Alpha 18 Dev Diary!!

[wolfbain5]

If it is i am a little black pot

I do apoligize for my ranting even though its random. Idk wtf i did but i get 50 fps and the game is great.

I think i just needed to switch my formula from little whiner to deal with it and play or leave

 

or mod. remember, some of the ones that mod have discord servers with people who do play, some have hundreds to a think 1 has 3k people on his? and their we and us is referring to the group consensus of those discord servers. MM is aware of this and tends to give them a wee bit more leeway, but shuts them down still the same.

 

Also, do remember MM is balancing the game along HIS playstyle. because that is his perspective. the rest of us, <using that word loosely> are just trying to add ours for a more balanced game.

 

I live in a glass house. Now where did I leave that Mole shaped rock?

[Guppycur]

Dude Guppy, you need to move on to a new game then, don't you feel like your wasting time/essence into raging about a game? Sure you can fanboy post and have rage posts, but to "Us". "We" feel that "We" want youto move on.

 

"The community" as spoken for "us"

 

At this point, seems like your just trolling or need a new hobby...

 

First, raging? I'm calm and rational. You?

 

Wasting my time? Nope, someone has to be the first to say it, in hopes of getting it changed. Otherwise, why are we here? Just to be sycophants? No, the pimps don't roll that way, for which I'm appreciative. Fyi, mm isn't the only dev.

 

Fanboy? I don't feel like either you nor me is doing that.

 

...but do you have a point you're trying to make, or are you satisfied with YOUR trolling?

 

Sorry little buddy, my opinion is just as valid as yours.

 

Offended by the us statement? Read Jax, doctor3d, and others who share similar opinions... More will come. Rest assured.

[MajorMunchy]

or mod. remember, some of the ones that mod have discord servers with people who do play, some have hundreds to a think 1 has 3k people on his? and their we and us is referring to the group consensus of those discord servers. MM is aware of this and tends to give them a wee bit more leeway, but shuts them down still the same.

 

Also, do remember MM is balancing the game along HIS playstyle. because that is his perspective. the rest of us, <using that word loosely> are just trying to add ours for a more balanced game.

 

I live in a glass house. Now where did I leave that Mole shaped rock?

 

all in all its just a game, follower or not. imo ppl who stream video games should not make what some make. its stupid. im in that boat for actors as well.

probably why u could give 2 $%#s about 1-3000 people who follow a mod. thats literally a spec in civilization. yes i will admit 17k people are playing 7d2 atm and if 3000 of them were the "we" and "us? sure thats 17.7% of the game players. still not 51%

 

Trump did not win for the 17%, he won cause americans are stupid and voted for him.

[madmole]

I think the current implementation of food poisoning is not too different then how it is in fallout. The difference in that game is eating food gives you health but also increases your radiation level which needs to be maintained by the player.

 

In fallout most food gives you rads. For every point of rads you have you lose a point of max health. You take meds to get rid of it. Ours is more forgiving and restores lost health with a small risk of food poisoning, not an impending doom of low health bar if you get too much rads.

[wolfbain5]

all in all its just a game, follower or not. imo ppl who stream video games should not make what some make. its stupid. im in that boat for actors as well.

probably why u could give 2 $%#s about 1-3000 people who follow a mod. thats literally a spec in civilization. yes i will admit 17k people are playing 7d2 atm and if 3000 of them were the "we" and "us? sure thats 17.7% of the game players. still not 51%

 

Trump did not win for the 17%, he won cause americans are stupid and voted for him.

 

before this gets wiped, no politics allowed on the forums, do remember he lost the popular vote

 

edit and with that, time to put the troll on a diet.,

[MajorMunchy]

all in all, again, a game. good for TFP making bank. id rather them make bank and have a ok game with complainers than make little revenue and have the best game on the planet. Mouths need to be fed and cars need gas etc etc.

[Guppycur]

Thanks. I appreciate the time you took for all this information, but that information is useless for me as I have played this game solo for enough years.

What about the information I was looking for?

I am hoping to see settings (number of hordes, number alive, day length, difficulty, loot chance), day #, gamestage, and how much ammo you have in storage at the moment.

 

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That's not the point I'm making. The point I am making is that with the amount of time you have been spending in MP this alpha, it is not humanly possible to put enough time in SP to be able to draw a valid conclusion that there is too much ammo loot.

 

Still a false assumption. I took whole days off to play.

 

And again, mp requires MORE ammo, because instead of x amount being divided up by 1 single player it's divided up by several. The world doesn't spawn more ammo because more people are on.

[MajorMunchy]

before this gets wiped, no politics allowed on the forums, do remember he lost the popular vote

 

hmm did not know that! ( i dont follow politics)

[madmole]

You are taking things too literally. Does it makes more sense if we forget about radiation and just say there is something in the environment that is in all plants and animals and makes humans sick? Maybe it's an alien life form, maybe it's magic, maybe it's some new form of particle that was not previously discovered. Who knows? Why is this so important to cram into a logic box?

