Survager Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) Just one small question: how did the russian T72B3 tank end up among the photos to be posted at Trader Hugh's base? (screenshot taken on the second stream of developers) I understand that the designer may not understand military equipment, but when searching on Google, there is usually a description of what is shown in the picture. And it is not entirely clear whether the trader Hugh was a naval pilot or a tanker. And if he is a tanker, then why is he serving on a russian tank? And, I just want to remind you about what is happening in the world and what role this technique plays in what is happening now in Ukraine. Thank you for understanding. https://www.deviantart.com/oscerf/art/T-72B3-867162139 Edited April 22, 2023 by Survager (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 You make a good point regarding the world today and how things like this can become a sore point for people. Probably not the best choice, but I'm sure they just picked a tank they liked the looks of and used it without thinking about where the tank came from. As far as Hugh having various military pictures, I don't see a problem with him having a variety even if he was from a specific military branch. You can simply like military vehicles regardless of military branch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 See, what happened was, when the apocalypse was happening, the world came together and resources were being shifted all over the place from country to country. ... That good enough? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFT2020 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) Or maybe Rekt is one of those survivalists who keeps it around so he knows when Russia invades, what their tanks look like? And would this really be an issue if Russia had not invaded Ukraine? Not as if TFP are supporting Russia by putting a picture of a Russian tank in a poster in the game....... Also, if he was formerly a tanker in the army, they would want to know what tanks the enemies they are fighting against so they know their strengths and weaknesses, so it would make sense to have pictures of them so you can quickly recognize them in battle...... Edited April 22, 2023 by BFT2020 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, BFT2020 said: Also, if he was formerly a tanker in the army, they would want to know what tanks the enemies they are fighting against so they know their strengths and weaknesses, so it would make sense to have pictures of them so you can quickly recognize them in battle...... That might be a bit of a stretch. You might have specs and images in a drawer or something if the enemy weapons, but you normally have posters of things you actually are interested in and like. That usually won't be the enemy. But it is a good reason anyhow. Still, if we are in Arizona, it would probably be better to have American military equipment displayed just for immersion. But I don't really care as I wouldn't know most of it just by looking at it anyhow. If no one says this was Russian, I wouldn't have had any idea or even wondered about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 There is no bigger logic : there is no law stuff behind this photo so they used it as random modern tank photo. Nothing more nothing less. Guys TFP is not focused on lore so there in bigger sense here - modern tank as tank. It's like when moviemakers show in budget movie incorrect weapons, vehicles etc. just because it was cheaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I think that was probably understood. But even when you go for cheaper, it doesn't hurt to have some consideration for what is happening in the world at the time and how your choice may be viewed. Even a perception that TFP supports Russia invading Ukraine would be bad for them even though i can't imagine that being the situation. Sometimes it is better to avoid that possible misperception. Of course, I am also not one who thinks always trying to avoid hot topics for fear of what people think is good either. If they want to use it, I think that is fine. I just hope they do understand the reaction some may have before making that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt115 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Riamus said: I think that was probably understood. But even when you go for cheaper, it doesn't hurt to have some consideration for what is happening in the world at the time and how your choice may be viewed. Even a perception that TFP supports Russia invading Ukraine would be bad for them even though i can't imagine that being the situation. Sometimes it is better to avoid that possible misperception. Of course, I am also not one who thinks always trying to avoid hot topics for fear of what people think is good either. If they want to use it, I think that is fine. I just hope they do understand the reaction some may have before making that decision. Most people doesn't know too much about tanks - someone just was looking for tank and found one for free/cheap. Probably this person doesn't even check what is a tank. You know - this game doesn't have lore so they just care if something looks cool or not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Yeah, I am not debating that. Doesn't mean they might not want to consider changing it out. But like I said, I don't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) Aren't pictures of military stuff sort of the pinups pictures for military fans? This would be likely a picture ripped out of "Jane's" or some other publication. Just like some people have models of military airplanes hanging from the ceiling without ever having flewn one themselves or even been in the military. So I don't see a problem explaining it. Naturally the choice is not a good one at the moment for world politics reasons even though only very very few people will actually recognize it. Edited April 23, 2023 by