madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 I think this is a good strategy. I had many friends that I tried to get hooked on this game, but it was just too unpolished to them and they couldn't play it. Get the performance up, the graphics good and fix the bugs, and a lot of new players will enjoy 7dtd! Speaking of which: @MadMole how is the development of A18 coming along? Is it still set to be released in the first half of 2019?Thanks for the feedback. Yes TFP agrees that performance, better graphics and fixing the bugs is where we need to focus most of our energy. I've recently finished subnautica and then tried to play no mans sky. I feel like Subnautica blows it away because it is a smaller focused experience with direct goals and a bit of a narrative going on, and the experience feels very polished. No mans sky is too much sand and its too hard, I am constantly grinding oxygen and environment protection energy which is hindering me from exploring, and I finally found a space station full of pig aliens that don't even speak English and there was literally nothing to do there. My point is that a smaller polished experience is way better than a broad sandbox with no real goals or connection. At least 7 days has the horde coming, so there is that inevitable doom you need to prepare for which instills "purpose" for the player. Trader quests are adding more purpose and story. The new books add a tiny bit of lore and help tutor a little. Once we get a main quest in I think we'll be closer to the polished subnautica experience and further away from the unpolished no man's sky experience. But I felt a bit of frustration trying to learn no mans sky and getting sucked into it was difficult because of the clunky UI and difficult crafting. Any game that forces you to spend a bunch of time on youtube learning it is poorly designed. But I can relate to new players in 7 days who probably feel this way and we want to make it as smooth as possible for them. What they should have done is either start you at a space station where they give you some basic training (rock mining, crafting etc) then crash you on a planet. Subnautica has the little pda that guides you through stuff and I think its accessibility is why its outsold no mans sky so much. A18 Its coming along good, I see no issues with it launching experimental the first half of 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 A18 Its coming along good, I see no issues with it launching experimental the first half of 2019. Today is the perfect day for that statement... #plausible deniability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholyjoe Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Today is the perfect day for that statement... #plausible deniability 2 months later from now, watch the "but you said" start up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Did you dye your beard? (Every mod counts!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 If so, does it do more damage now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket504 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Ok, one thing I wondered after reading. Did you run it at 1080p or 4K (2160p, kinda). Edit: I cant do the full 3840x2160. It causes problems! I've run both, 1080p and 3840x2160 even on hoard night. Still from my limited testing/formal knowledge, its appears more the engine rather than 7DTD that's the primary limiting factor to frame rate. Looks like once the engine maxes out 2 cores, that's when the frame rate plummets. Same kind of thing on the server, not all cores are used and when the ones that are get near max, then you see lag grow. See that with memory as well, so if any one knows the tweak to allow the game to use more, I'd love to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamsCB Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I've made about 10 sewer POIs so far. I'm designing them to be modular, so you can connect them in a maze-like fashion, with larger arena type junction areas. I ran into the problem of deciding what loot should be down there. For now, just a ton of bodies to be looted for bones. Some of these are modern sewers and some are older. The older ones have some minerals stalagmites growing from the ceiling, so a good source of nitrate. One of the POIs have like little hobo shelters that have a little loot. So, there are ways... just need to use some imagination. I would think the sewer/storm drainage systems would be one of the go to hiding spots early outbreak, all your concrete walls premade and far more hidden than holing up in a building already full off infected. You'd probably find several early survivor bases, that last at least to the first blood moon where the Zs dig down. Might even find more developed base with turrets, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 Considering you guys somehow managed to halve performance from 16 to 17 while at the same time crippling larger mods I would say you did a very good job of that all by yourself. Id love to have a thread of people playing vanilla A16 with a snapshot of their CPU and GPU stats, and then a shot of A17 with a snapshot of those same stats. I think the drastic difference would shock you. There is no way you will ever get back to the performance you had in 16, no matter how many artificial handicaps you throw at the game like Texture Streaming you implement. And telling people to get better systems isn't going to work, because there are people WITH those better systems that are close to maxing GPU usage playing just vanilla on high settings, and thats before people even install a single mod. And considering this whole thing was branded as "mod friendly" thats a bit of irony I certainly wasn't expecting.A16 didn't have detailed POIs. It was literally minecraft and now its close to Fallout 4 in terms of detail but fallout 4 loads a new dungeon inside. All we need to do is cull unseen interiors and the FPS will be better than A16. This isn't an easy task though. We're also rendering distant trees, alpha 16 didn't do