sillls Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 You'll need to be more specific I believe... So: "Like what kind of possibility's are you thinking about Jax?"... Otherwise there are too many possibility's... Infinite in fact... I am not a modder but from what I saw it is more toilets for everyone. Modders in A17 will be mostly like . There are just too many new toys and features added and limitations removed. Well that explains a lot. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedBullfrog Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Mod compatibility is going to be one of the largest value adds, aside from the obvious of having a crapton of new blocks to be able to include. My /guess/ is ravenherst uses the most block id's, how many do you have free jax? - - - Updated - - - I think it'll be neat for targeting. +1 Right now I know I hit zombie flesh but I may have no clear idea where. With sticky arrows I think it will be easier to tune your aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 +1 Right now I know I hit zombie flesh but I may have no clear idea where. With sticky arrows I think it will be easier to tune your aim. Yes, although it does appear the aim is sort of random regardless of your abilities, especially noticeable from far out, but I kind of like that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Yes, although it does appear the aim is sort of random regardless of your abilities, especially noticeable from far out, but I kind of like that anyway. In A17 the aim is random within the area of the crosshairs. So running and firing spread the crosshairs out and your arrows will fly randomly anywhere within that cone. Stopping and aiming shrinks the crosshairs. Skills, Perks, Attributes, Buffs, and weapon mods will have an effect on that as well. Took me by surprise the first time as I walked backwards firing at zeds as I normally used to do and only a fraction of my arrows found the target. To be as accurate as A16 and below I was forced to stop and aim for each zombie or waste a lot of ammo. Of course this was me with no skills, perks, or mods on my bow. I assume that once fully progressed and with an upgraded weapon I could eventually fire while running and put it through an eye every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 The aim is random within the area of the crosshairs. So running and firing spread the crosshairs out and your arrows will fly randomly anywhere within that cone. Stopping and aiming shrinks the crosshairs. Skills, Perks, Attributes, Buffs, and weapon mods will have an effect on that as well. You talking 16 or 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 You talking 16 or 17? Hmmm that WAS the quite the info dump up there wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cro666ie Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Please, Please, Please, Please, Please. GET RID OF THAT STUPID ENEMY HEALTH BAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Please, Please, Please, Please, Please. GET RID OF THAT STUPID ENEMY HEALTH BAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But...its RED. And red = Bad. So it tells me if its friendly or not. Also it lets me know if i can kill something. Which is very important as I have been struggling with taking on enemies I can't beat on Day 1, like those green cops and that tall white alien. I say keep it. Only weirdos would prefer information like that or food and water to not be on their UI at all times. /NewbJax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholyjoe Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 HaHa NewbJax... i thought you were lying all these years about your experience. geesh cant trust no one anymore. but seriously tho... if this game was completely done (WARNING this is only HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING - I am NOT say the game is done!), and a person never heard of it much less played and he/she bought it and tried it out... they would fall in love with it. now many of you will argue about and try to spit out sales numbers and all... but... keep to yourself because you know i am right... this time.. and if... just if... i may be mistaken... then i still insist that i am right. changes are only objectionable to those of us who have become too used to the old ways (age has nothing to do with it either)... as much as it hurts... we must move on. and i still think i am right and thats my 6 cents because of inflation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Please, Please, Please, Please, Please. GET RID OF THAT STUPID ENEMY HEALTH BAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know right. Total immersion killer that bar is My immersion and feeling of realism without the bar is so much higher. Because... 1. I can carry around 40,000 tons of cement in a backpack. 2. I can rip a working engine out of a car in 3 seconds with a wrench. 3. i can grow a forest in less than a week So many other immersive things in this gane like the above 3 examples. Having a health bar on screen to see what kind of damage im doing would ruin the realistic nature of slaying zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unholyjoe Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I know right. Total immersion killer that bar is My immersion and feeling of realism without the bar is so much higher. Because... 1. I can carry around 40,000 tons of cement in a backpack. 2. I can rip a working engine out of a car in 3 seconds with a wrench. 3. i can grow a forest in less than a week So many other mmersive things in this gane like the above 3 examples. Having a health bar on screen to see what kind of damage im doing would ruin the realistic nature of slaying zombies. and they can do all that while flying around in god mode on too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xercesblue Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 None taken. When I experienced it for the first time I thought it was awesome and still do. Not everyone is going to feel excited by everything in the game. Tons of people are on the edge of their seats for vehicles but not Ouch. I think sticky arrows are a blast to play with and just love it for its own merits but you could care less about it and Snowdog apparently hates it if doesn't come with retrieval at exactly the same moment in the development process. Different strokes for different folks. Every hint I gave had exactly to do with sticky arrows but it was a hype move so I knew that some of you would latch onto your own pet hopes for the game and think that Everdeen meant that. Others who are not like you guys who have been wanting sticky arrows will be thrilled. It's exciting to me. I love turning enemies into a pincushion and it feels more realistic to me. In Skyrim I download more mods for bows than anything else that messes with decals, sounds, textures and adds new items etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I know right. Total immersion killer that bar is My immersion and feeling of realism without the bar is so much higher. Because... 