Alpha 21 Discussion Overflow

[Telly G]

2 hours ago, Beelzebubs Ghost said:

 

more cars

you'd like that huge vehicle pack mod 

[Roland]

2 hours ago, RipClaw said:

Are vehicle mods actually planned that change the appearance of the vehicle as is sometimes the case with the weapon mods ?

 

 

I'm not sure. faatal would know.

[Callum123456789]

4 hours ago, Roland said:

Yes!! The game has its full complement of vehicles. The possibility of a raft is pretty good since they already have the model for it and now the new water simulation is in. The possibility of a helicopter is more remote. 
 

But, truthfully, the developers are willing and indeed planning to ship this game with the vehicles we have right now.
 

100%

what about a mobility scooter for big momma? she needs some love haha

[sillls]

On 6/20/2022 at 3:18 AM, Diragor said:

I like how farming is. just spend 3 points into Lotl and get at least 5 plants growing. Thats not very hard getting 3 points into it

I saw level three after my post. Looks as if I can have as many as six plants per harvest.  I have not tried that yet. But if it works it will still be a good deal. 

[BFT2020]

12 minutes ago, sillls said:

I saw level three after my post. Looks as if I can have as many as six plants per harvest.  I have not tried that yet. But if it works it will still be a good deal. 

 

minimum of 6 plants per harvest, a max of 7 is possible

 

LoTL Level 3 gives you:

• guaranteed 6 plants each harvest
• 50% chance to grab an additional one (7 total)

[KhaineGB]

1 minute ago, Matt115 said:

Well everything is good except this  crest on helmet.

For when you want to cosplay as a roman centurion

[Matt115]

2 minutes ago, KhaineGB said:

For when you want to cosplay as a roman centurion

Hm... well this one could be in FNV for sure. Well

Wait a sec...

Damn this looks like  warhammer 40K iron warriors MK3

[sillls]

I found this funny bug. Well I think it's a bug. 

I put in a cellar door. If I open it and leave and come back the door will be closed. But if you open it will open and then slam shut. As if to say:

 

  Sure I will open for you- Just kidding! lol  

 

Has anyone else seen this? 

[Jost Amman]

5 minutes ago, sillls said:

I found this funny bug. Well I think it's a bug. 

I put in a cellar door. If I open it and leave and come back the door will be closed. But if you open it will open and then slam shut. As if to say:

 

  Sure I will open for you- Just kidding! lol  

 

Has anyone else seen this? 

Known bug. Weird, I thought they already fixed it...

[Fanatical_Meat]

1 hour ago, Matt115 said:

Well everything is good except this  crest on helmet.

So... this is...

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Acceptable 

Good summary, not bad looking but nothing exciting either. 

[Games'n'Grumble]

Hi @Roland! We have already seen Iron Man (economy edition 😅) - when will we see a few words about it in the general list of changes? 

[ElDudorino]

I popped over here to see if people were talking about the iron armor. It seems pretty unpopular over on the Steam forum.

 

Personally I don't "get" the design... Like why does the helmet have a handle, why does the gauntlet have a bunch of rebar pegs on it (impractical for zombie combat and would get caught on everything), and how would you actually put on, let alone move in, this armor? The design seems pretty out there. Plus, since it's a set, couldn't a little bit of effort have gone into making the pieces look like they fit together? Seems like the survivor just grabbed the first metal bits he found lying nearby. 

 

Also, they call this "iron"... Will there still be a steel tier above that? Because this is already 500lbs and has ridiculous coverage, so where can you possibly go from there? 

 

The existing iron armor design is a bit wacky as well and I don't spend much time looking at it so it's not a change that will negatively impact my play experience but at the same time it doesn't really seem like an improvement. 

 

[beerfly]

On 6/22/2022 at 12:42 AM, KhaineGB said:

For when you want to cosplay as a roman centurion

And we can name him: 

Spoiler

 

 

[Fanatical_Meat]

2 hours ago, beerfly said:

Love it, but why don`t they show its back, is his butt naked ? 

 

If it were ass-less chaps style armor I’d love it, as shown it is okay in my opinion 

[SnowDog1942]

13 hours ago, beerfly said:

Love it, but why don`t they show its back, is his butt naked ? 

 

If so im going to wear it backwards.

[Fanatical_Meat]

37 minutes ago, SnowDog1942 said:

If so im going to wear it backwards.

This game needs Ass-less Chaps.

@madmole get someone working on ass-less chaps 

[Lord Morphleyes]

@George Gordon Your post was a wonderfully paradoxical blend of uninformed rush to judgment and patient, yet eager, optimism.  I look forward to reading your conclusion after you have played the new 'learn by looting' system.  Please tag me in it so I don't miss it.  

[sillls]

I am wondering if TFP's have changed their minds about adding followers to the game.

 

The last time we talked. Madmole did not like the idea because he didn't think that followers could path there way though player dug mines, POI's and rough terrain. 

However now that I have seen the Drone in action. I could see that pathing is no longer an issue. As the Drone can pass though solid objects and won't get hung up. 

So I was thinking that the bipedal Follower could work now. Maybe make it so the follower could pass though and or over stuff that has got them hung up. Perhaps even adding a quadrupedal like a dog as well. 

These followers would be a good fit and go better with the game imho. 

 

Keep the Drone, add the followers please. 

[saltychipmunk]

5 hours ago, Uncle Al said:

Interesting we're getting new models that follow the existing armour tiers.  The 'class specific' armours model has obviously had a rethink, as I doubt resources would be spent on an iron armour model if iron armour itself was getting binned next alpha.  

