Adam the Waster Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I played as a female character with a rather large.. uh.. personality? So that balances things, no? ^-^ amount of Cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I played as a female character with a rather large.. uh.. personality? So that balances things, no? ^-^ You made me remember this song Boobs aren't funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 So are cheese ramps on horde night, but do you use those? Have some self respect and face infection head on. On my recent night mare run speed game in the beginning all zombies were nightmare. The first 3 days were hell and I spent all my time looking for honey and it was a huge game changer in a positive way. Like it was hard and frustrating, but suddenly I couldn't do dig quests because 5 nightmare guys was too much. So I had to search for ruins houses and use my crappy junk turret and whatever, I couldn't even do entry level quests so my whole game has been very hard. After day 3 I put them on jog during the day, sprint and night and nightmare for the other two. I'm nearing day 35 and still don't feel fully recovered for whatever reasons. Like I'm permanently behind the curve for some reason. I tried to smash a tier 4 skyscraper last night and couldn't even nerd pole up the side they broke my nerd pole and surrounded me, used my limited m60 ammo and crawled to my minibike and drove away with like 10 debuffs and 5% health, after several failed attempts. The nightmare run speed ferals are a huge game changer for me. My old fort build would just fist everything and out tank, but for whatever reason this game is cursed and my character is always struggling lol. Skyscraper? Weren't those removed in RWG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezed Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Weapons drop equally but since there are loads of agility weapons they are rarer. There are two automatic weapons, 4 ranged agility weapons, so statistically you will have a harder time getting exactly what you want. IMO the stealth guy may take longer to clear a POI, but he doesn't take damage, he can do a ton of damage with stealth shots using the cheapest ammo in the game so it balances out fine. My agility character always had loads of ammo for horde nights, where my fortitude builds seem to spend a ton of time mining for ammo. At night I would roam around and head shot everyone for xp with one shot usually from my maxed out pistol. Even if you wake someone up just empty a mag into them and its all good. 9mm ammo grows on trees and is SO cheap to craft. Exploding arrows are nice for hordes. Some builds just take longer to get off the ground is all, but the payoff is worth it IMO. Speaking of drop rates...I would be very, very, happy to trade any of my firearms for a simple bicycle. IMO, fully assembled bicycles should appear in loot with greater frequency. Besides Pass'nGas crates and traders, I never see them. Really, they can be found almost anywhere IRL. So perhaps more chance to spawn in cars or those unmarked wooden crates or maybe best in workbenches since they are common in garages. Just be nice to be thrown a bit of a bone for early game transportation. Nerf the storage if you have to. Also, and maybe oddly, I found myself needing a sewing kit and noticed I couldn't craft one. Could that be possible? Maybe 1 scrap iron and 1 cloth fragment? Game's playing great. I've ran through to level 40-50'ish on 5 different starts and just started my 6th. This Alpha really has a 'coming together' vibe to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Skyscraper? Weren't those removed in RWG? They better not be i love those! i make gauntlets for the zeds and once a made a small town on a skyscraper (the only person who lived there was me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hek Harris Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I agree 100 percent with this philosophy. The only thing i dont see eye to eye with is the death penalty. Its way too lenient. When i get an infection now I never look for a cure, i just die. Go get my stuff (which is usually right where my bed is since i seek death out) and then take the xp hit. Its literally 4 zombies to kill then you are back in blue. No one can argue that there is any real penalty. It slows you down for maybe 4 minutes if even that. Certainly do not want the old way back either, i hated the perk hit for sure, and stamina was no fun to wait on either, but the current death penalty is a minor inconvenience and I doubt anyone is in stage 3 of infection or food poisoning and waiting it out for a cure. Its a waste of time. Suicide, respawn, kill a few zeds and you're as good as new. I agree, death penalty is a mosquito bite (well, without malaria). But to be honnest, there IS a real death penalty in the settings : "destroy all" (backpack+belt) when you die. But strangely, it's a parameter rarely used by players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 You made me remember this song Boobs aren't funny. Hihihihihihi you said a naughty word!! But i build something special for you and your brother in your home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I agree, death penalty is a mosquito bite (well, without malaria). But to be honnest, there IS a real death penalty in the settings : "destroy all" (backpack+belt) when you die. But strangely, it's a parameter rarely used by players. i just think it could be good