Roland Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Maybe Roland can comment on what it’s like in confined space. I don't think it would be too much different. If you are in confined space and using melee, the zeds are already in your face. Their rage mode might startle you or jack up the anxiety visually, but in terms of distance they were already near the distance of being able to hit you if you could hit them ...however, not sure if rage also increases their rate of taking swings at you. A quick switch from spear to club might be helpful... though I also do not know how fast weapon switching will be either. The main difficulty is in adapting to it. My point was that compared to previous alphas where there was always slight adaptation required, this alpha is going to require more from players. Confined spaces are tougher with the speed boost, not gonna lie. I take more hits than ever before. As Madmole mentioned you sometimes have to just turn and run and avoid until their speed timer runs out. As Guppy said, kiting hordes is not so easy and requires more situational awareness. I’d say the same is true with smaller numbers when inside confined quarters. What’s funny is that it can happen from any damage. So a zombie brushes against a cactus and it starts running. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpacko Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 stop asking for new stuff??? Lol yeah right! Like that's going to happen. i want trains. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 BANNED for arguing about it... using the new weapon grazing effect. 7d2d does not take place back to the dinos era anyways... wake up and smell the brains. Ok. Then extraterrestrial beings or vampires. #I'mNotKiddingDon'tBanMe - - - Updated - - - To GeT BaNnEd YoU HaVe To WrItE LEgitimaTE CRItiCISm in ThIS FoRUM. Seriously though, I don't understand why the communities outside this forum use the narrative that if someone criticizes TFP or the game in this forum, they get banned. I've seen quite a few very negative posts here. That's actually true...almost everyone criticizes with respect here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 That's actually true...almost everyone criticizes with respect here. *sneezes* Huh? I feel like someone was thinking about me... weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Seriously though, I don't understand why the communities outside this forum use the narrative that if someone criticizes TFP or the game in this forum, they get banned. I've seen quite a few very negative posts here. I mean... the forum is super badly organized, half of it is dead, the userbase is basicially only the elite now, Moderators *edit*(often is not fair) sometimes troll users and certain descicions are laughable at best. But getting banned unreasonably is not one of the things that I can criticize. Like... if ANYONE should be banned for it... *looks around nervously*... and even I never even got as much as a warning. So those people are clearly wrong or were just shouting random insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUST2DEATH Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Tower defense is the core of this game. When there are certain methods that feel too cheap then I feel like we need to find solutions. When there is an easy loophole we've failed at creating an interesting tower defense game. "Just build a pit and its end game". Fixed. "Just dig a 3 meter hole and put a frame over the top and its end game" Fixed. "Just make some log spikes and its end game" Fixed. Why does it surprise people when we take action to stop super easy cheesy exploits? We don't want to remove freedom, we want to remove cheesy exploits that make it easy to be safe. Players need to have fear at all times, even late game, just not as much. Crafting a bunch of traps is not participating in the horde event. I don't want players sitting inside doing nothing and then at 4 am go out and collect all their gifts. If Tower Defense is the core of the game then sitting inside doing nothing after crafting a bunch of traps *is* valid gameplay and should be rewarded as such. if its not then its a shooter. You cant say its a core design feature then nullify the play style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebab39 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hello Madmole, is it possible to extend the sound distance in game? Some custom game mods could involve gunshot echo going over 1km, but currently there seems to be hardcoded limit for sounds within 98 meters, which reduces some gameplay options - you can get shot by stock sniper rifle and no longer hear it, which did not happen in a13 and earlier. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkfoxx117 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I mean... the forum is super badly organized, half of it is dead, the userbase is basicially only the elite now, Moderators *edit*(often is not fair) sometimes troll users and certain descicions are laughable at best. But getting banned unreasonably is not one of the things that I can criticize. Like... if ANYONE should be banned for it... *looks around nervously*... and even I never even got as much as a warning. So those people are clearly wrong or were just shouting random insults. Not true I (and probably a few other people) lurk here daily but don't post anything just have a good read on whats happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I have a question, Madmole. How does mining feel in a18? we didn't see much of that in the streams. Barring the obvious issues that come with every new tweak, how good is it vs previous versions of the system?. In a17 lead is everywhere underground. Iron too. Nitrate and Coal though..... they feel like the old forge book. Because you may see a patch or two of gravel, but you very often dig to bedrock straight from the gravel patch and nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdunham3 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Crafting a bunch of traps is not participating in the horde event. I don't want players sitting inside doing nothing and then at 4 am go out and collect all their gifts. Unless they drop a lot more loot in a18 than a17.4, there aren't likely to be any gifts to collect. Very few, at any rate, and not nearly enough to compensate for the high cost in both materials and time that a large array of traps represents. Personally I don't understand all the affront to people trying to avoid a horde of zombies. That's survivalism right there. Don't take on risky combat if you don't have to. Weigh the benefits. Use terrain, traps, tactics etc. to your advantage. With a "no blood moon" setting already in, isn't this all moot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 This is all gut reaction from someone who has not played alpha 18 yet. With that being said. 3-4 seconds is an eternity in this game and can mean death. You yourself have stated this is going to be a big deal. I say this is un needed. I get hit all the time with melee in alpha 17. I take a good amount of damage already and use my fair share of healing bandages. High level pois are already pointless because of the ammo we have to use. Rage mode will only make it worse. Again this is rage mode in a17. I'm sure balance will be done for rage mode in a18. Just putting my thoughts out there. I was wrecking everything with no healing other than primitive bandages and never getting hit. It needed something to spice it up. As I said its rare to see one jog, no sprinting. Its more like oh this guys