 

That said, the new iron armour does not look like it's designed to layer with clothing at all.  Was it designed with the proposed 'only four wearable slots' model in mind?

 

Why mess with a classic look. I would also not at all be surprised if they port all of the existing armor types over as a starting point for the new system to cover the basics with more specialized outfits rolling out at a later time. 

 

Makes sense on many levels. The sets are established so having them available would reduce player confusion since most already know what each armor set does. 

They broadly cover the main tiers  of defense too.

[jorbascrumps]

34 minutes ago, sillls said:

I am wondering if TFP's have changed their minds about adding followers to the game.

 

The last time we talked. Madmole did not like the idea because he didn't think that followers could path there way though player dug mines, POI's and rough terrain. 

However now that I have seen the Drone in action. I could see that pathing is no longer an issue. As the Drone can pass though solid objects and won't get hung up. 

So I was thinking that the bipedal Follower could work now. Maybe make it so the follower could pass though and or over stuff that has got them hung up. Perhaps even adding a quadrupedal like a dog as well. 

These followers would be a good fit and go better with the game imho. 

 

Keep the Drone, add the followers please. 

 

TFP won't add followers. What value does it add over the drone?  Is the added complexity worth it while they're trying to sprint towards gold? Probably not.

[Roland]

2 hours ago, George Gordon said:

Surely, when designing the "Loot to Learn" system, TFP realizes the current state of the abysmally bad loot system where finding Books, and especially certain books, is a task of impossibility?

 

They have realized it in regards to the skill magazines which is why the probabilities for the skill magazines are affected by the perks. When you activate a related perk your chances of finding that magazine you would need to complement your perk goes up making it so that it is not an impossibility to finding what you need.

 

Furthermore, the change is purely for crafting. Many of the things you can craft you can also find in loot or can purchase from the trader. So even if you are unable to craft something until you find enough magazines, you are not completely blocked from those items.

 

Your concern is understandable but it is based on your experience with A20 and before. Further development of the loot tables and probabilities to support the changes in A21 have taken place that you have not experienced so you should definitely play it before worrying too much.

 

2 hours ago, George Gordon said:

All the changes done so far have been attempts to stretch the games "interesting period", that comes before most players fall into a bottomless pit of boredom, because they have seen everything, and the game wears off.

 

I'll just point out that the game's "interesting period" hasn't been finalized yet. It was a mistake for you to accept Alpha 18 or Alpha 19 or Alpha 20 as THE way the game was supposed to play. Those were simply iterations along the path to what will eventually be the final version which may have a longer or shorter "interesting period" than what we have now or in A21. You are playing a game in the midst of development and updates are iterations. You are not playing a finished game and the updates are DLCs.

 

2 hours ago, George Gordon said:

And if everything fails, modding is an option, but a sad option, as it is a sign of the desperation of the players trying to make the game the way it should be.

 

Modding is not a sad option. It is an exciting option. Your second mistake, here, is assuming that everyone in the world likes to play the same way you do and so when you use a mod to make the game more enjoyable to you, you think it is making it more enjoyable for everyone. The game is the way it should be for the game designers and plenty of folks will enjoy it the way they make it. If you feel the game should be another way, that is perfectly fine and thank goodness mods are available but that is just for you.

[sillls]

21 minutes ago, jorbascrumps said:

 

TFP won't add followers. What value does it add over the drone?  Is the added complexity worth it while they're trying to sprint towards gold? Probably not.

First of all I did not say over the drone. I said keep the Drone but add followers. 

Secondly adding to the complexity is minimal now that they have the script for the Drone. 

Finally will it help it go to Gold? No but neither is adding a Drone. 

[jorbascrumps]

11 minutes ago, sillls said:

First of all I did not say over the drone. I said keep the Drone but add followers. 

Secondly adding to the complexity is minimal now that they have the script for the Drone. 

Finally will it help it go to Gold? No but neither is adding a Drone. 

 

By "over the drone" I meant what would followers add that the drone doesn't do already? Arguably you would expect a follower to be more useful than a drone, being more than a glorified portable storage chest. If there is no expectation of such then again I ask what is the point? Is there only one follower model with everyone running around with the same one? Are they customizable? Do they wear armour? Have skills?

 

The complexity is in no way minimal. The animations alone would be a large undertaking. The drone is able to hover along the terrain with no expectations of it looking natural. If a follower were to teleport around like the drone it would be completely immersion breaking and just look broken. There is a certain level of acceptable suspension of disbelief that comes with the drone not being humanoid.

 

The drone has been in development for, what, at least 2 years now? I'm sure it was a concept living in someone's head before that as well. Now let's say that drone tech can be reused for followers, maybe the timeline is halved? That's pretty generous. I can't see TFP investing a year into something that's not bandits, The Duke, a story, or general polish from here on out. I don't want to sound like a party pooper but I'm fairly certain we can expect to not see any new major features that the devs have not already discussed or promised in the KS goals.

[Roland]

5 minutes ago, jorbascrumps said:

The drone has been in development for, what, at least 2 years now? I'm sure it was a concept living in someone's head before that as well. Now let's say that drone tech can be reused for followers, maybe the timeline is halved?

 

Let's be optimistic and speculate that the Drone in 7 Days to Die may lead to development of Followers in the next game.

[jorbascrumps]

Just now, Roland said:

Let's be optimistic and speculate that the Drone in 7 Days to Die may lead to development of Followers in the next game.

 

Always the beacon of positivity! That's a great way to look at it.