Erik Louden Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Bah, snowflakes. I think their gonna be angrier if they don't get that backpack video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUST2DEATH Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 New post on Twitter: https://twitter.com/joelhuenink/status/1049812749742555137 Ice vignette. Do. Not. Want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Ice vignette. Do. Not. Want. It does make you wonder where the cooler is getting the electricity from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUST2DEATH Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It does make you wonder where the cooler is getting the electricity from. I was meaning this Less stuff on the screen pls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshiel Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 maybe you guys could eventually do weapon skins i kinda liked the clear shotgun. . . mirror shotgun? meh dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakoff Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Please steal the smart stacking feature from Boundless. OMG it is brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drithyl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The buildings in the skill screenshot look amazing. Love those wall corners, brick textures and windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Holy crap. I'm reading up on the A* pathfinding, and what? I'll have to read it again. I get the gist of it, but the different lists, and adding more lists to decide actually shortest path. Though based on what I've read, it goes through the path of least resistance that is adjacent, but what if another path actually becomes the shortest later on, but would only be accessible if they would have taken a different path earlier? Such as the walls, doors, etc. Is there a way to make it determine different paths then choose the shortest overall? A* is not the hard part for us, since we are using a 3rd party library. Our complexity is in the scanning system that looks at the world and makes the layers of nodes linking each grid cell to its 4 neighbors plus any extra links for jumping. We have to deal with multiple grids, that move around the world and each can be partially updated. There are partial blocks and moving (door) blocks. There are links through blocks if you could stand next to the blocks, since you can destroy anything, so anything could be a path if it is reachable. Costs also have to account for double blocks, since a path goes through a low and high block. Tall buildings can have grids with 100k-200k nodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Finally, a real question. The zombies recalculate the shortest path every so often, 10 seconds for 7dtd if I remember correctly. The pathing is relative, it's determined from wherever the zombie happens to be at the time, they have no memory or ability to predict shorter paths. Paths need to be generated rapidly. About every 1-2 seconds. Imaging a zombie chasing you. Every 10 seconds and he would always be going to an old location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1) I can expand on it, I've got a reasonably good understanding of it. 2) It's not really a case of how far a Z can see, it depends on the total movement cost of getting to you. Essentially every block within a certain area has a point cost to move across it. The lighter the block (including air blocks) the fewer points it costs to move there. There's an exception for doors which cost less than they should to make doors more likely to be attacked. If the total point cost of walking around the maze is less than the total cost of breaking through the wall then they will walk around. Hidden blocks are calculated as well. Pretty smart for something whose prefrontal cortex is dribbling out of their nose. :-) Anyone interested in the new pathfinding system should watch this... Note: fataal has said that the 7dtd system doesn't calculate diagonals, probably because the zombie would try to path through two blocks diagonally adjacent when it cannot actually walk there. We do have diagonals, but that is a post process step after A* makes a path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Paths need to be generated rapidly. About every 1-2 seconds. Imaging a zombie chasing you. Every 10 seconds and he would always be going to an old location. I'm just trying to keep it simple for the non code-monkeys. Honestly? I thought you would have varied the update time depending on distance from the nearest player. Pin-point accuracy isn't really necessary when the Z is far away. I've no idea if the reduction in system resource usage would be worth the extra time and code though. Always got to plan for worst case scenario which in this case would be lots of zombies very close with obstructions in the way, something like a maze perhaps? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I'm just trying to keep it simple for the non code-monkeys. Honestly? I thought you would have varied the update time depending on distance from the nearest player. Pin-point accuracy isn't really necessary when the Z is far away. I've no idea if the reduction in system resource usage would be worth the extra time and code though. Always got to plan for worst case scenario which in this case would be lots of zombies very close with obstructions in the way, something like a maze perhaps? :-) Yes it is necessary to update it. Humoring you here. Imagine a big fat Dishong tower and a zombie that just spotted you halfway inside through a crack on the floor 80 blocks away. He would then just come through the stairs, rooms and obstacles in your general direction right? Nope, banging at a wall spinning around is what he would probably do. Faatal could just only use that general direction optimization thing in a flat biome with no obstacles because a flat forest doesn't have obstacles, or does it? .Voxel game mate, there is no easy way out of this and AI is a pain in the btt so big that you will need to splint your fingers everyday just to have a simple "go there and make a sandwitch" notion added to a