DUST2DEATH Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What about vehicles being found only in loot boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 @Roland (or any dev that can answer) With clay patches being removed. I have some questions that hopefully I can get answers to. Will we be getting full access to the texture atlas so we can add/edit our own textures to add clay back in? **without needing to hack the program to do so?What is the reasoning behind the clay patch removal? Is clay no longer a need like it was before?If Clay is still a need like it was before. Is there a new way to acquire large quantities for large build projects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer0076 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Yeah, I do play that the most. I guess I got all my mods and vanilla really mixed up. Ugh, I'm sorry. At least I got us an answer for clay deposits out of that, lol. lol No worries, we all play this game so much it all blurs into one sometimes And yes, you got us some good info out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancer0076 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 @Roland (or any dev that can answer) With clay patches being removed. I have some questions that hopefully I can get answers to. Will we be getting full access to the texture atlas so we can add/edit our own textures to add clay back in? **without needing to hack the program to do so?What is the reasoning behind the clay patch removal? Is clay no longer a need like it was before?If Clay is still a need like it was before. Is there a new way to acquire large quantities for large build projects? Man, I hate when people don't read the previous posts properly.... sigh Clay isn't being removed... read the posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Man, I hate when people don't read the previous posts properly.... sigh Clay isn't being removed... read the posts! Man, I hate when ppl don't read the post properly.. I said clay patches :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganky Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Tomorrow I might spit out some info. For now I'll just say I made some big vehicle changes this week and a big feature that was going to be pushed to A18, should be in A17e. Hum we wait for the Info;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdizzy2010 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Hum we wait for the Info;( Maybe they took out gas also! Oh no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69WithAzombie Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Man, I hate when ppl don't read the post properly.. I said clay patches :/ Man, I hate when haters hate. Say no to hate and lets celebrate that 7 days will finally get an update <3 Lets go on a date in a crate, its our fate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 First of all this is not a new change....just newly revealed. The change has been in place for months so it really has nothing to do with getting rights back for console. Secondly, it is not that you dig dirt and get some clay from it. It is that all dirt you dig other than sand is called “clay soil” and is what you use. So if anything the abundance of clay has increased by quite a magnitude. In other words, the only change is that you don’t have to find patches now. What you dig is essentially clay that can be used for all clay needs. It isn’t like the boulders where you get some soil and some clay and some ore and some etc...with every shovel strike. I think what was removed (but I haven’t checked the creative menu) was “forest soil” and “plains soil” and “burnt soil” and “grassy soil”. Now all soil is useable as clay for all clay dependent recipes. (Other than the desert biome) The only difference in gameplay is the need to open your map, find the closest reddish brown splotch, and go there. If you are in the desert you will have to exit the biome to get clay. I’m not sure how easy it will be to mod that back in for those who want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyjones Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Man, I hate when ppl don't read the post properly.. I said clay patches :/ hey bud, just thought I would try to help out to clarify by my understanding. Patches of clay are removed, but clay can be found in all soil types except sand. so I am guessing its still going to be needed, but you will get it from any type of ground. How much; I have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 hey bud, just thought I would try to help out to clarify by my understanding. Patches of clay are removed, but clay can be found in all soil types except sand. so I am guessing its still going to be needed, but you will get it from any type of ground. How much; I have no clue. Lots and lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Man, I hate when haters hate. Say no to hate and lets celebrate that 7 days will finally get an update <3 Lets go on a date in a crate, its our fate! pft, no hate. I gave it right back to the owner.. Now about that crate hey bud, just thought I would try to help out to clarify by my understanding. Patches of clay are removed, but clay can be found in all soil types except sand. so I am guessing its still going to be needed, but you will get it from any type of ground. How much; I have no clue. Lots and lots. Cool. ty for the answers that could be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 First of all this is not a new change....just newly revealed. The change has been in place for months so it really has nothing to do with getting rights back for console. Secondly, it is not that you dig dirt and get some clay from it. It is that all dirt you dig other than sand is called “clay soil” and is what you use. So if anything the abundance of clay has increased by quite a magnitude. In other words, the only change is that you don’t have to find patches now. What you dig is essentially clay that can be used for all clay needs. It isn’t like the boulders where you get some soil and some clay and some ore and some etc...with every shovel strike. I think what was removed (but I haven’t checked the creative menu) was “forest soil” and “plains soil” and “burnt soil” and “grassy soil”. Now all soil is useable as clay for all clay dependent recipes. (Other than the desert biome) The only difference in gameplay is the need to open your map, find the closest reddish brown splotch, and go there. If you are in the desert you will have to exit the biome to get clay. I’m not sure how easy it will be to mod that back in for those who want that. Not looking for the patches to return, I didn't like them either as they were an eyesore (imo) in fact in my mod I got asked to make them more noticeable when I tried to hide them I was asking mostly, so I could make them blocks (if they got removed) to make small prefab nodes out of them or hide the patches under a layer of terrain that had high vegetation as an indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 "Finding clay" has not been a cerebral challenge for anyone for umm... years? It had turned into yet another appendix that probably sounded like a good idea at one time. I see people loudly thinking about "bringing clay back" but I don't see anything about what gameplay loop that would be, what challenge that would pose and how it would be communicated to the player to make it a solve-able puzzle. "Bring clay back" is not a design. The A16 way is also not much of a design. That's why it got scrapped in the first place. We have interesting game features to tend to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 No one is on the ledge. In my opinion removing clay patches is stupid and unnecessary and no amount of trying to say how awesome it feels can change that. ...snip edge of the ledge talk... Doesn't mean some of us cant look at a game development choice and disagree with it. Jax, how about if we both agree that the other isn’t saying “you just shut up!” Okay? That way