madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Personally I like complex mechanics in my survival games, look no further than Conan Exiles. Problem with CE is you cant dig or destroy the map and well its not Zombies but the complex crafting system is realistic and very immersive and I hope 7D2D will get there or at least get close to that at some point. If not then no worries I am still going to be happy. I was talking with my friend the other day and the topic of "whats your favorite game of all time" came up. I explained to him that 7D2D is my all time favorite game because its complex in its own right and you have to constantly be playing. Whether its gathering materials by looting POI's to digging out an area of the map that you are making your base at. There is an infinite number of ways to play and you can literally do what ever you want in the game. There is no mundane story path you have to go through or anything. its truly open world and you can do whatever you want. He said League of Legends was his... a sad way to end that discussion in deed as LoL is the polar opposite of 7D2D. I can't tell you all how many times my wife saw me running like a mad man through the house desperately trying to get back to my computer because i went AFK to get a drink or use the restroom only to hear on my wireless headset that my character was getting attacked by a Z. truly a helpless feeling. That my fellow survivors is how you know when 7D2D is your Favorite game of all time. Nothing is more evident than when your on the porcelain throne doing your business while listening hopelessly as your character is getting devoured. if you want to kill this game just give it the Bernie Sanders treatment and give everyone everything free without having to work for it. I know that will never happen but the day i start a new game with a lvl 6 gun, lvl 6 tools, lvl 6 auger, Is the day i stop playing. This was a great read, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 SOT, “Spoilage Over Time”, there we go. Let the topic begiiiiin!! I think all acronyms needs to end in BD, because it just sounds funny. SBD. Spoil by Decaying lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 There is another strange thing: I damolish building, run away at 100 meters, look back and.... It still WAS there! Walk to it and at 30 meter distance it dissapier. WTF?! Sorry for bad english Buildings are imposters. There is a modder we're working with a bit that is working on distant buildings updating to show destruction, but performance is a big concern, but it is a technical proof of concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerial Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 If we switched to static terrain and isolated voxels we'd pretty much solve water, fps woes and slow vehicles all in one fairly easy to do move. I have often wondered if there might be a way to combine static and voxel terrain to improve fps. Like only doing voxels 3-4 deep for terrain until the player starts digging and then converting to voxels as the player moves into what would have been static terrain. And grass. Would it make sense to get rid of grass as a separate, harvestable voxel and just make it part of the ground block? The last couple of alphas have seen grass become less and less important (I'd argue we really don't need grass clothing now that we have a weather-protection buff at the beginning) and it seems like a lot of items to spawn and make destructible for little gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayerGM Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I think all acronyms needs to end in BD, because it just sounds funny. SBD. Spoil by Decaying lol. SBD is squat benchpress deadlift, you should know better MadMole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Spoilage will never be a legit topic to discuss until it has a three letter acronym.... Dynamic Universal Degradation. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsKill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Buildings are imposters. There is a modder we're working with a bit that is working on distant buildings updating to show destruction, but performance is a big concern, but it is a technical proof of concept. Thank you for answer! Not very big problem, but sometimes want to destroy entire town =) Grind to dust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 R.O.T. (reduced olfactory transition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayerGM Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Compare us to minecraft and you'll see how far we've come. All the limits are because of a fully destroyable world. It makes everything more expensive. Lighting, AI and pathing, reflections, shadows. In non destroyable worlds all that stuff is preprocessed and baked into the world but in a fully destroyable world you have to do everything at run time so it eats way more cpu, so its very challenging to look as good as other games that aren't fully destroyable and have decent framerate. You've come very far graphicswise! And that is a huge deal! ..however minecraft can have servers with hundreds of players and hundreds of animals. How about that? - - - Updated - - - Players: OMG we need food spoilage nao! TFP: Sure. Your food will spoil. Players: OMG this is horrible! All my food is just rotting away! We need working refrigerators nao! TFP: Okay, have some refrigerators, gated by appropriate electrical engineering perks. Players: OMG this is horrible! Intellect is now the only way to play the game! TFP: Sigh. Fine. Everyone will be able to craft ice boxes that use up snow as