1. I can carry around 40,000 tons of cement in a backpack. 2. I can rip a working engine out of a car in 3 seconds with a wrench. 3. i can grow a forest in less than a week So many other immersive things in this gane like the above 3 examples. Having a health bar on screen to see what kind of damage im doing would ruin the realistic nature of slaying zombies. I don't see anywhere in Cro666ie's post that they mention immersion as the reason to get rid of it. But, just because some features break immersion doesn't mean it is not a valid argument for other features. None of your list are on screen non-stop. So, yes a HP bar is more immersion breaking than wrenching motor out of a car. Immersion does not have to equate 100% realism. Actually it can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I don't see anywhere in Cro666ie's post that they mention immersion as the reason to get rid of it. Well maybe if he you know...explained why. Since he didnt... I went to the common buzzword that many use as the reason to argue anything in this game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Well maybe if he you know...explained why. Since he didnt... I went to the common buzzword that many use as the reason to argue anything in this game... You caught me editing my post. I hit submit too early. Lol Here is the rest--- But, just because some features break immersion doesn't mean it is not a valid argument for other features. None of your list are on screen non-stop. So, yes a HP bar is more immersion breaking than wrenching motor out of a car. Immersion does not have to equate 100% realism. Actually it can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 You caught me editing my post. I hit submit too early. Lol Here is the rest--- But, just because some features break immersion doesn't mean it is not a valid argument for other features. None of your list are on screen non-stop. So, yes a HP bar is more immersion breaking than wrenching motor out of a car. Immersion does not have to equate 100% realism. Actually it can't. in that case.. GET RID OF THE STUPID COMPASS OMG MY IMMERSION IS DYING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace312 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 ... yawn ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cro666ie Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Well maybe if he you know...explained why. Since he didnt... I went to the common buzzword that many use as the reason to argue anything in this game... Ok then. I'll explain why. With every Alpha release they just seem intent on making the game easier and easier. I play for the challenge. And this game is no longer challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 in that case.. GET RID OF THE STUPID COMPASS OMG MY IMMERSION IS DYING If immersion means nothing to you, why are you buying games with graphics? Grab an old copy of Zork and have at it. And, good idea. The compass should be an item you have to put in your hand and look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 And, good idea. The compass should be an item you have to put in your hand and look at. Thought u might say that Funny u mentioned Zork. I mentioned it a few days back in a post. Cool game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Ok then. I'll explain why. With every Alpha release they just seem intent on making the game easier and easier. I play for the challenge. And this game is no longer challenging. Fair point A17 with health bars = walk in the park. A17 no health bars = u will be lucky to survive 3 days... lol What im saying is it has no impact on the overall challenge, just removes the stupidness of not knowing how hard you are hitting They already have and end state challenge level in mind. They can reach that challenge by balancing the game around the fact that the bars exist... if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Thought u might say that Funny u mentioned Zork. I mentioned it a few days back in a post. Cool game I know. Ever since I posted that I've been sitting here trying to think where my copy is and wondering if I could get it to run on Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouch Quit It Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Ok then. I'll explain why. With every Alpha release they just seem intent on making the game easier and easier. I play for the challenge. And this game is no longer challenging. OHHH No he didn't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krhymez Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 All this new content looks really good. Gyrocopter: Looks fun, but how would it be balanced? maybe some NPC with rocket launchers in the world.. that may try to shoot you down. Jeep: This is a nice addition but like the gyrocopter, balance. Maybe some IEDs on the roads, that are only set off by this Jeep. (Also a way to disarm and clean up the road before it is "Safe") Hog: Love it Bicycle: Love it Combat: Would it be possible to make Holding left click be the power attack, then add a blocking mechanic with right mouse. (A way to block stuns) Arrows: Great addition (recover will be cool, if you figure it out) Terrain Generation: Glad to see this getting attention. I was always annoyed by the craters and huge cliffs DLC: I know you all need to eat. But in a past post Roland mentioned it will not be "paid" DLC rather the term is being used for content after going Gold. Which one is it? Paid DLC or just "New" content that is "free dlc"? Also please look into ziplines and lock picking. Both were mentioned before A16, would be nice to see them added. As for going forward, i really hope the water and radiation zones get some love. For the water it would be cool to see a threat there and some fish (fishing). As for the radiation zones, i still think it would be cool if "Random gen" was on the outside of "Navezgane", Adding a way to pass the radiation and maybe some loot and story there. Keep up the great work Pimps. I can not way for the Hype to start for A17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 in that case.. GET RID OF THE STUPID COMPASS OMG MY IMMERSION IS DYING ...and the health bar ...and the stamina bar ...and the toolbelt ...and the date and time ...and all text messages ...and all harvesting icons ...and all status popups ...and all block hp bars ...and the stealth eye ...and the crosshairs ...and the upgrade/downgrade arrow ...and all the crap you modded in to the HUD and now you're playing like me. 100% perfect immersion. All you noobs with your whining about one little enemy hp bar don't go nearly far enough in my view. #InvisibleHud4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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