Gnomaana Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Deduction is the key here. AI is on a guys list , below gyrcopters, and hasnt been looked at after how many months of A17 development? 4, 5 ,6 ? Think about that and tell me if AI and bandits have enough priority to be in A17 You are assuming 1) it isbelow gyrocopters and 2) it hasn't been looked at. For 1, you have no way to know what priority it has. Are you basing it on his work on the gyro? From what I remember him posting, the gyro was something he did in an afternoon as a proof of concept of how easy vehicles are now with the changes in A17. For 2nd one, where did you get that information? Do you have access to all the Devs daily schedules? Just because Fataal has just now been handed the task, that doesn't mean it hasn't been worked on at all. It doesn't even imply it. Stop adding words to what you read. The sentence "Fataal was just assigned to work on AI." means literally what it says. It doesn't mean any the stuff you are making up in your head from what you are afraid will, or will not, be in A17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I was on the Medieval Engineers forum and Madmole is posting there too...couple of videos about 7DTD...you just have to look on the internet for info. You guys are clueless! Smh Ouch Link it or it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Link it or it didn't happen. Stalker sighted! -A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3) No information (at all) about potential AI improvements have been given out by TFP in Alpha 17 up to this point. Right? Of course, he might not be the only developer working on AI. But why would that be the right assumption? Name any other feature that had any information before it was practically complete? Vehicles? Nope, not a word until the new physics were in and working. Motion capture? I don't recall them mentioned until they were in and nearly complete. Roland posted at the beginning of the A17 thread that MM's rule this Alpha was no news until they were sure one way or other on new features/updates. As for the last sentence, who assumed other devs had already worked on AI? I don't see a single post of someone making that assumption. I see people refuting your assumption but other than that I see no mention one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 It's kinda funny to watch people assuming what other people assume about things they couldn't know. A bit like Schrِdinger's cat contemplating whether or not there is a mouse outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Stalker sighted! -A Link it or it didn't happen? - - - Updated - - - It's kinda funny to watch people assuming what other people assume about things they couldn't know. A bit like Schrِdinger's cat contemplating whether or not there is a mouse outside the box. Schrِdinger's mouse is the solution. Besides... some of us LIKE to make asses out of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfbain5 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Link it or it didn't happen? - - - Updated - - - Schrِdinger's mouse is the solution. Besides... some of us LIKE to make asses out of ourselves. should we rename you to Jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The part I'm most curious about is whether the mouse is conditional of the cat or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Poor faatal... Did he really get the job of improving the zombie AI single handed? If so, what are the chances it will be fixed for A17? Reading this forum, you definitely notice that this is not he's only job... Oh well, its still gonna be fun with the new vehicles, graphics improments and quests! I'm not worried. I've done AI before and this stuff is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 You are assuming 1) it isbelow gyrocopters and 2) it hasn't been looked at. For 1, you have no way to know what priority it has. Are you basing it on his work on the gyro? From what I remember him posting, the gyro was something he did in an afternoon as a proof of concept of how easy vehicles are now with the changes in A17. For 2nd one, where did you get that information? Do you have access to all the Devs daily schedules? Just because Fataal has just now been handed the task, that doesn't mean it hasn't been worked on at all. It doesn't even imply it. 1) The Gyro is much further along than any AI work since AI is only on his list and the Gyro is pretty far along and even showed off in a video. That part is obvious, read between the lines man. Gyro done first means it was higher in priority (right or wrong as it may be) 2) He also mentioned he wanted to fix the obvious problems which we can infer means the most basic pathing issues and running in circles, so if it was looked at already... nothing has been fixed. He is starting fresh 6 months into this Alpha. This means, no huge improvements which means no bandits 3) I hope you are not a detective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Everything I see so far is they are working on AI in some form or another and have been for quite awhile. I mean Yeah, the pathing abilities got funkified as time went on but they already are using parts of 2 or 3? different AI systems if you want to add the mechanims stuff. Who knows what else they have hidden from prying eye's. They also have a semi working sorta faction system which is pretty neat. It at least tells me they are looking into and working on it in hopes to get it how they would like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The part I'm most curious about is whether the mouse is conditional of the cat or not. Schrِdinger's cat might just prefer trackballs instead of mice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavasMasta Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 all i want is information on the new stats and exp system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Name any other feature that had any information before it was practically complete? Vehicles? Nope, not a word until the new physics were in and working. Motion capture? I don't recall them mentioned until they were in and nearly complete. Roland posted at the beginning of the A17 thread that MM's rule this Alpha was no news until they were sure one way or other on new features/updates. As for the last sentence, who assumed other devs had already worked on AI? I don't see a single post of someone making that assumption. I see people refuting your assumption but other than that I see no mention one way or the other. Features on which there was information before it was practically complete. You mean this Alpha-cycle? Or in previous ones too? If the latter; bandits (mentioned already in A14 if I'm not mistaken). If the former; vehicles have been shown throughout 3-4 different