you can keep posting your fears and worst case scenarios and I can keep posting my impressions and the people can read both perspectives. When I say that the game is the best it’s ever been in my playing of it, that is in no way meant to stop you from expressing your dismay over what you think it’s going to be like. Feel free to continue to post your concerns. None of your posts expressing criticism have been deleted. I’ll continue to give my honest impressions and in this case getting my clay needs in every shovelful of non-sand non-snow non-wasteland terrain hasn’t detracted at all from my game. But, I can see your point of view about the whole picture when you look at wood, and meat, and soils and I encourage you to continue to push against simplification and streamlining and the “dumbing down” of the game. But you don’t need to couch your remarks with things like “what you say can’t stop me from disagreeing”. No duh. That’s a given. Keep on keeping on, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie04k Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 they have been simplifying the game for ages now, surprised people still are surprised by this, thats why i wait till mods that make the game interesting again are released every alpha. Same with recent bethesda games, just need to wait for mods to actually make the game good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 they have been simplifying the game for ages now, surprised people still are surprised by this, thats why i wait till mods that make the game interesting again are released every alpha. Same with recent bethesda games, just need to wait for mods to actually make the game good. And Jax’s own mod is one of those! I'm sure Ravenhearst will have awesome clay mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorGrey Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 First of all: I love this game and I‘m glad that TFP created it and develop it further. But I think it is important that many players give feedback to the alpha versions, so there will be an impression of what things are important for the community of players. Sure there are some things I‘m really looking forward too, like better performance, better zombie movement, more drivable vehicles,… but my anticipation for the A17 is shrinking every time I hear that TFP threw something out of the game and replaced it with… well, something „simplified“. I agree with most of the things JaxTeller718 says. … seems to be the Alpha where the game becomes an arcade game... And the argument that „we have not played it yet“ is not very strong. If you know the mechanics of the skill system for example, you can deduce how this part of the game will be. I understand that spam crafting is not the best way, but a perk system without any connections to the actions of the players is not better (even worse imo). (The harvesting perk is the one I hate the most.) Sure I will give the A17 a try, but my concern is, that the survival part of the game will be cut down very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 (The harvesting perk is the one I hate the most.) At the risk of possibly triggering some other segment of the player base I will say that the harvesting perk has changed since the video. There are now separate perks for harvesting materials from the land, harvesting crops from farms, and harvesting meat and gibs from animals. In this way you can certainly focus on hunting and do lots of hunting before purchasing ranks in the hunting perk and you can do lots of chopping and mining before purchasing a tier in that perk and you can do lots of farming before purchasing a perk tier in that. There absolutely doesn’t have to be any sort of feeling that you never farmed at all before spending a point there. Sure, you have the freedom to do that but since it’s not fun for you why would you? And now that the harvesting perk has been split into the three types of specific harvesting it makes it that much easier to play in a way that is true to what you want: Points spent to match those areas you are actually taking actions doing. Sure I will give the A17 a try, but my concern is, that the survival part of the game will be cut down very much. The survival aspect has never been so robust in my opinion. Hunger directly tied to stamina, hydration directly tied to wellness (recovery rate), huge slowdown in farming, huge reduction in easy zombie loot, more ways to get sick and suffer debilitating debuffs, much stiffer penalties for dying (if you don’t voluntarily play dead is dead that is) and by far the most thrilling survival risk of all—unbelievably improved zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Lots and lots. Good, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedui Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What about vehicles being found only in loot boxes? Must be very big loot boxes or very small vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What about vehicles being found only in loot boxes? As long as you can purchase loot boxes for 99 cents.. I'm all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedui Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 No major changes to mining that I can tell. Come down off your ledges. This particular streamlining move is welcome having played with it. The map looks much better without all the clay splotches. Honestly, Clay has been ubiquitous but in patches since around A11 and has been pointed out perfectly by the map. It hasn't really been a “quest” or a challenge to “find” clay for quite awhile. I mean if you wanted to complain about easy clay, that should have been organized back in about A11 when it stopped being found only under sand near rivers and lakes and started appearing in deposits all over the map. Now as a last straw for all you camels who detest streamlining in any form I can understand how the load has become unbearable for you but modding a clay recipe to complexify it and make obtaining clay a true process shouldn’t be too difficult to do. We need a clay-making-crafting-bench ... where we turn the soil into clay! Removes the ugly soil patches, but still doesn't have us put soil == clay. https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Clay-from-Indigenous-Soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 We need a clay-making-crafting-bench ... where we turn the soil into clay! Removes the ugly soil patches, but still doesn't have us put soil == clay. https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Clay-from-Indigenous-Soil Seems like that could be easily accomplished with a crafting recipe even without the need for a special workstation for those that want it more...."Smarting it Up" We used to be able to craft clay using cornmeal and water. Someone ought be able to come up with something better than that and include it into their game if simply sticking your shovel into the ground mostly anywhere for the same thing is undesirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 You can get a mason jar , go in your back yard...dig a small hole down like 6 inches past the top soil...then take a few scoops out of the bottom of that hole , fill the mason jar half full . Then go fill it up with water...shake it VIGOROUSLY for a few minutes...then go set it somewhere to sit undisturbed for a day or so. Come back and look at the jar , you will see very clearly soil and clay layers formed in that jar...just about all soil contains some clay , with certain regions or areas being lower or higher clay content...As someone who has taken classes and built with Cob , you learn to do that test where ever you plan to build to see if you need to add clay to your mix , aside from sand and straw... Makes complete and total sense to find clay while digging down into the earth...I wont miss coming across the super abundant clay patches in the game...was never a challenge to find it previously anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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