Dagzambie Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 LOL! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandog1000 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Will you guys re-add sidewalks to cities. I know that's not that important but I felt it added a good deal of immersion and realism. Also because it made the road a bit lower than the sidewalks like in real cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGBOMB Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Sounds good where's mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoviz Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Here I disagree 100% I I think that loot quality should be completely random, not having to do with any game stage or character skill levels etc. But the loot amount I think should be relating to the scavenging skill. This. I agree 80%. I think the level of the Loot (1-600) should be based on the game stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkfoxx117 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 With other words Q600 Sniper with 100 Bullets the first week ? I think he meant that you could find a QL 600 sniper rifle but finding ample amounts of bullets would not be easy to come by unless you have the skills to make them.... similarly you would not be able to repair it once broken until you have the sniper rifle skill unlocked so the balance is there already. - - - Updated - - - Can this be a thing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonestarcanuck Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Can we get a Bride Zombie? we have a Nurse, a Stripper (she always give me an infection...hmm...) and other woman, I think a Bride that screams and a beast comes to her rescue . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratami Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Can we get a Bride Zombie? we have a Nurse, a Stripper (she always give me an infection...hmm...) and other woman, I think a Bride that screams and a beast comes to her rescue . I like the sound of that, kinda as the little sisters in Bioshock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdogg Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Bride Zombie ? That could be intresting. If shes still holding the dried out dead flowers from the ceremony (roses?) she could perhaps do peircing damage (rose thorns?) that cause you to bleed alittle but not exactly the same as the current bleed out ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 just add Tartar sauce and mmmm mmm good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Here I disagree 100% I think that loot quality should be completely random, not having to do with any game stage or character skill levels etc. But the loot amount I think should be relating to the scavenging skill. Loot quality is random. There is a modifier on the roll to be sure based on the player's level but there is still a chance for a level one player to get something high quality and a high level player to get something not highest quality. Before they switched to the current model they were constantly adjusting the loot tables and the game would go back and forth between too rare for the high quality stuff to too common. Now it is just right. You get the rare high quality item in the beginning but as you level up and time goes on you begin to find more high quality things. The current system works well to keep the OP things out of the early game but make them obtainable later in the game. The only real problem with the system is that you know how it works and that knowledge ruins the immersion because you understand how the game is simulating finding stuff. The same is true of the heat map and the sleeper system. There really is no problem with those systems until people start playing them based on how they know the game is making them work. A brand new player who purchases the game tomorrow and never comes to the forum won't worry about how the loot probabilities work. They will just loot everything as they play and slowly but surely they will start to find better and better things. If they don't know how the heatmap works they will notice that after a few days of living and working in an area a screamer will show up and call in a horde. Too much knowledge and even worse...too much play strategy base upon knowledge your avatar shouldn't have results in things feeling unnatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud42 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Wrong. Please Explain??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2gnomes Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Loot quality is random. There is a modifier on the roll to be sure based on the player's level but there is still a chance for a level one player to get something high quality and a high level player to get something not highest quality. Before they switched to the current model they were constantly adjusting the loot tables and the game would go back and forth between too rare for the high quality stuff to too common. Now it is just right. You get the rare high quality item in the beginning but as you level up and time goes on you begin to find more high quality things. The current system works well to keep the OP things out of the early game but make them obtainable later in the game. The only real problem with the system is that you know how it works and that knowledge ruins the