Version 1.0 (Alpha 22) Dev Diary

[zztong]

 

7 hours ago, Riamus said:

The time to create a manual variation of a POI versus a new one really isn't a significant savings in time.  Yes, the basic structure is complete, but most of the time gets spent on the internal designs, so there's not a lot of savings.  And having the same building with just different floor layouts won't feel as unique as an entirely different building.

 

I think it depends on if you started out with a plan to use Parts or you were trying retroactively mix them in. If you planned in advance AND you were going to make alternative floors (not rooms) I think you could make an alternative floor in a reasonably fast amount of time. If you didn't plan it, you'll probably get tangled in complications that have ramifications. For instance, the definition of zombie volumes tends to cross floor boundaries, else you get zombies popping into existence around the player when they reach the top of the stairs. I think this is what you're getting at.

 

For small POIs, I think it's best to just make more POIs, not because it would be slow, but because there's just not a lot there to meaningfully randomize. You might as well just randomize holes in walls, or something.

 

7 hours ago, faatal said:

RWG highway generation uses a new algorithm.
RWG highway generation allows double connections between towns.
Added RWG big cities can have two gateways per side.
Added RWG big cities generate a highway bypass ring.

 

Oh gadzooks. And I thought the 8 Gateway Tiles I made created enough variation for an 8k map. I'm not complaining. I embrace the challenge.

[Riamus]

1 hour ago, zztong said:

I'd have to check, but it used to be that Part randomization was being done by RWG, where as it would be nice if POIs would randomize their Parts each time a Quest was started.

Pretty sure it randomizes with a quest reset.  Otherwise, you wouldn't get different cabinets/etc open or closed each time.  Unless helpers function differently than parts.  If that's the case, I have no idea. 

Edited May 7 by Riamus (see edit history)

[Adam the Waster]

9 hours ago, faatal said:

More changes for RWG coming in 1.0:

 

RWG highway generation uses a new algorithm.
RWG highway generation allows double connections between towns.
Added RWG big cities can have two gateways per side.
Added RWG big cities generate a highway bypass ring.

This is a 10k, many towns with 30% wasteland. Generated in 1 minute, 12 seconds. Has 4 of the new big cities.

I have a question.  Will one day if possible.  

 

Will natural Terrain, like more rivers and connected rivers with bridges? 

 

Canyons, larger mountains, inland lakes deeper in the map, craters in the wasteland aka nuke craters 

 

if some of it in even possible? 

 

I think it would be cool to see people doing challenges.  Maybe settings were 80% of the map is water

[Old Crow]

17 minutes ago, Adam the Waster said:

I have a question.  Will one day if possible.  

 

Will natural Terrain, like more rivers and connected rivers with bridges? 

 

Canyons, larger mountains, inland lakes deeper in the map, craters in the wasteland aka nuke craters 

 

if some of it in even possible? 

 

I think it would be cool to see people doing challenges.  Maybe settings were 80% of the map is water

 

I'm picturing a RWG map that is just several islands with cities and a lot of water. I like it.

[khzmusik]

6 hours ago, falloutcloud said:

 

I cannot understand how someone asking a question would frustrate you that you felt you needed to respond this way. You could have chosen to simply not answer or answer in kind and remind everyone that there is an FAQ where these are found. As a moderator you lead by example. If this is the way you handle questions, then it is only a matter of time till others feel they can respond the same.

 

Unfortunately I agree. With 1.0 happening, there will be a big influx of people who do not know about the official channels for information. (In fact that link was the first time I ever saw that FAQ page, and I've been playing the game for a decade.)

 

@SylenThunder while I understand you're probably used to dealing with cranky old-timer @%$#s like myself, please keep in mind that once 1.0 drops, 99% of the people who ask questions here will be total noobs. So please make an effort to be forgiving of their understandable ignorance, and try not to be dismissive. Thanks!

 

 

[XCOUNTRY]

5 hours ago, Adam the Waster said:

I have a question.  Will one day if possible.  

 

Will natural Terrain, like more rivers and connected rivers with bridges? 

 

Canyons, larger mountains, inland lakes deeper in the map, craters in the wasteland aka nuke craters 

 

if some of it in even possible? 

