums of others) * It countains NOT the right to harass, lie, insult, ... --------------- Buy something for the price of a meal, behave as you have buyed a Airbus. (RD: I'm fairly certain Guppy was being a LITTLE sarcastic/flippant/devil's (or zombie...) advocatish...) (Especially if you've been around long enough to have 'experienced' any of Guppy's previous posts...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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