madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 I don't do pure builds. In the beginning I mainly go for strength and fortitude for mining and melee. The club is my main weapon during the early game. Later in the game I shift towards perception and agility for stealth. Personally I think the Magnum and the SMG are the wrong weapons for stealth. A bow or the crossbow fit much better. Quiet and deadly. And I play long games. 200-300 hours in a single game are not uncommon. I only get bored when I run out of ideas for base building. Nobody in their right mind would do a pure build. Bows, knives, pistol, smg and magnum are governed by agility. Agility is not about just about being stealthy. Every attribute has some decent zombie stopping power and melee now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestInPieces Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 It will be cool too see several different feasible approaches [...] Surely the way of defending may differ depending on spec but I think it is almost criminal to make the TD/building elements of the game, a "subset" of the RPG elements. Any build imo should universally be dependent on them, with no builds that can skip them fully or partially, and none should have to specialize in building or heavy traps in order to utilize them better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Worry not, the genetic similarity between chickens and humans is 60%. Similar with bananas and humans ~60%. P.S. Don`t be so confused, we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees. And around 60% of the fruit fly, which lives for a day or something. But we have the spark that makes us self aware when needed. If no need of change, you are good. I Just google this after reading your post, damn you are right. Finally I have a legit excuse, damn my chicken genetics! lmao. EDIT: I want to find a canibal and ask if humans taste like chicken now. morbid curiosity I know, anyways back on topic now before jumping down to far of this rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Demolishers I got to ask. At this game stage why are we not seeing demolishers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaroff Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Where are we with the MFs? and when do you see A18 EXP rolling out? last time I heard it was August. August is all but done and that day 77 Horde night video seemed to look like A18 is ready. Any info on this would be great! overall it looks great and I can't wait to sink my teeth into it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Good point, I guess I'm only remembering the good things about the old system lol. Really....I've never witnessed other players using the bars in that way. I always thought it was weird more players did not figure it out. Those bars are a god sent. I also use the bars overhead in order to keep the vultures out during horde night. Basically I have a big cage made out of bars surrounding my base for horde nights. works great. I never thought of that, but I'm a tank so they are like mosquito bites to this build, maybe as a light armored character I might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerfly Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I Just google this after reading your post, damn you are right. Finally I have a legit excuse, damn my chicken genetics! lmao. EDIT: I want to find a canibal and ask if humans taste like chicken now. morbid curiosity I know, anyways back on topic now before jumping down to far of this rabbit hole. But as humans we can constantly improve ourselves, not just accept what it is. Sort of the best perk in life. Don`t forget that. *double click on 7dtd icon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Good point, I guess I'm only remembering the good things about the old system lol. Really....I've never witnessed other players using the bars in that way. I always thought it was weird more players did not figure it out. Those bars are a god sent. I also use the bars overhead in order to keep the vultures out during horde night. Basically I have a big cage made out of bars surrounding my base for horde nights. works great. Yeah. They can be used as floors if you want. Kind of like murder holes in castles. I use wood frames for that because they are cheaper and I can move them when I want to. To form other things quickly. Like into stairs to get up to my base from the ground. The cage idea, I thought about since starting in Alpha 9.3. Back when giant hornets were the flying terror. But I never really used them because flying things were not much of a bother until latter Alphas and only in some biomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrslyGTFO Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Once A18 drops I'll be creating the new 7D2D channel so you will have a little competition my friend Nice! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yeah. They can be used as floors if you want. Kind of like murder holes in castles. I use wood frames for that because they are cheaper and I can move them when I want to. To form other things quickly. Like into stairs to get up to my base from the ground. The cage idea, I thought about since starting in Alpha 9.3. Back when giant hornets were the flying terror. But I never really used them because flying things were not much of a bother until latter Alphas and only in some biomes. yeah. I wish I had pics to show. I build floors, walls and a ceiling out of bars on the upper outside part of my base. You can shoot in all directions and nothing can get you besides puke. I also make my base spider proof so they cannot climb up my walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrslyGTFO Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I never thought of that, but I'm a tank so they are like mosquito bites to this build, maybe as a light armored character I might. I was really impressed how you only got the bleeding effect once in all those nibbles. In A17, you would've been decimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 yeah. I wish I had pics to show. I build floors, walls and a ceiling out of bars on the upper outside part of my base. You can shoot in all directions and nothing can get you besides puke. I also make my base spider proof so they cannot climb up my