Version 1.0 (Alpha 22) Dev Diary

[beerfly]

From 7 days to die Twitter - This new building is coming to our 'Storm’s Brewing Update' later this winter but you can expect a patch before the holidays with major optimizations, RWG world creation on consoles, the Japanese PS5 version, many bug fixes and some secret features for all versions. Stay Tuned!

 

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[Jost Amman]

Wow! That POI is a BEAST! 

[Uncle Al]

That's a revamp of a previous one isn't it? Looks amazing.

 

I think the original was the first big POI I ever did. I'd learned enough in a few hours of playing to know the level designers were twisted sadists, so when I got to the walk along the crane I was thinking 'vultures? or collapsing floor?' - it was land mines.  They take their anti-climb paint seriously in Arizona, it seems.

 

New version looks absolutely stunning.

[Jay_ombie]

 

Can anyone help me and understand what the error above means ?

 

Thanks.

[Adam the Waster]

On 10/2/2024 at 5:51 PM, Chaton Noir said:

So there's a new game on Unity 2022 in 2025??? Or 2026?

Kinda was hoping for unreal or something 

3 hours ago, beerfly said:

From 7 days to die Twitter - This new building is coming to our 'Storm’s Brewing Update' later this winter but you can expect a patch before the holidays with major optimizations, RWG world creation on consoles, the Japanese PS5 version, many bug fixes and some secret features for all versions. Stay Tuned!

 

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You beat me too it

[Uncle Al]

I have a passing comment on loot settings. I guess they're probably not a priority, as I'd assume the vast majority of players play on default, but less than 100% loot is even more whacky than usual these days. Toilets don't drop murky water, ever, on 50% loot. You get paper or nothing. That makes the early game punishing in the extreme.

 

Data is from a 25 day playthough on 50% loot, looting every toilet I came across. Easily a couple of hundred toilets. I started to get suspicious around day 3, but stuck with it to try to confirm what I was seeing.

 

I still don't quite understand the mechanics of varying loot level, but I do know that what you get is not what you expect. 50% loot should mean about half as much loot as vanilla, surely? The current implementation seems to be that items that can be found in multiples, but in very low numbers (1-2 or 1-3) only appear if you would have got 2+ items under 100% loot. That cuts some items way, way down under 50%, despite that being what you set loot to. I'd already noticed eggs almost ceasing to exist at 50% loot, and learned to live with it, but the water thing is a lot more impactful.

 

Coolers and cooler bottles occasionally produce murky water on 50% loot setting, but at much less than half the normal rate.

 

I confess I don't quite understand why loot settings were done in such a complicated way. I have worked on enough software projects to know there may well be a reason, though. Was there a technical constraint on not implementing it as 'number of items found is constant but chance of actually finding that number varies by loot setting' instead of 'number of items found varies by loot setting', which is how it seems to have been implemented?

 

'Number of items found is constant but chance of finding that number varies by loot setting' could work by rolling the loot percentage for each item and if you make your roll you get the normal amount of that item, if you fail the roll you get nothing. Instead of trying to do a calculation to reduce the number of objects found, you always use the 100% setting baseline amount, but you actually receive your 'standard amount' of items less or more often for lower/higher loot settings.

 

This approach would make non standard loot settings 'spiky', but I don't think that's a bad thing.  On 25% loot you could get nothing for ages then maybe get a decent haul, but that's kind of fun, no? For loot settings over 100% you get the normal amount of an item then roll at 'loot setting - 100' to see if you get a second helping.

 

If rolling per item is 'too many rolls' for some system reason, you could roll once per container, which would still mean you get exactly the percentage increase/reduction that your loot setting claims to offer, just even spikier than rolling once per item.

 

 

Edited October 5 by Uncle Al (see edit history)

[Chaton Noir]

@Adam the Waster Have you written to me about UE? There is no message from you.

[beerfly]

...some secret features for all versions (consoles and PC), you Pimps say.

Hmm, I remember how @Roland gave a brilliant hint about a new feature, few years ago. 

 

Round two !

Go Mr. R

[Adam the Waster]

1 hour ago, beerfly said:

...some secret features for all versions (consoles and PC), you Pimps say.

Hmm, I remember how @Roland gave a brilliant hint about a new feature, few years ago. 

 

Round two !