fuel. Players: OMG this is horrible! My map does not have a snow biome conveniently close! This is broken! TFP: FINE. Everyone will be able to craft ice boxes that always work. Players: Meh. Food is way too easy to manage. This sucks. TFP: WTF guys? I understand your point, but I felt compelled to show also the side of the comminity that doesn't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I think all acronyms needs to end in BD, because it just sounds funny. SBD. Spoil by Decaying lol. An acronym has to be pronounced as a word though. So maybe FATS: Food Atrophy Trepidation System Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I thought you were going to support me on this! For sure I've always been on board for "spoilage by decay" Now that we have the acronym I'm unleashed. SBD is a key component of survival games in my opinion. If 7 Days to Die wants to be a survival-lite game with more of the emphasis placed on killing zombies and tower defense and character development that is certainly up to the developers, but I would like to see the survival aspect beefed up. Absolutely make it optional so arcade players can have their fun too but there is a huge chunk of survival missing by not having "spoilage by decay" along with the tech progression of preservation that goes with it. It doesn't even need to be complex. Make it an abstract system like other games are already doing and call it done. But with SBD farming will be more meaningful, hunting will be more meaningful, looting canned food will be more meaningful, and obtaining the tech to preserve food (which we get now for free) will be another game objective. If there isn't time now- at least keep it as a consideration for later because it seems like a glaring omission from the survival aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frekton Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 He's done but I'm too busy to bother You guys will have something else to occupy your day with. The day is slipping by and there is no occupying going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryZombie Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Remove them with your preferred weapon. You won't have many players left if you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I think all acronyms needs to end in BD, because it just sounds funny. SBD. Spoil by Decaying lol. Spoiled Boys are Delusional? No? ok sorry. Zombie Boy Confirmed...neither? mmm, maybe I'm delusional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 QoL [sug] Can you all look into adding enough crafting queue slots for the player, so all the grass fiber clothing items can fit in all the queue slots in the beginner quest? Edit: Or just adjust the quest a bit, to only need a few pieces of clothing, enough to let the newbies players know you can craft them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Patch incoming! ALL ABOARD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 SBD is squat benchpress deadlift, you should know better MadMole I Squat By Doing every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 You've come very far graphicswise! And that is a huge deal! ..however minecraft can have servers with hundreds of players and hundreds of animals. How about that? - - - Updated - - - I understand your point, but I felt compelled to show also the side of the comminity that doesn't want it. Not when I played it. I played solo and got a sizable castle with fenced in farm animals and it got unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 An acronym has to be pronounced as a word though. So maybe FATS: Food Atrophy Trepidation System I have a cat named FATS. I call him Shats for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I have a cat named FATS. I call him Shats for fun. I like the cut of your jib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2n1 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Buildings are imposters. There is a modder we're working with a bit that is working on distant buildings updating to show destruction, but performance is a big concern, but it is a technical proof of concept. If this is done, i will be really surprised...this is a very difficult task. We know him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 17.3 Kraken: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?117027-Alpha-17-3-Experimental-B18-bug-reporting-thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poutre Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 17.3 Kraken: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?117027-Alpha-17-3-Experimental-B18-bug-reporting-thread holy smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberz Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Something of note to modders, we can now make new icons that have symbols overlaid on them, like in the top left corner. So if we make a schematic for an item we can overlay any of the UI symbols over them. So for gun parts, I might just overlay a gun part icon over the original ak47 icon. This saves atlas space and lets you build an icon. Useful for mods, gun parts, item archtypes, etc. Pretty cool. Sounds good but will they still be separate Atlases? It is easy to add new icons but still difficult to add new symbols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2n1 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I get in that debate all the time. At least workstation mods are coming. I would like to be able to power some work stations (mixer, saw) from electricity. That would be logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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