meganoth (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiemfire Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 4 hours ago, meganoth said: aturally the choice is not a good one at the moment for world politics reasons even though only very very few people will actually recognize it. Wasn't Ukraine also using T-72s? Still this entire topic really is moot. One can admire craftmanship and lines of something made while despising the ideology of those who made it. It's a tank, some people like tanks allot and slap pics of those that hit the right aesthetic cord up on their walls regardless of where the vehicle was designed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, hiemfire said: Wasn't Ukraine also using T-72s? Still this entire topic really is moot. One can admire craftmanship and lines of something made while despising the ideology of those who made it. It's a tank, some people like tanks allot and slap pics of those that hit the right aesthetic cord up on their walls regardless of where the vehicle was designed. Sure, "some people" don't need to concern themselves with politics. A game developer that distributes worldwide can't entirely ignore that topic though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I think they were showing vodka in the dev stream also. Wondering if some are going to ask for it to be removed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catdaddy Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I wouldn't mind the tank so much if its boobs were bigger. How do you know it's russian? It's not even burning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2n1 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) @Survager Руслан, you have an AK on your avatar... you think that is Ukrainian? Edited April 23, 2023 by n2n1 (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 They just picked the one with the most sex appeal… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survager Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, n2n1 said: @Survager Руслан, you have an AK on your avatar... you think that is Ukrainian? AK47 is a weapon from the times of the USSR, and the tank in the picture is the T72 model, which was upgraded to T72B3 only in russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2n1 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Survager said: AK47 is a weapon from the times of the USSR, and the tank in the picture is the T72 model, which was upgraded to T72B3 only in russia. Well, you can always imagine that this is a captured tank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survager Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gamida said: I think they were showing vodka in the dev stream also. Wondering if some are going to ask for it to be removed. I have never heard of a war in which vodka was used as a weapon. 7 minutes ago, n2n1 said: Well, you can always imagine that this is a captured tank... Trophy tank has a different color, such as "pixel" ) 18 minutes ago, Roland said: They just picked the one with the most sex appeal… You know, a swastika without context is also nothing special, and for some it may even look sexy ) But the context changes everything. Edited April 23, 2023 by Survager (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2n1 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Survager said: Trophy tank has a different color, such as "pixel" ) Come on... just use your imagination ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Survager said: I have never heard of a war in which vodka was used as a weapon. I can imagine at some time vodka may have been used in the making of moltov cocktails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerfly Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, Gamida said: I can imagine at some time vodka may have been used in the making of moltov cocktails Or like as liquid equivalent of the candies in-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr0wst0rm Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) EDIT: Removed, did not read properly 😛 Edited April 24, 2023 by Cr0wst0rm (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survager Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Gamida said: I can imagine at some time vodka may have been used in the making of moltov cocktails Molotov cocktails as an offensive weapon? It's very hard for me to imagine. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Survager said: Molotov cocktails as an offensive weapon? It's very hard for me to imagine. ) I think you are trolling me or I don't get your sarcasm but will add this anyway. Quote Russian tanks have long been the targets of Molotov cocktails. Right-wing nationalist rebels in the Spanish Civil War first used petrol bombs in 1937 against Soviet tanks supplied to the Republican government. In one encounter witnessed by an astonished British brigadier general, the homemade bombs managed to destroy nine tanks. Soon the Republican Army and the international brigades fighting by its side were using them too. But the people of Finland were the ones who came up with the name. When Soviet forces attacked Finland in 1939, Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Molotov, Stalin’s foreign minister, claimed the warplanes were airlifting food to the country, not dropping bombs. The Finns responded by dubbing the bombs “Molotov’s bread baskets” and offered to provide drinks—or cocktails—to go with them. State liquor factories had already switched from making vodka to preparing bulk quantities of the improvised incendiary devices, which Finnish troops used with great effect against Soviet armour. The name “Molotov cocktail” stuck and quickly spread around the world. https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2022/03/the-history-of-the-molotov-cocktail-an-iconic-weapon-of-underdogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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