videos over a timespan of a couple of months. So I'm not sure if I agree on your statement. No offence intended. And yep, MM's rule was that no news would get out about upcoming features until they were sure it would make A17. It would therefore be somewhat contradicting the same rule if, say, MM mentioned that the gyrocopter might not make it to A17. As for my last statement; I mentioned it for completeness-sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1) The Gyro is much further along than any AI work since AI is only on his list and the Gyro is pretty far along and even showed off in a video. That part is obvious, read between the lines man. Gyro done first means it was higher in priority (right or wrong as it may be) 2) He also mentioned he wanted to fix the obvious problems which we can infer means the most basic pathing issues and running in circles, so if it was looked at already... nothing has been fixed. He is starting fresh 6 months into this Alpha. This means, no huge improvements which means no bandits 3) I hope you are not a detective. 1) See the 2nd sentence of my reply. Also, another way to say "read between the lines" is "make sh%$ up and pretend it is fact." 2.) Did he mention which "obvious problems" he wants to fix? It could be exactly what you think but it could be the obvious problems left at this point. You HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW. 3.) I'm not trying to solve a murder, I'm reading posts on a forum about a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Everything I see so far is they are working on AI in some form or another and have been for quite awhile. I mean Yeah, the pathing abilities got funkified as time went on but they already are using parts of 2 or 3? different AI systems if you want to add the mechanims stuff. Who knows what else they have hidden from prying eye's. They also have a semi working sorta faction system which is pretty neat. It at least tells me they are looking into and working on it in hopes to get it how they would like it. Can I ask how you deduce this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3.) I'm not trying to solve a murder, I'm reading posts on a forum about a game. That's where you went wrong. The English language gets murdered here on a regular basis. Good news is that it is a zombie and immune to head shots. - - - Updated - - - I'm not worried. I've done AI before and this stuff is fun. While I can't claim I've ever programmed AI professionally, I will wholeheartedly agree it is fun stuff. As a mental exercise, building an expansive and fast AI system is about as tough as it gets. Know your boundaries and learn to live within them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Features on which there was information before it was practically complete. You mean this Alpha-cycle? Or in previous ones too? If the latter; bandits (mentioned already in A14 if I'm not mistaken). If the former; vehicles have been shown throughout 3-4 different videos over a timespan of a couple of months. So I'm not sure if I agree on your statement. No offence intended. And yep, MM's rule was that no news would get out about upcoming features until they were sure it would make A17. It would therefore be somewhat contradicting the same rule if, say, MM mentioned that the gyrocopter might not make it to A17. As for my last statement; I mentioned it for completeness-sake. Since this is A17 I don't really care what did or did not make it into or was even just discussed during A14. The gyrocopter was a proof of concept on ease of adding vehicles that went so well MM wanted to show it off. Read any more into it than that and you are just making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Well.. At least the discussion is now focussed on the game itself, and not on Guppy's toilet-rituals! And Guppy, for the record; yak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Guppy poops like a yak with a bad haircut. Am I doing it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Can I ask how you deduce this? look in the xmls. entityclasses.xml for the task/target and faction tags. look at the animals in the same file and how they're using mechanim for them to perform other tasks. utilAI.xml npc.xml for the faction break down. The varying different ai controllers they are using as well. All of These have been slowly being added build after build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1) See the 2nd sentence of my reply. Also, another way to say "read between the lines" is "make sh%$ up and pretend it is fact." 2.) Did he mention which "obvious problems" he wants to fix? It could be exactly what you think but it could be the obvious problems left at this point. You HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW. 3.) I'm not trying to solve a murder, I'm reading posts on a forum about a game. Okay I give up. U are right. Looking forward to the huge AI rework and bandits in A17! LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gepps Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Zombie AI We know AI has problems. I said maybe, because it has been passed to me to improve for A17, but I make no assumptions on how much better I can make it before A17 ships. Hopefully I will fix all the obvious issues. One thing that has always bugged me since the last change in AI in A16 was that zombies sight/light system did not take into account the gamma setting that people use. If you have the gamma set high you can see in the dark but the zombies cannot, this means that you can easily run from zombies at night early game with little or no danger. This also seems to be different indoors to outdoors as the variety of lights indoors seem to have inconsistent effects on the zombies. The big problem comes when the zombies AI loses sight of you, the AI does not seem to have the correct course of action for it. At the moment it almost seems like it runs to the point it last seen you, runs past it, then turns to run back to that point again and sometimes ends up running in circles. It should keep running in the direction it last seen you moving in, or stand still when it reaches the point it last seen you, or at least stop running and reset to its default wondering state. I assume the the new alert system will help all this and will allow the smell and sound will trigger the zombies interest in you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Okay I give up. U are right. Looking forward to the huge AI rework and bandits in A17! LOL. Please show me where I said there would be any of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Please show me where I said there would be any of that? U didnt because deep down u know im right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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