immersion because you understand how the game is simulating finding stuff. The same is true of the heat map and the sleeper system. There really is no problem with those systems until people start playing them based on how they know the game is making them work. A brand new player who purchases the game tomorrow and never comes to the forum won't worry about how the loot probabilities work. They will just loot everything as they play and slowly but surely they will start to find better and better things. If they don't know how the heatmap works they will notice that after a few days of living and working in an area a screamer will show up and call in a horde. Too much knowledge and even worse...too much play strategy base upon knowledge your avatar shouldn't have results in things feeling unnatural. The only real problem with the system is that it needs more common sense, or the appearance of. For example, a mother zombie wouldnt have a gun but a cop or a cowboy would, I have yet to find a weapon on a cowboy, even the cowboy hats are not that common. Its the little things that bring up the question about loot randomness. its the same things that lessen the immersion because there is a lack of lore. Lore can be used in such a way to explain why screamers appear thru talk around a campfire. Lore is usually passed on thru generations of siblings. The problem is that the game does not have any real lore yet. Knowledge of the heatmap is therefore not passed thru lore but thru the forums thus losing more immersion. In the end the problem is not with the players here, its with the game and the things it still lacks. Like lore stories. We need to find books that have some actual stories or an adventurers diary explaining screamer (and other types of zombies) behavior. So any common knowledge learned on the forums can also be learned in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 Please Explain??? He'll tell you he's spelled it all out before a long long time ago in a thread far far away and that he has some good ideas for a replacement system (that he also already posted enough times) and that somehow what we have constitutes lazy development. But it all boils down to he just doesn't like it. He prefers something else. And that's fine. We all prefer stuff a certain way and this is one of those things that he'll also tell you that if it remains by the end of development his review will be that it is the game that could have been the greatest game that was never made or the game he never knew he always wanted but couldn't have or something similar. I forgot the exact wording but he had it all ready to go-- probably on a Hallmark card he plans to send Joel when the game releases.... Guppy gets sentimental when it comes to leveled loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayaholic Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How about a way to check your gamestage on a MP server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfbain5 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 He'll tell you he's spelled it all out before a long long time ago in a thread far far away and that he has some good ideas for a replacement system (that he also already posted enough times) and that somehow what we have constitutes lazy development. But it all boils down to he just doesn't like it. He prefers something else. And that's fine. We all prefer stuff a certain way and this is one of those things that he'll also tell you that if it remains by the end of development his review will be that it is the game that could have been the greatest game that was never made or the game he never knew he always wanted but couldn't have or something similar. I forgot the exact wording but he had it all ready to go-- probably on a Hallmark card he plans to send Joel when the game releases.... Guppy gets sentimental when it comes to leveled loot. sentimental? he gets downright hormonal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalex Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 http://www.qconline.com/news/regional/piranha-like-catch-more-than-just-a-bluegill/article_b0fdfe55-b409-5aa3-b63e-abc9f86dfb58.html Mutated or zomified bluegill or bass that attack in schools if people can't get past Piranha not being native. Or, an invasive species like snakeheads, which can be found in Arizona waters right now. Add a little nuclear magic and a touch of zombie and tad-ah! The terror of the lake! They can move from one lake to another just by walking over land. Yeah, that would work. Though they shouldn't be very fast. However, before they put any type of water hazard like that, we need to have real swimming in the game. Right now, we have no way to fight at surface level of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilleen Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 The only real problem with the system is that it needs more common sense, or the appearance of. For example, a mother zombie wouldnt have a gun but a cop or a cowboy would, I have yet to find a weapon on a cowboy, even the cowboy hats are not that common. Its the little things that bring up the question about loot randomness. its the same things that lessen the immersion because there is a lack of lore. Lore can be used in such a way to explain why screamers appear thru talk around a campfire. Lore is usually passed on thru generations of siblings. The problem is that the game does not