walls. Why don't you have pics? For me all I have to do is go into game and press F12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Why don't you have pics? For me all I have to do is go into game and press F12. I wiped my pc last week and did a clean install of windows 10 in preperation for A18 and my channel. I never backed up my saves like an idiot or else I would just load it up and take a few screen shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingblade2040 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 when it comes to the spikes are the metal ones going to be bumped up a bit for hp? they just seem to get wrecked as fast as the wood ones for the cost it takes to make them. also I loved the horde night video it was amazing and can't wait till experimental comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 My base is reinforced concrete with 2 deep spike trench by the wall, multiple oh ♥♥♥♥ rooms and choke points. I'd have turrets but I can't find any SMG parts to craft them. But its up to you, I'm good with guns, so that is my thing, you can build more advanced bases, I never had a need. Depends if you hate grinding for ammo and personal preference. This base is not optimal since its got a bunch of fancy pretty stuff that is non functional. I might build a new multi horde tower like I used in previous alphas (a11 era) or wait til next game and see how it holds up, now that its actually needed. For me, the problem isn't grinding. I love grinding. Or to be exact I love mining. I just don't like firearms. Currently I am building a base with 24 dart traps, 12 blade traps and 36 electric fences. The dart traps hold a total of 36000 darts. To make the darts I need 21600 raw iron and 36000 clay. And I am looking forward to spend some time in my mines to collect the ressources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Please guys, make sure that the player can't evade or outrun zombies on nightmare speed. I am tired of hearing "what's the point of building a base or struggling to defend, since we can just run away" from people I am introducing the game to - and I can't blame them. We'll get to that when we can, its a bit more work to not break everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 You guys still talk to the original backer you modeled the spider zed from? I bet he would get a chuckle how badass his zed is still doing. Haven't heard from him in years, I hope he likes the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Is there any (practical) effect when a zombie is missing arms? -Morloc Not really but probably could engineer something like they do less damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 yeah. I wish I had pics to show. I build floors, walls and a ceiling out of bars on the upper outside part of my base. You can shoot in all directions and nothing can get you besides puke. I also make my base spider proof so they cannot climb up my walls. The downside of iron bars is the cops see you and then puke in your direction. I had the problem in A16 that cops constantly broke my iron bars during the horde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Haven't heard from him in years, I hope he likes the game! Thats to bad. Hmmmm I wonder what he thinks of the game at this stage. Thank you Tom for looking the way you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Very glad you can keep up with this. Now all you have to do is remind past Joel not to do that. He is a long time lurker but rarely posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicUs5000 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Wow, I have a treat for you guys.... I recorded day 77 and it was super intense! Sorry no behemoth spawned, but I promise you some crazy action. I will need to farm 2k rounds for the next horde and have another m60 on my belt Uploading now. Here you go: The ragdolling is awesome. The quick-switch of weapons is even more awesome. Moments like these are why I argue so much for maintaining the integrity of horde nights by removing any elements of cheese. Other aspects of the game are important of course, but these are the pinnacle moments in the game for me... my reason and purpose for playing the next 7 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Yeah. They can be used as floors if you want. Kind of like murder holes in castles. I use wood frames for that because they are cheaper and I can move them when I want to. And you can press E to remove the frame under your feet during the horde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliphas the Inheritor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 We'll get to that when we can, its a bit more work to not break everything. Maybe modify the stun chance so that even a hit can be fatal since, with a 90% chance to be stunned or so...you will be an animal trapped in a cage, with no real chance to evade. I don't know how can you get away from zombies on nightmare speed, since your stamina is limited...and if the players say "Well, I got a minibike to run from the zombies", then so be it, run from the zombies with the minibike, but use a lot of fuel in doing so, since it can be pretty hard at times to maintain a vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Maybe modify the stun chance so that even a hit can be fatal since, with a 90% chance to be stunned or so...you will be an animal trapped in a cage, with no real chance to evade. I don't know how can you get away from zombies on nightmare speed, since your stamina is limited...and if the players say "Well, I got a minibike to run from the zombies", then so be it, run from the zombies with the minibike, but use a lot of fuel in doing so, since it can be pretty hard at times to maintain a vehicle. The thing I do not understand concerning evading bloodmoon is, do people not understand that if someone wants to evade it they can just log off the server till BM is over with. Anyways I just had to throw that out there. I will not say anything else about this as it has already been addressed. "Things People Wonder and Worry About" + No level cap for A18 + No Learn by Doing in A18 + No Blood Moon escape prevention in A18 <----------- + No Behemoth or Ziplines in A18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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