if they mixed the two. you lose stats temporarily. but you lose XP and to get your stats back you need to get your XP back also i would make it 25% lost XP insead of 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 i just think it could be good if they mixed the two. you lose stats temporarily. but you lose XP and to get your stats back you need to get your XP back They'll never go with stats removal because something like that can lead to a death loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryZombie Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Just be nice to be thrown a bit of a bone for early game transportation. Nerf the storage if you have to. Don't forget the Jacket & Running shoes. They make do for early game transportation. Practically as good as a bicycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 They'll never go with stats removal because something like that can lead to a death loop. im talking about the old system from A17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 im talking about the old system from A17 Isn't the possibility of a death loop one of the reasons for abandoning that system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezed Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Don't forget the Jacket & Running shoes. They make do for early game transportation. Practically as good as a bicycle. I'm aware of the benefits of those...but they (especially the shoes) are fairly rare. They should be rare given their buffs. The bicycles by comparison (at least in my experiences so far) are even harder to come by. You need the perk or find/buy two schematics. Then find or craft two wheels, the frame and the handlebars. That's a lot of bother for something just a tick better than buffed shoes and jacket. Think of it this way...if I was to go into 10 garages on my street, I'd very likely find at least 5 bicycles...but zero magic shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Think of it this way...if I was to go into 10 garages on my street, I'd very likely find at least 5 bicycles...but zero magic shoes If I were to go into 10 garages on my street, I'd best be already wearing some magic shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 People were suicide farming 100s of blood bags, so there was a buff that was added on death, that TFP didn't approve of, death should clear all buffs for consistency. Without that inconsistency they could farm all the blood bags they want for a one time maximum loss of 50% xp. Furthermore, the large first aid kit violated one of 18's key principal designs which is all good crafts require a loot only trinket. As it was they were 100% farmable which also goes against everything we've done making odd loot only trinkets to craft anything decent. More blood kits are in loot now, so it should be fine, just no endless best medical item in the game. I see, that makes sense. - - - Updated - - - We're set up now internally to deliver some small updates, so I'd like to try it at least. If it turns out to be a hassle we can always go back to yearly updates but its too much stress. It feels good to complete some stuff a-z and get it out there. THen we can get focus testing too instead of "here what do you think of our whole new game". If we do a small book update the entire conversation will be about the new books and not about 4 million possible changes, giving proper attention to each new thing we do. Updates are good for business too, and for sustaining the community, so I feel like some small updates will be good. We can test and fix those things up fast too instead of getting a lot of bugs all over the place from larger builds. Sounds similar to the agile scrum process? E.g. implement small enhancements in between the bigger ones, etc. - - - Updated - - - Wife and I are about to log in at 21:40 for day 70 horde. We haven’t seen a demolisher yet. I feel we may very soon! Vid....eo!!!!! Vid....eo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 It really depends how you play. The sledge is great if you can manage your stamina properly and learn the timing of it. For those who are a bad aim or don't get any sex rex one miss could be life or death because of the stamina drain and the huge amount of missed dps, where the knuckles and knives are more forgiving, and generally don't tap into your stamina nearly as much, so you need less food. Generally speaking I kind of agree with you, but at the same time I feel like knuckles and knives are such higher volume strikes that the chance for a dismemberment is through the roof late game and its just more fun exploding heads rapidly than using the sledgehammer to me. So if you stick with them they prove to be pretty good later game, where the sledge is probably better early game. It almost feels like weapon choice will definitely impact starter difficulty. If that is intended, that might be good explanation somewhere....maybe one of those loading splash screens? Or maybe depending on the difficulty you select will give a different starter tutorial...just spitballing. Beginners: clubs, bows Intermediate: sledges, spears Advanced: knives, hand to hand Could be a nice usability improvement down the line for newbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrapeDrink Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Beyond level 20 loss of xp is a fairly significant hit to progression. I doubt you suicide at level 60. I mean infection doesn't even cause sides until it turns orange. It