 

I think it would be cool to see people doing challenges.  Maybe settings were 80% of the map is water

There was a brief period in RWG where bridges generated (albeit poorly) over rivers back in A17 I think. You also got frog and other wetland sounds along the shores of lakes and stuff too. Would love to see that make a return @faatal

[DaVegaNL]

16 hours ago, faatal said:

More changes for RWG coming in 1.0:

 

RWG highway generation uses a new algorithm.
RWG highway generation allows double connections between towns.
Added RWG big cities can have two gateways per side.
Added RWG big cities generate a highway bypass ring.

This is a 10k, many towns with 30% wasteland. Generated in 1 minute, 12 seconds. Has 4 of the new big cities.

 

Awesome! Is the burned forest making a comeback"?

[Laran Mithras]

54 minutes ago, DaVegaNL said:

 

Awesome! Is the burned forest making a comeback"?

It is.

Necessitating a Burnt Forest playthrough, of course.

[zztong]

9 hours ago, Riamus said:

Pretty sure it randomizes with a quest reset.  Otherwise, you wouldn't get different cabinets/etc open or closed each time.  Unless helpers function differently than parts.  If that's the case, I have no idea.

 

I think you're right. It didn't do that at first, but I think we got that in A21.

[stallionsden]

42 minutes ago, zztong said:

 

I think you're right. It didn't do that at first, but I think we got that in A21.

Yes a21 fixed that issue that was there in a20 thankfully and the room random I did with the casino worked great in what it was designed to do maybe not on such a big scale tho lol

[Adam the Waster]

5 hours ago, XCOUNTRY said:

There was a brief period in RWG where bridges generated (albeit poorly) over rivers back in A17 I think. You also got frog and other wetland sounds along the shores of lakes and stuff too. Would love to see that make a return @faatal

I just called that the swamp.

 

Towns could spawn in the river biome. I just called it a swamp

Also i remember seeing a bridge load sideways, I tried to connect it and it fell apart

[Annihilate]

Hi, I've been watching this thread for months as my SO and Brother love playing this together with me on split screen. Digging deeper after the trailer I've discovered that split screen is being removed for consoles. 

 

This is devastating. 

 

Is there any word when or if this will be re added at a later time? I never play the game alone and I don't have a home Internet connection so split screen was my main pull for this unique game. 

 

I hope someone responds with some good news.... 

Feeling Halo flashbacks...

Edited May 7 by Annihilate (see edit history)

[MichaelL.]

14 hours ago, zztong said:

 

I love Parts. I use lots of Parts. What you say is entirely true if you want to make variant floors with some copy/paste. Something more intricate, such as alternative rooms within a floor, can take a lot of planning. Your parts have to be cubic, so you can't have a complex shape to the Part. You probably have to be careful with your sleeper volumes to keep them contained to the Part for your own sanity, then be careful not to have any other volumes overlap the Part -- more easily done with a "floors as Parts" approach; not easy with a more intricate layout.

 

Also - unless there have been changes - sleepers that spawn inside a part do not count towards the clear count of the POI when doing quests.  What I haven't experimented with is having a sleeper volume for the POI that extends into where the part would spawn - not sure if those sleepers in the part would be counted for the POI's clear quest - I'm going to guess not....?   

[SylenThunder]

54 minutes ago, Annihilate said:

Hi, I've been watching this thread for months as my SO and Brother love playing this together with me on split screen. Digging deeper after the trailer I've discovered that split screen is being removed for consoles. 

 

This is devastating. 

 

Is there any word when or if this will be re added at a later time? I never play the game alone and I don't have a home Internet connection so split screen was my main pull for this unique game. 

 

I hope someone responds with some good news.... 

Feeling Halo flashbacks...

 

Yeah, there is a thread on this already in the Console section.

 

Also to quote one of the developers from that thread...

  

On 3/28/2024 at 11:58 PM, faatal said:

Split screen is a memory issue and a performance issue.

 

A typical gaming PC will have 16+8 GB RAM.

Xbox series X has 16 GB of total RAM, but only around 13.5 GB available for the game. PS5 is similar. That is not great.

Series S has 10 GB total RAM, so even worse. We use half res textures and medium quality settings on S, which manages to fit into RAM while allowing for some memory growth as you play the game for hours. This was only achieved with a lot of memory optimizations to the point we have basically run out of big things to optimize. We can squeeze a bit more, here and there, but diminishing returns.

 

Performance wise, you have to have a render a different part of the world, which uses a lot more CPU and GPU.

 

Having split-screen on the console would also go completely against aligning the console version directly with the PC version to enable full cross-platform play.