zombie. I'm actually quite comfortable that he will achieve great things. I mean, his name literally means "God is gracious" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1-2 seconds is worse case when actively chasing a target. There are many modes and factors for when a path gets generated. A* walking through the nodes is probably the fastest part, so nothing I'm concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CplCritter Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 New post on Twitter: https://twitter.com/joelhuenink/status/1049812749742555137 The cooler looks awesome in my opinion (regardless of where the phantom electricity is coming from). I'm not a huge fan of the increased damage per one-shot kill with a firearm. Melee weapon, sure - adrenaline could account for the extra damage. Regardless of my opinion, I'm excited to get in there and test it out! I'm sure there will be more than one situation where I will be thankful for the stacking damage percentages... Boss fight strategies are running through my head now. Big +1 for the aiming fatigue. That will help balance out the OPness of firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4sheetzngeegles Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Aiming Unlock?? I have a few questions, Regarding: Skill List, Specific example Deadeye. Reading it Shows a gain of 50% aiming time reduction, and 30% reload reduction. So does that mean that all of the Vanilla playthroughs shall start off with, a programmed intentional aiming deficit, that will/must be overcome after continuous use? How is the new aiming achieved, is it through, extending the use of the natural yaw that already exists, in the hands, in the game, now? If aiming is handicapped in such a way, does it also apply to the crosshair, bushpunch or rock gather, or is it localized to firearms? Last will this deficit/handicap be hard coded in or just, limited to Vanilla players.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoops Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I missed the questions regarding the bag but i think that maybe it's possible you have added a optional crafted pouch/container that you can put in a slot to hold certain items, like food only, or plants/seeds etc.. ? Just a thought with some hints that where said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SxR Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9) NO. Immersion Warriors have cause to smile and nod their heads in agreement with each other and smirk at those who don't agree with them due to the recent changes. Wait what? What's going on? So many backpack questions. Where's all this coming from? Have we just established an 'Encumberance' system? Oh christ.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CplCritter Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Wait what? What's going on? So many backpack questions. Where's all this coming from? Have we just established an 'Encumberance' system? Oh christ.. You called? Ha - kidding. Yes, that is what I gathered from it too. Be ready to run in slow motion like the intro to Baywatch while carying your forest-worth of lumber on your back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkir1 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Why is it that the ONLINE community is so toxic, I tried to play online on multiple different servers and none of the servers would accept someone to comer play with them when they were new. Ive only played solo play for the past 4 years, and went to try online and no one would accept. This is why the game has no potential outsidfe of playing with friends. Trash community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SxR Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Why is it that the ONLINE community is so toxic, I tried to play online on multiple different servers and none of the servers would accept someone to comer play with them when they were new. Ive only played solo play for the past 4 years, and went to try online and no one would accept. This is why the game has no potential outsidfe of playing with friends. Trash community. It's a kill or be killed scenario in game. People will usually prefer to keep to themselves. Trust is a big component for the serious players. Personally I lucked out when I said I was a first time player, I made two really great friends by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkir1 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 the game is amazing, A17 will be even better, Im opening a gaming center in Texas and 7 days will be one of the main games I host, but the overall community, being afraid to inv new players, is just gonna kill any chance it has to go mainstream. main concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SxR Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 the game is amazing, A17 will be even better, Im opening a gaming center in Texas and 7 days will be one of the main games I host, but the overall community, being afraid to inv new players, is just gonna kill any chance it has to go mainstream. main concern. wat? A gaming center? Like, an Internet Cafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieHorde Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We do have diagonals, but that is a post process step after A* makes a path. Sounds inefficient if it's not done during the A* calculations? In theory, pathfinding would be better if using a parallel processor, right? Only reason it's not done that way is because in most games the GPU is throttled to max and little CPU usage. In 7 days, though, that's not the case. So can I ask, have you managed to convert the A* code to use the GPU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I would like to but....twenty questions would be so much more fun and draw it out so much longer. Does the backpack stick to zombies when shot at them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamer1337 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 aiming takes stamina really? whos getting tired while aiming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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