happens frequently early game as well if you play nightmare you get hit a lot. I'm all for a slider for death penalty or something, When we first put it in it was like 50% or something brutal. The problem is that by level 20 you dont need to off yourself as its much easier to go off and get something to cure it rather than spend time doing other early game things. Not sure where the right balance is to make it feel impactful though. We're running a server with 10-15 people and growing, and its got people who know what they are doing, and people who are just grabbing it off the Halloween sale to play for the first time. Some people just eat glass to cure their broken legs and infections, some people go about fixing them the intended way, some people die 10 times because they dont know what they're doing yet, so how do you punish the ones who do know what they are doing and just taking advantage of it, while giving the newer guys a non ♥♥♥♥ty experience? Hopefully if we get some "dead is dead" settings we'll have a place for those who feel things are too easy to get around. Eating glass will cure your infection...but you'll also be dead...so chose wisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pregnable Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Weapons drop equally but since there are loads of agility weapons they are rarer. There are two automatic weapons, 4 ranged agility weapons, so statistically you will have a harder time getting exactly what you want. IMO the stealth guy may take longer to clear a POI, but he doesn't take damage, he can do a ton of damage with stealth shots using the cheapest ammo in the game so it balances out fine. My agility character always had loads of ammo for horde nights, where my fortitude builds seem to spend a ton of time mining for ammo. At night I would roam around and head shot everyone for xp with one shot usually from my maxed out pistol. Even if you wake someone up just empty a mag into them and its all good. 9mm ammo grows on trees and is SO cheap to craft. Exploding arrows are nice for hordes. Some builds just take longer to get off the ground is all, but the payoff is worth it IMO. I don't know. When I try and go bow I just never find one, and the primitive bow does pretty low damage, and a lot of shots just pass through the zombies head. Seems like I am wasting lots of ammo and time using the primitive bow. I do always end up with a pistol though and just use that instead lel. We need a stone throwing crossbow or a slingshot lel. Also, I was testing to see if throwing stones did damage to zombies... and they do not, but it looked hilarious... is there any way we can get a perk, or multiple perks that make throwing stones a semi viable way to kill zombies cheaply? sticks and stones, glass houses, fast pitcher? I would totally just run around throwing stones all day. I would probably do it with spears if more than one filled your bar slot when you pick them back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 That bug where it says you can max stack craft something even though you can't? I spoke too soon; I cursed myself earlier. It now applies to every craftable in the game for me. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arma Rex Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 People were suicide farming 100s of blood bags, so there was a buff that was added on death, that TFP didn't approve of, death should clear all buffs for consistency. Without that inconsistency they could farm all the blood bags they want for a one time maximum loss of 50% xp. Furthermore, the large first aid kit violated one of 18's key principal designs which is all good crafts require a loot only trinket. As it was they were 100% farmable which also goes against everything we've done making odd loot only trinkets to craft anything decent. More blood kits are in loot now, so it should be fine, just no endless best medical item in the game. Perhaps in future updates trader Jen could draw your blood or something for some dukes, maybe even heal the critical injuries you've talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfbain5 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 yep, try max crafting arrowheads in the forge doesnt max craft, even tho you have the mats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryZombie Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Isn't the possibility of a death loop one of the reasons for abandoning that system? Perhaps but since they added in that you are invisible to the horde on your resurrection, I think whatever penalties you would get would not cause any kind of death loop like they once did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 yep, try max crafting arrowheads in the forge doesnt max craft, even tho you have the mats Nope, you're probably missing 1-2 mats, but it thinks you can craft them (eg. you can craft 201 wood frames with 401 wood, even though you're missing 1 wood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Nope, you're probably missing 1-2 mats, but it thinks you can craft them (eg. you can craft 201 wood frames with 401 wood, even though you're missing 1 wood) Stop trying to get Roland turned on with math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Skyscraper? Weren't those removed in RWG? This is one of the construction site ones that isn't finished.. I was happy to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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