moving a little faster than his buddies, enough to cause a bit of discomfort. A18 has better armor, less bleeding, so getting hit is more probable but less critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 [ATTACH=CONFIG]28804[/ATTACH] Videos. Getting my new pc going, once the dust settles there I'll get to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 I find it unfair that player has a compass, and watch from the very beginning. Gamers can spawn in and find out lots of valuable information for nothing. Maybe you could add clocks and compass as equipable/consumable items so that players have to scavenge for a bit before they can magically learn time and direction they're facing? What advantage does having a compass give anyone? Going North gains you nothing if you don't know what is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The main difficulty is in adapting to it. My point was that compared to previous alphas where there was always slight adaptation required, this alpha is going to require more from players. Confined spaces are tougher with the speed boost, not gonna lie. I take more hits than ever before. As Madmole mentioned you sometimes have to just turn and run and avoid until their speed timer runs out. As Guppy said, kiting hordes is not so easy and requires more situational awareness. I’d say the same is true with smaller numbers when inside confined quarters. What’s funny is that it can happen from any damage. So a zombie brushes against a cactus and it starts running. Lol. Sounds good to me. I like it when you need to be aware of your surroundings for quick escapes. I also like it when you have to keep moving. I see all the time in videos and streams, people seem to either stand still or might back pedal a little while in melee... and it drives me nuts. This is far better than playing a game of stamina maintenance like we saw in early A17. I would rather run out of stamina because I am running around like a maniac dodging and swinging for my life, and not because of a single power swing at the wrong moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 How about new guns?Only m-60?or something else?i think m60 will make horde nights even easier in my opinion it should require to lay down to shoot properly Maybe you ought to hit the weights lol. An m60 weighs 23 pounds I could shoot one with one arm no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 *Any chance to see a Death Penalty option in A18? *prays* OOooooooh Death Penalty....right....yes this... Hey Madmole...are boats ever going to be a thing?? asking for a friend... What dates WONT A18 be coming out? Why do you want boats when water is 2% of the map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Okay so a few of us have been playing with this mod or variants of this mod for a while... ...the net result is two fold. First, the little speed increase when they're coming towards you adds a little challenge when trying for timing, but nothing you can't handle on 1v1. Where it really shines is in wandering hordes. You know how currently you can pick one off at a time after they conga line, and wandering hordes are ZERO challenge, no matter the count? Well now, when you knock one down and move on to another, you have to be wary of the 1, 2, or even 3 that are gonna charge you from the middle of the pack. It's epic gameplay, and like Tin said, get the mods to get a sneak peak preview.Yes the angry ones push the slow ones out of their way its pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Madmole, a consultation, already fixed the adherence of the C4 to the weapons boxes? I would like to see better adherence of the C4 to things, in the video of Prime we saw how it did not adhere very well, and a query but the size of the grenades are also going to be modified? I think they have to be smaller C4 is a wip, grenade size is debateable. I'd hate to reanimate it just because it might be 15% too big for realists. The upside is you can kind of see where its going easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Screw a date; you guys don't follow them anyway... Pack the release full of goodies. No, its good to get builds out. Leaving it in the oven too long and it might burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 What advantage does having a compass give anyone? Going North gains you nothing if you don't know what is there. Uh, finding your way back is really easy with a compass, not so much easy without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 BuT wHy Do YoU cArE hOw I pLaY??? No but seriously... if someone spent so much time (especially with the new Zs) in building up a great base, isn't that "interacting" with the horde enough? Like... if I farm wood 24/7 until hordenight for spikes... why punish that playstyle if that is how they like to play? I for one wouldn't do it, and I love that all electric defenses now give xp. That is enough in my eyes... just wondering why this is so much a thorn in your eye that you explicitially "reduce player choice" to force them to interact with it? I mean seeing how many radiated Zs were on my day 50 horde (fluctuation of 2 days to give it a bit of edge)... no spikepit in this WORLD could have stopped them. Like... it was only radiated... and they kept coming till 3 AM (with 16 bmc) I only survived because electric fences and bladetraps slowed them down enough and thinned out the amount for me that my 300 7.62mm bullets were just about enough. Again: I am fine with electric traps giving xp. I don't really build spikes anymore. BUT it would be a nice thing to get xp from all our work, not just from those you deem worthy. Also... just because I am always so negative: A18 really looks promising. So many mistakes of 17 were eradicated and so much has been worked on. Really looking forward to it, even if I am still the biggest devils advocat and will continue that god given role No seriously. I like so many features. It looks better and I feel you guys work really hard on this one. Keep going Its a technical thing, we can't track kills from regular blocks. If we make the spikes model entities the FPS will crash and burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Made some ground in A18 or A17? I don't know specifically, I never played 17 on a dedi. I played a lot of A18 on the dedi and its better than the last time I played as a client, not sure when that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Madmole can you add dinosaurs to the game? And also add at least 60 new weapons #Don'tBanMe Go play Ark dude. If your potato can handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 If Tower Defense is the core of the game then sitting inside doing nothing after crafting a bunch of traps *is* valid gameplay and should be rewarded as such. if its not then its a shooter. You cant say its a core design feature then nullify the play style. Who's nullifying anything? Traps kill stuff. Should players be able to thrive from wooden spikes? No. Later tech trees that require multiple difficult to acquire resources, perks and tech? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hello Madmole, is it possible to extend the sound distance in game? Some custom game mods could involve gunshot echo going over 1km, but currently there seems to be hardcoded limit for sounds within 98 meters, which reduces some gameplay options - you can get shot by stock sniper rifle and no longer hear it, which did not happen in a13 and earlier. Thank you. No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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