have any real lore yet. Knowledge of the heatmap is therefore not passed thru lore but thru the forums thus losing more immersion. In the end the problem is not with the players here, its with the game and the things it still lacks. Like lore stories. We need to find books that have some actual stories or an adventurers diary explaining screamer (and other types of zombies) behavior. So any common knowledge learned on the forums can also be learned in the game. Remember that just because you have not found a weapon on a cowboy does not mean that the chances are higher to find one on a Zombie Mother. The actual chances are Zombie Mother: about 1.3 % and various ammos is about 4.5%, Zombie Cowboy: Rifle about 10% and various gun parts about 7.5% so combined about 17.5 %. The sample size of any one player is probably not large enough for these percentages to look like they are coming close to those specified. Also there is no requirement that it ever has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 He'll tell you he's spelled it all out before a long long time ago in a thread far far away and that he has some good ideas for a replacement system (that he also already posted enough times) and that somehow what we have constitutes lazy development. But it all boils down to he just doesn't like it. He prefers something else. And that's fine. We all prefer stuff a certain way and this is one of those things that he'll also tell you that if it remains by the end of development his review will be that it is the game that could have been the greatest game that was never made or the game he never knew he always wanted but couldn't have or something similar. I forgot the exact wording but he had it all ready to go-- probably on a Hallmark card he plans to send Joel when the game releases.... Guppy gets sentimental when it comes to leveled loot. A discussion I just had on the subject... took less than 30 minutes and we came up with a better idea than the current system. =) -TSBX- - Today at 9:52 PM Better scav skill should net MORE loot, not better Guppycur - Today at 9:53 PM That, and levelled harvesting is fine. -TSBX- - Today at 9:53 PM Maybe tie quality of found items to your expertise, high gun skill will be able to identify parts better, but an axe looks like an axe to your untrained eye Guppycur - Today at 9:53 PM Poor harvesters means lower quality pulls, Because you break ♥♥♥♥ or are just unable to pull it out. But me finding a brown wrench and you finding a purple is retarded. -TSBX- - Today at 9:54 PM Agreed StompyNZ - Today at 9:55 PM they should scrap the whole quality system anyway, its so racist and makes the poor quality weapons feel like they are mistreated Guppycur - Today at 9:55 PM If we as players aren't making decisions (searching a trash can but not under a dirty diaper) then that means the game is doing it for us. Nope. -TSBX- - Today at 9:55 PM Also, what if the timer to open a container went away (Could still be locked, jammed, or trapped) and time to loot was based on the contents of the container. If I see an AK and a wrench, I can grab those more quickly than 25 loose brass casings or glass fragments. Guppycur - Today at 9:55 PM Qualityism! I could support that T. Spend more time get more ♥♥♥♥. Or no more. StompyNZ - Today at 9:56 PM fog of war on the chest slots, and they slowly reveal as you watch it Guppycur - Today at 9:56 PM Hell, that's 42x better than the current system. StompyNZ - Today at 9:57 PM then you have stats on items for how visible they are etc Guppycur - Today at 9:57 PM So when those zombies are pounding away nearby you don't just auto get it all. StompyNZ - Today at 9:57 PM big ass gun instantly spotted etc Guppycur - Today at 9:57 PM Put the timer on the container for a thorough search. Quick search gets table 1, another 30 seconds rolls from table 2, another 30 rolls from table 3. -TSBX- - Today at 9:58 PM Exactly. One of the most tense moments I've ever had in the game was waiting for the open timer on a safe before they were locked and I coule hear zombies breaking into the building and it was crazy. Guppycur - Today at 9:58 PM Yep. Digging that. StompyNZ - Today at 9:58 PM na, loot gets rolled once at the start Guppycur - Today at 9:58 PM Currently, sure. StompyNZ - Today at 9:58 PM you just dont see it if you suck at looting Guppycur - Today at 9:58 PM Either way, levelled loot gotta go, StompyNZ - Today at 9:58 PM so a better looter could then open the same chest and see things another didnt Guppycur - Today at 9:59 PM Far too many alternative, and better, ideas. Mmmm... Can't agree with that stomp. Harvesting, yeh, opening a cabinet, no. StompyNZ - Today at 9:59 PM well, you want to spot the tiny rare and hard to identify bits, you gotta be a good looter Guppycur - Today at 10:00 PM Or take more time. -TSBX- - Today at 10:00 PM I would think that would tie into an organic growth of the scavenging skill. After looking in cabinets long enough, you know to check for false bottoms, etc. StompyNZ - Today at 10:00 PM or very lucky Guppycur - Today at 10:00 PM So. Loot skill decrease time, like it already does. StompyNZ - Today at 10:00 PM yeah thats what im saying gup Guppycur - Today at 10:00 PM Then yeh, we agree. =) StompyNZ - Today at 10:00 PM if you have skill, you see everything quick if you dont, then the smaller stuff takes longer to appears or in some cases never Guppycur - Today at 10:01 PM Yep. Consensus. StompyNZ - Today at 10:01 PM right, make it so Guppycur - Today at 10:03 PM ...just gotta get gazz on board. And we know he doesn't like to start over. =) -TSBX- - Today at 10:03 PM Do you guys think tying that into skills for an item type (guns, ammo, melee, tools, whatever) so that the more points you have in guns, the quicker you can loot that item type. Guppycur - Today at 10:03 PM Is this idea currently moddable? StompyNZ - Today at 10:03 PM yeah -TSBX- - Today at 10:03 PM Theoretically, yeah. StompyNZ - Today at 10:03 PM would take some work toh Guppycur - Today at 10:03 PM No, I think theyre separate skills. I do seem to recall us discussing a 3 pass look.... Like once looted the container resets to a new container... @Doombringer101 -TSBX- - Today at 10:07 PM Imagine having "tiers" of looters. First pass would be for those who can identify weapons and tools, second tier would look for base resources (light fixtures, faucets, etc.) and last pass would be the engineers breaking down complex things like fridges and ovens and ♥♥♥♥. Goes hand in hand with the takes a while to loot a whole town theme. Guppycur - Today at 10:08 PM I think anyone can id a weapon or tool, the skill should be in using it, not finding it. You are ♥♥♥♥ with a wrench so improperly use it, it breaks quicker. So tie its hitpoints to your skill. -TSBX- - Today at 10:09 PM Maybe, but an expert would be able to look at a gun and say "this firing pin is bad, ♥♥♥♥'s not good" where a novice would see a trigger and a barrel and be ecstatic. Guppycur - Today at 10:09 PM Coupled with separating hand made tools (q1-q200) from store bought (q300-q500) then boom. Good system. So have an identify skill. Don't change what you find. I don't even like seeing quality bars. -TSBX- - Today at 10:11 PM How about this, you have your in the field grading system based on your expertise in a field. You can use the item at it's percieved, but until you have it "appraised" at a trader or whatever, you don't get bonuses from part stats (A17) Guppycur - Today at 10:11 PM No, don't like it. That effectively changes what it is. Better dealt with by a novice breaking it faster. -TSBX- - Today at 10:12 PM It would always be a Q123 club, but until you stay a while and listen, if your club skill is bad, it may only feel like a Q30. Guppycur - Today at 10:13 PM But that changes what it is, which makes no sense imo. I could see you not understanding its value, strictly for bartering though. Hence, hide the quality levels from the player. -TSBX- - Today at 10:14 PM Yeah I see what you're saying/ Guppycur - Today at 10:15 PM But if it fires differently, or strikes more ineffectively, that should be tied to your expertise, not the item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 That sounds fun too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How about a way to check your gamestage on a MP server? Admins can allow that. Ok Ill admit it. Guppy and the gang came up with a great loot system, one i would rather see in place of what we got. This hat tastes yummy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2gnomes Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Remember that just because you have not found a weapon on a cowboy does not mean that the chances are higher to find one on a Zombie Mother. The actual chances are Zombie Mother: about 1.3 % and various ammos is about 4.5%, Zombie Cowboy: Rifle about 10% and various gun parts about 7.5% so combined about 17.5 %. The sample size of any one player is probably not large enough for these percentages to look like they are coming close to those specified. Also there is no requirement that it ever has to. And that right there is exactly why there is a loss of immersion. I really dont care what the actual numbers are. What matters here is whether Zombie_01 has more loot than say Zombie_02 and that Zombie_3 has different loot than Zombie_04. Thats it, word of mouth, no numbers lore. dont be a ♥♥♥♥ and use actual numbers and percentages most people I know dont like that. Those that do post actual number ruin the game for others prolly have stopped playing the game for what it is and just constantly play math problems in their head. For myself, thats not fun at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stallionsden Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 A discussion I just had on the subject... took less than 30 minutes and we came up with a better idea than the current system. =) Guppy for president.... altho maybe be in office less time then trump haha lol.... :-P. That sounds way better then the system currently. Not knocking the person whom came up with the current system. But yeh not real immersive lol if a been opens a container finds nothing but a level 50 opens it and finds stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Guppy for king of the bowl! just don't flush him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Guppy for president.... altho maybe be in office less time then trump haha lol.... :-P. That sounds way better then the system currently. Not knocking the person whom came up with the current system. But yeh not real immersive lol if a been opens a container finds nothing but a level 50 opens it and finds stuff. TECHNICALLY that was TSBX' idea. Maybe Roland's point still stands. JaxTeller718 - Keeping It Real Since 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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