[Adam the Waster]

A new skyscraper coming to 1.0 by Hernan. If you haven’t heard 1.0 is launching in June on PC and July on PS5 and Xbox X/S series.

 

I NEED IT!!!!!!! 

Edited May 7 by Adam the Waster (see edit history)

[beerfly]

Holy zombies this looks like my A19 base, but painted in black and 9 levels high..

 

Love it, another good one !

 

P.s. remember to take screenshots of your bases before wiping for another alpha 🤘

Edited May 7 by beerfly (see edit history)

[Kalex]

Does anybody know if the night-vision will be converted into helmet mod in 1.0?

[Makaroni95]

 there is that new tinting mod for windows, it just look dull with these tinted windows. 

57 minutes ago, Adam the Waster said:

A new skyscraper coming to 1.0 by Hernan. If you haven’t heard 1.0 is launching in June on PC and July on PS5 and Xbox X/S series.

 

I NEED IT!!!!!!! 

there is that new tinting mod for windows, it just look dull with these tinted windows. 

[MechanicalLens]

12 hours ago, khzmusik said:

 

Unfortunately I agree. With 1.0 happening, there will be a big influx of people who do not know about the official channels for information. (In fact that link was the first time I ever saw that FAQ page, and I've been playing the game for a decade.)

 

@SylenThunder while I understand you're probably used to dealing with cranky old-timer @%$#s like myself, please keep in mind that once 1.0 drops, 99% of the people who ask questions here will be total noobs. So please make an effort to be forgiving of their understandable ignorance, and try not to be dismissive. Thanks!

 

 

 

Agreed. TFP's PR and Marketing departments have never been their strong suits, but in preparation for the fabled cutting of the red ribbon that is the 1.0 release, they really need to invest in cleaning up their act in some places. All too common, you'll see negative Steam reviews where customers claim to have been patronized on the forums. It could absolutely be worse, but SylenThunder's comment is something you'd regularly find on a subreddit. I mean no ill will towards him or anyone else here, but whether they accept it or not, they're directly representing TFP here, and with the projected massive influx of new players, plenty are going to judge the development team, the company, even the game, based on their interactions with official staff. The response above was ugly, at best.

 

TL;DR: TFP should really look into expanding their marketing department, with a focus on professionalism and quality, while ensuring that aforementioned responses to perfectly inoffensive questions are never tolerated. (Their recent 1.0 gameplay trailer hopefully represents a tiny step in the right direction.)

27 minutes ago, Kalex said:

Does anybody know if the night-vision will be converted into helmet mod in 1.0?

 

I'm curious on this as well.

 

Also, have there been any changes made to the water purifier mod?

[MechanicalLens]

On 5/6/2024 at 12:08 PM, GoldenFox said:

 

is the green portion of the map the new swamp biome?

 

What are you doing in my swamp!?

Edited May 7 by MechanicalLens (see edit history)

[MechanicalLens]

On 5/6/2024 at 11:45 AM, faatal said:

More changes for RWG coming in 1.0:

 

RWG highway generation uses a new algorithm.
RWG highway generation allows double connections between towns.
Added RWG big cities can have two gateways per side.
Added RWG big cities generate a highway bypass ring.

This is a 10k, many towns with 30% wasteland. Generated in 1 minute, 12 seconds. Has 4 of the new big cities.

 

Looking absolutely fantastic! Would it be possible if you could share with us what districts each of the colours on this map represent?

[Old Crow]

48 minutes ago, MechanicalLens said:

 

Looking absolutely fantastic! Would it be possible if you could share with us what districts each of the colours on this map represent?

 

Green: Forest/Plains

White: Snow

Purple: Burnt Forest

Yellow: Desert

Brown: Wasteland

[MechanicalLens]

13 minutes ago, Old Crow said:

 

Green: Forest/Plains

White: Snow

Purple: Burnt Forest

Yellow: Desert

Brown: Wasteland

 

City/town districts (ex. commercial, industrial), not the biomes.

Edited May 7 by MechanicalLens (see edit history)

[HB_H4wk]

paint #110 Metal reinforced seems to show 4 different textures. Is there a way to increase the paint selection by using the same method for this texture?

[Adam the Waster]

7 hours ago, Makaroni95 said:

 there is that new tinting mod for windows, it just look dull with these tinted windows. 

there is that new tinting mod for windows, it just look dull with these tinted windows. 

If it helps with performance I'll allow it