 

Its whatever we say it is. To the player its food poisoning. In reality it is some unknown contaminant that seemed to happen around the time of the bombing and zombie outbreak.

[Star69]

I wouldn''t swear by it, but I do not believe so. But if she did, it wouldn't be more than 1 point. She was going Int and Str.

I am married after all... so Ive been wrong way more than once.

I will double check with her though.

 

Thanks for the response

Obviously you haven’t been married long enough otherwise you’d know that you’re ALWAYS wrong!

[madmole]

Agreed... problem is the game doesn't label/describe things this way.

 

We could always call it "food contamination" but that seems less intuitive to a new player and to common sense.

[Senkan]

Is there a way to mute some people in this thread? Or just view Fun Pimp employees?

 

Unless your complaining improves everyone's experience I'm not sure what purpose it has here. We're all in this together.

[unlike them]

Guppy, why do you even complain about balance (difficulty, ammo, loot etc)? Obviously a sandbox game cannot be balanced for everyone, especially in early access. You can mod, there are new mods every day, let's be happy we have this opportunity. When I whine, I whine about things we cannot change in XML.

[Brian9824]

We could always call it "food contamination" but that seems less intuitive to a new player and to common sense.

 

Well could always add the contamination bit to the journal entry that comes up describing Dysenterry. TBH I have a few thousand hours in 7dtd and until you said contamination I thought it didn't make much sense myself.

 

After hearing you call it contamination and thinking of it in terms of that it does make more sense

[LewZephyr]

Obviously you haven’t been married long enough otherwise you’d know that you’re ALWAYS wrong!

 

ROFL, valid point.

22 years, and yeah your mostly right. "I run my house...." She tells me I can say that..... and on occasion she tells me I am right... I think its more to keep me guessing.

[Guppycur]

I like food contamination. It makes sense and gets to the point.

[Kattla]

We could always call it "food contamination" but that seems less intuitive to a new player and to common sense.

 

Quite the opposite in my opinion, at least when thinking it over. Contamination sounds more like it is made by either dirty matter or in a crude place. Both which is possibly true in the setting we play 7d2d.

 

Still, i am not a native english speaker, so the words could have different "weight" for all that i do not know.

[Brian9824]

Guppy, why do you even complain about balance (difficulty, ammo, loot etc)? Obviously a sandbox game cannot be balanced for everyone, especially in early access. You can mod, there are new mods every day, let's be happy we have this opportunity. When I whine, I whine about things we cannot change in XML.

 

Well just because you can modify it yourself doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.

 

That being said balance is hard and subjective. I've also noticed what seems to be an overabundance of weapons/ammo/tools, but thats my taste. I don't think I should be able to consistently be finding steel tools before level 10 without some form of degradation like we used to have.

 

I'm still playing though and haven't reached end game and formed any final opinions.

[madmole]

@MadMole, really enjoying the new Alpha (just like I said before), a few small suggestions:

The "Craft wood frames with wood" loading tip is super useless. It should be removed and changed with something more useful like "Right click to power attack"

 

Also, trader doors should be automatically closed when the trader closes (or any time traders are loaded after unload). It's kind of weird to open the doors to the traders, leave them open, then come back after a few days and still see them open.

 

Noted.

 

I think it might be fairly easy to make them auto close after a bit, but not until the next alpha.

[joshwa0816]

Is there a way to mute some people in this thread? Or just view Fun Pimp employees?

 

Unless your complaining improves everyone's experience I'm not sure what purpose it has here. We're all in this together.

 

view profile, add to ignore list. Worked like a charm to hide all the crying.

[madmole]

Madmole,

 

You stated to not mess with the settings of loot and what not so as not to mess with the game stage, got it. Would lengthening the days be detrimental to how you level in the game and how you balanced it, or is designed all around a 60 minute day.

 

You can change whatever settings you like. Longer days means more time to do things between the next horde, but every time you level that horde will get nastier, so it depends if you want to get some easier hordes under your belt early game, or level a lot and deal with a nastier horde.

 

I only suggest playing vanilla settings until you know what you are doing and see what happens by default. I feel that default settings are balanced pretty well.

[HungryZombie]

If we've thousands of rounds and concrete before we see glowies, are glowies even going to be an issue? Sure, the first day is tough, but that can be attributed to a18 learning curve (i.e. bows/arrows are useless, and clubs hit distance is well within zombie reach distance), but you find items pretty quickly to bring you to mid-game well before you face mid-game threats. I think that's the overall point. I've zero interest in playing a threatless mid-game for real time hours and hours just to get to late game to even find out the answer to your question, but I suspect the answer is "I'll feel the same way".