that. People need to understand that texture streaming doesn't make the game run faster, it just lets us add new content because it can unload unseen objects or reduce them to a thumbnail, and up res them. It helps manage memory but it doesn't improve performance. Draw calls of objects, and overdraw (rendering stuff on top of stuff) is where a lot of fps goes, but its more complicated because sometimes cpu bound from ai, keeps the gpu from being faster, etc. So texture streaming is getting you guys much needed content. It didn't slow the game down at least not on modern hardware. The big thing was all the detail the level designers added. They are optimizing plus with some culling I think we can reach a point where things run good and look good. Here's another thing though, sure exact same settings you take a nose dive in fps from 16 to 17. BUT... if you lower your resolution A17 STILL LOOKS WAY BETTER THAN 16 AT HIGH RES. And for me all I did was drop from 2560 to 1440 and boom, same fps as 16 but it still looked way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 The idea of subway POI is really old and anticipated. Though, subways are build under big cities and all we have here is collection of villages, and towns that look better and better with the time. Subway poi in a town with 1500-5000 or even 20k residents sounds unrealistic. So, sewers Yes getting trapped in the dark is a great idea. I'd go to the mountains or plains where you can see everything coming for a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 Today is the perfect day for that statement... #plausible deniability Yes April fools day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 Did you dye your beard? (Every mod counts!) My beard is legendary, and the mods are dye, alpha intimidation, creative thinking beard, well oiled buff, mustache waxed, beard balmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouch Quit It Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I wonder if you have "Coughs*" bound to a macro or at least ctrl V it. Im old school...im your age...i type it out! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 This is how outbreaks start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 Im old school...im your age...i type it out! Lol I read an article about how people should try to reinvent themselves every 6 months. So the Ouch we knew 6 months ago is not the same as the Ouch we know today. To me that's a bit extreme, I did tend to shift careers every 10 years outside of gaming. Gaming has so many interesting problems there is never full mastery of it, so it never gets boring like other fields did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthonydevidal Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Madmole will we finally see mixed martial arts books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesKirk Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Any game that forces you to spend a bunch of time on youtube learning it is poorly designed. That's only partly correct. I think of games from Paradox Interactive (HOI4, CK2, EU4). Learning the basic mechanics takes a week, but to my mind every minute is worth it. But I must admit I spent more hours on 7DTD (>1300) than on all Paradox games cumulated... To be continued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerfly Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Yes getting trapped in the dark is a great idea. I'd go to the mountains or plains where you can see everything coming for a mile. Building in mountains is awesome. It is challenging for building and defence, which is the point we are doing it for. We had really many great views, too, thanks to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Yes, the only work on A18 is related to design and texturing. The Programming team hasn't start on it yet. There are plenty of programming changes that have been made for A18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 That's only partly correct. I think of games from Paradox Interactive (HOI4, CK2, EU4). Learning the basic mechanics takes a week, but to my mind every minute is worth it. But I must admit I spent more hours on 7DTD (>1300) than on all Paradox games cumulated... To be continued Oh I'm not saying that a poorly designed game isn't fun. Sometimes a steep learning curve can be worth it, but just think how much better that game would be if you could learn it easily without the steep learning curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 No april fools twitter post? These are sad days... sad days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarlingCows Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I think people get triggered too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Anyone remember when Capcom released their April fools joke for the original Resident Evil 2? They posted a screen shot of Ryu from Street Fighter 3D uppercutting a zombies head off and said to unlock him , you had to beat the game , no saves , no healing sprays and only using the knife... People tried to do it for YEARS...even after they admitted it was just a joke... They really should do something like that again with the newly remade RE2...see if people pay attention or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareee Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Honestly, I think a17 is "good enough" for now, and would rather the whole team hammered on a18 hard to kick it out asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace312 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Honestly, I think a17 is "good enough" for now, and would rather the whole team hammered on a18 hard to kick it out asap. I would agree. Though others would view that as sacrilegious! 3, 2, 1 FIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frekton Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 @Madmole Lol NMS was too hard.... I know understand the dumbing down of 7DtD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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