Alphado-Jaki Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 @tricorius I don't care about realism. I just need fair payback(reason for me) to pay risk. But..., I hope you and your wife get better sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalen Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 No, I'm not worried, but I'm disgusted with getting that. Again, this is neither thought nor estimation. This is my EXPERIENCE. Well you've been a very unlucky person because getting food poisoning almost 20 times in 42 days is, mathematically, very unlikely. In (just guessing) about 200 days over various playthroughs I think I've been poisoned 2 or 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphado-Jaki Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yep, I feel as I'm very unlucky too. But I'm not sure if this is unlikely happens. There are 37000 people at peak who playing 7d2d. Doing statistic on 37000 samples give ok result, so statistical inference will give how many unlucky men like me exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricorius Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 @tricorius I don't care about realism. I just need fair payback(reason for me) to pay risk. But..., I hope you and your wife get better sometime. Meh, they are chronic conditions with no current cure. Most of the time it's under control. My point though is that the game *IS* a game. So "realism" takes a bit of a backseat. I have slightly altered my playstyle but only to do one of two things (well I might sometimes do both): 1 - Primarily, fill up the tank before I leave (this way if anything horrible happens I can fix it) 2 - If I do take food on the road, use "safe" food; and minimize risk as much as possible (carry a stack of Meat Stew as it is easier to recover) For me, the benefits of cooked food do give enough of a slight bonus that I find it worth it (also, in which case I take a larger stack than needed and leave a with plenty of time to counter any setbacks for what I'd like to accomplish). I look forward to all the additional "high-end" recipies to be added to the game. (Though I guess if one wanted, they could mod them in already to help give reason for the cooked food. Though I suppose if one is modding files anyway, one could probably just mod away the food poison percent chance. I've never looked at the files, so I dunno.) (Also, even though I quoted your post, I wasn't necessarily picking out out of the crowd; your quote just seemed to summarize well the main arguments I've seen for the risk vs reward feel of the food poisoning mechanic.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ac75 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I like cooking in A16 War of the Walkers mod. Way better than vanilla. Shame what they did to food after A16, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricorius Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I like cooking in A16 War of the Walkers mod. Way better than vanilla. Shame what they did to food after A16, honestly. I really need to look into that mod and a couple others now that I'm less terrified of the game in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Yep, I feel as I'm very unlucky too. But I'm not sure if this is unlikely happens. There are 37000 people at peak who playing 7d2d. Doing statistic on 37000 samples give ok result, so statistical inference will give how many unlucky men like me exists. okay okay....I admit I have a link established to Alphado's computer and I have a macro that lets me give him food poisoning whenever I feel like it. I'll lay off of it now, man. You should be fine starting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 okay okay....I admit I have a link established to Alphado's computer and I have a macro that lets me give him food poisoning whenever I feel like it. I'll lay off of it now, man. You should be fine starting now. Your sarcasm in all honors but such edge cases exist and should be considered in the design. For example, the food poisoning debuff could reduce the chance of food poisoning by 4 percentage points for the next 60 seconds. This would ensure that it doesn't happen multiple times in a row which could lead to frustration for the players. I know it's very unlikely that it will happen twice in a row but also very unlikely events can happen. Ask the dinosaurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmosnuts Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Food poisoning is not that bad, its a decent game mechanic. Sometimes the game will kick your arse repeatedly,yes its just a game but "survival" is a large part of it. They could have went all out and added cholera, plague, rabies or any number of things so much more dangerous than the squits. Its a minor irritation, nothing more. Its rarely fatal and makes you more careful for a bit, unfortunate in early game but still manageable . Taking away from the random nature of the game does far more harm than good, reintro of books/schematics is a prime example. Having to hunt down recipes etc brings back the need for exploration and more risk. If you want nothing to hurt you play god mode, leave the rest of us the good stuff thats left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 As has been mentioned the only thing wrong with poisoning is the lack of visible vomit spraying out of the mouth. Especially in multiplayer being able to see someone else blow chunks would be priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Sure, animating the vomiting could be hilarious. For this current implementation though, rather spawn in temporary versions of a beer cooler, a grill, couple of lounge chairs, maybe a picnic table around the player. It's apparently a party in the apocalypse, what better way to party than the roman way; we shall feast 'til we hurl and once we hurl we eat some more and more .. and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 As has been mentioned the only thing wrong with poisoning is the lack of visible vomit spraying out of the mouth. Especially in multiplayer being able to see someone else blow chunks would be priceless. Agreed. see first 30 seconds lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I just want to wish everyone who contributed to this thread a Happy Thanksgiving and even leave you with a blessing: May everything you eat today stay down and digest well both today and in the days to come with any leftovers you might enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphado-Jaki Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Bless you too okay okay....I admit I have a link established to Alphado's computer and I have a macro that lets me give him food poisoning whenever I feel like it. I'll lay off of it now, man. You should be fine starting now. Lol. It makes sense that my experience is completely different with other's. Hmm, will try dev make change in any manner, maybe. As has been mentioned the only thing wrong with poisoning is the lack of visible vomit spraying out of the mouth. Especially in multiplayer being able to see someone else blow chunks would be priceless. Yeah visual feedback will be awesome in mp. I'll eat cooked food just for this, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArMaReZ Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 pts reduces drastically the risk of being poisoned, just 1 pts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphado-Jaki Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Or just eat only canned one like me so that disable risk completely. No pts needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guardianangelmp Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 For me, in the end, the food poisoning mechanic is two things: 1) annoying 2) uninspired Honestly, if the purpose was to "get around food spoilage", add a spoil timer to food stuff and introduce refrigeration (hello Ark). The negative effect is uninspired too...."4% chance to need to eat more food". The negative effect should be more akin to dysentery (over a period of time) and should have a cure, not a prevention. I mean, food poisoning is not a one and done thing....you don't just have one huge puke, wipe your mouth, then say "I'm hungry" and start right back in on eating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qkj_ Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 because getting food poisoning almost 20 times in 42 days is, mathematically, very unlikely it is really not. if you are at food 50/150, maybe 50/200, you need to eat like 5-10 pieces of something. single one of the bad dice rolls sends you back to 50. chance of surviving that is chance raised to power of number of runs, eg 0.96^5 for 5 runs, making it 0,81, eg 19% chance of getting poisoned at least one during that. 34% for 10 pieces of food. that is a lot. so being hungry and having to eat 10 pieces of boiled meat is nothing you should do without vitamins, as long as that boiled meat is scarce resource to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The negative effect is uninspired too...."4% chance to need to eat more food". This thread in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalen Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 it is really not. if you are at food 50/150, maybe 50/200, you need to eat like 5-10 pieces of something. single one of the bad dice rolls sends you back to 50. chance of surviving that is chance raised to power of number of runs, eg 0.96^5 for 5 runs, making it 0,81, eg 19% chance of getting poisoned at least one during that. 34% for 10 pieces of food. that is a lot. so being hungry and having to eat 10 pieces of boiled meat is nothing you should do without vitamins, as long as that boiled meat is scarce resource to you. 5-10? What are you eating? Most of the food that can give you food poisoning restores 30+ hunger. Do people really let themselves get so low? I almost never get below 75% hunger once I get a farm going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 5-10? What are you eating? Most of the food that can give you food poisoning restores 30+ hunger. Do people really let themselves get so low? I almost never get below 75% hunger once I get a farm going. Most of the food giving you 30+ really needs a farm set up to obtain the ingredients and need schematics as prerequisite. If I remember correctly grilled meat is available from the start and one of the alternatives to canned food in early game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalen Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Most of the food giving you 30+ really needs a farm set up to obtain the ingredients and need schematics as prerequisite. If I remember correctly grilled meat is available from the start and one of the alternatives to canned food in early game. Yup, thats why I said most of. You should never eat grilled or boiled meat unless you have no choice.... those restore the same amount of food as canned but with risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Do people really let themselves get so low? I almost never get below 75% hunger once I get a farm going. After a night in the mine I am often down to 50% of the maximum stamina. Working with the pickaxe burns a lot of calories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalen Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 After a night in the mine I am often down to 50% of the maximum stamina. Working with the pickaxe burns a lot of calories. Sure does.... but I eat to keep my stamina up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Yup, thats why I said most of. You should never eat grilled or boiled meat unless you have no choice.... those restore the same amount of food as canned but with risk. It isn't that black and white. Eating grilled meat for the first half of your breakfast and filling up with canned meat reduces food loss greatly. Vitamins are common enough to let you feast on meat a few times a week. The only thing you probably should not do is take meat with you on the road as a snack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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