Go Mr. R

Wrench mines 

[Chaton Noir]

@faatal Speaking of cameras — will the player have a shadow? Or better yet, the lower body and legs? Do you plan on ever doing this, or will it definitely not happen?

[Chaton Noir]

15 hours ago, Adam the Waster said:

Kinda was hoping for unreal or something 

You beat me too it

I too thought the next games were going to be on UE. Even imagined 7 Days To Die 2 on UE5) Though I think when the sequel comes out, it will already be UE6 or even UE7. The sequel is clearly worth waiting for in the next decade, not before. And that's if there will be one.

 

However, TFP could probably do much better on Unity if they made the game from scratch. Unity is constantly developing and improving. After all, UE5 isn't a miracle. Just having it won't give us a good game. I won't deny that I like UE better than Unity, though. But the most important thing is how developers will use it.

[Callum123456789]

11 hours ago, Adam the Waster said:

Wrench mines 

Maybe a zip line or 2?

[spud42]

i'd settle for a toggle to turn quick select off! simply not having a key mapped to it doesnt stop it from self triggering.

 

[SnowDog1942]

On 10/5/2024 at 5:40 PM, beerfly said:

...some secret features for all versions (consoles and PC), you Pimps say.

Hmm, I remember how @Roland gave a brilliant hint about a new feature, few years ago. 

 

Round two !

Go Mr. R

There once was a lady from Venus….. her body was shaped like a …..

 

 

Edited October 9 by SnowDog1942 (see edit history)

[Jost Amman]

Hmm... is it a bug to get two Trader Jen(s) in the same biome? 

Not that I mind, but it's never happened to me before.

 

I'm playing b14 with just a small UI/HUD mod.

[SnowDog1942]

1 hour ago, Jost Amman said:

Hmm... is it a bug to get two Trader Jen(s) in the same biome? 

Not that I mind, but it's never happened to me before.

I wish that would happen to me, threesome time!

[DocRussel]

I thought there was supposed to be 2 traders in each biome.

[Riamus]

You can have multiple traders per biome. It just depends on the map size and how towns get laid out.  You will always have the same traders in the same biomes, though.

[NukemDed]

19 hours ago, SnowDog1942 said:

There once was a lady from Venus….. her body was shaped like a …..

 

 

peni s?

 

straight up and down

 

it gave me a frown

 

and i found it quite heinous

Edited October 10 by NukemDed
poetic upgrade (see edit history)

[beerfly]

12 hours ago, Riamus said:

  You will always have the same traders in the same biomes, though.

Tbh, I prefer the traders being random. Sort of liking them being biome specialised, but if the town is bigger and there is more than one, I`d love the second, third, etc be random.. 

[Suxar]

On 10/5/2024 at 10:14 PM, Uncle Al said:

Toilets don't drop murky water, ever, on 50% loot. You get paper or nothing.

I play with a 40% setting, I encounter water, not often, but it does happen.

[Riamus]

2 hours ago, beerfly said:

Tbh, I prefer the traders being random. Sort of liking them being biome specialised, but if the town is bigger and there is more than one, I`d love the second, third, etc be random.. 

I agree.  I don't like multiple of the same trader in the same biome like it is now.  But I don't use RWG anymore, so it doesn't really matter much to me.  But I still feel things like that should be optional in a "Random" World Generator regardless of any plans for a story.

[Uncle Al]

1 hour ago, Suxar said:

I play with a 40% setting, I encounter water, not often, but it does happen.

I'm assuming you're using a mod? As 40% isn't an allowed standard setting.

 

If so, it would explain why you're having a very different experience as it probably does reduced loot differently to how vanilla does.

 

If you're not and actually using the 37% setting vanilla, how often is not often? 200 toilets is a pretty good sample size so if you're getting 1 in 4 or something then I may have other issues.

[falloutcloud]

4 hours ago, beerfly said:

Tbh, I prefer the traders being random. Sort of liking them being biome specialised, but if the town is bigger and there is more than one, I`d love the second, third, etc be random.. 

If I knew how to do it I would make custom maps that allowed for random building placement. Traders, roads, biomes, stamps, and tiles would all be permanent. Maybe have a few buildings that never changed depending on the map

[Suxar]

3 hours ago, Uncle Al said:

I'm assuming you're using a mod? As 40% isn't an allowed standard setting.

 

There are no mods. When setting up a server, the percentage of production is entered into the configuration file manually, as much as you write, that's how much it will be.