 

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Bottom line are that all of these are balance issues and of course due to the streamlining to cater to newbies. A18 is a solid, solid alpha in terms of performance (for me, sorry guys!), quality (looks and sounds great) and mod-ability (for the most part, but I know it's going to come full circle). It's 10x better than a17 and is what a17 should have been.

 

Fair enough. There is plenty of balancing to be done. I think they are headed in the right direction though.

[Bubo]

Is there a way to mute some people in this thread?...

 

Go to 'Settings' - Under My Settings on the left side of the page: Edit Ignore List

 

Or just view Fun Pimp employees?

 

http://7d2d.rocks/madmole.php

[Doctor3D]

Thanks. I appreciate the time you took for all this information, but that information is useless for me as I have played this game solo for enough years.

What about the information I was looking for?

I am hoping to see settings (number of hordes, number alive, day length, difficulty, loot chance), day #, gamestage, and how much ammo you have in storage at the moment.

 

Yeah as I said the only thing I did different from box settings was put the game difficulty on one notch above default. When I set up a server and play 'for real' and not just experimenting I play with different settings depending on the number of people playing and the server's performance.

 

You're focusing a bit more on horde night more than I am as far as my issue with ammo quantity. My issue stems from how quickly you even start to get ammo accumulated. How fast that primitive part of the game is gone, how fast the part to where you're charring meat, drinking piss water, thinking a moldy sandwhich looks appetizing, happy to have 5 bullets with a rusty almost broke gun for a just incase situation, etc - just disappears. It's but a blip (if at all) in the game now. - Been a few alphas, but that was a thrilling part of the game.

 

But, no I have not made it to a couple months in the game to see if the dynamic changes on later gamestages to where ammo is becoming a problem. It very well might...But I would probably lose interest before then is all I'm saying. In A17 I played for about 300 game days before I put the game down in Feb, and the start (as far as the accumulation) was very similar to this.

 

Again, My primary point arises from the fact that even before a month in the game I'm exclusively using ammo and don't fear losing it or attracting attention. Using the ammo is the most viably efficient way to play--even so early. At least for me it is, I can loot faster and accumulate other things faster when I expend ammo than I can when I use melee. I clear more buildings per hour while using a gun..so while I use more ammo per day - I also get more per day. Which means, I don't even get to play the primitive part - unless I just force myself too for role-playing.

 

I concede that on Day 63 I might get a horde night that might require me to spit out all my ammo all in one go to avoid tower collapse. I doubt it - because you can constantly increase ammo supply relatively easily. Once established, making ammo is one of the things I do the most. Possibly even more now in A18..Because, from what I can see so far, crafting most other things is not a priority. But, I don't know that yet. We shall see. That has just been my experience and impression so far.

 

There's lots of great things about this Alpha..I REALLY don't want to step all over it with negativity. But, the abundance of loot, reduction of meaningful crafting, and lack of outside zeds to threaten the towns are concerns for me.

 

The game could very well change like MadMole said a few days ago to where there's periods of where you're OP and periods to where you're struggling again and it cycles. If so - hey great. I just haven't got there yet. Either way though - I don't like how fast mid-game starts..is all i'm saying.

[madmole]

Here is my opinion regarding some changes.

 

Food poisoning:

I neither like it nor hate it. It's just here. However... I have some issues with this mechanic early in the game as it prevents me from playing the way I would prefer. If you are a player who interact with trader this mechanic becomes meaningless since the day one. Start buried treasure quests or just go for fetch/clean missions and get more than enough food to ignore poison mechanic.

For me playing with trader is like using easy mode that comes with a cost of tedious "go 2km one way to clear house in no time, get back and grab another travel 2km quest".

If you are a player like me who prefer to ignore trader, poison mechanic is an overkill early in the game. I had whole 35 pieces of grilled meat in a day 1 and you know what happened once i decided to eat some food to fill my hunger? I ate everything but in the end i dropped from something about 70 hunger to 60. Even if i don't like it i had to a trader and start questing. From this point i never had any problems related to "food poison" anymore.

 

 

Hunting perks

Personally it feels strange that perks related to "hunting" are in different categories. "Animal tracker" in perception, "Huntsman" in fortitude and "Archery" in Agility.

I believe all this 3 should be merged together under "Archery" category. Why i think like that? First of all because combination of bow and hunting animals feels good, at least better than hunting deer with a machine gun. Secondly because "Archery" feels whatever in general. Bow/Crossbow isn't as powerfull as firearms, they are much slower, more risky and it takes much more time to gather bow/crossbow ammunition materials (im talking about feathers) compared to firearms ammo. Little buff wouldnt hurt.

 

 

Flurry of blows

Should be moved (back?) to strenght category. While it affects speed of your melee attacks (and every category offers some melee combat weapon) it also affects your mining speed (and harvesting speed but i believe it's a bug just like "salvage operations" not affecting wrench harvesting speed at all).

 

I occasionally think flurry of blows should be merged with every perk or deleted and books/drugs give you that effect.