Watermelon Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Hello @faatal 😺 The mention of 1.1 experimental update was on August 8th. It's been a month already. Apparently you have big problems with releasing a stable version? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigglingZombie Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) On 9/3/2024 at 9:35 PM, meganoth said: Just put one point into the hunter perk and you will still see animals, granted not as much as before, but enough to occassionally lose one to a zombie I probably only ever put 1 point in that point once (back in A21), just to see how it worked; thanks but i'm very selective in where my points go and they are always badly needed elsewhere since v1 came along 😁 (in A21 i was quite selective with points but not as much as i have to do now in v1); i'm glad the game is becoming more difficult, but virtually no animals being seen is taking things a little far (as is overdoing the screamer mechanic but there's a whole thread dedicated to that particular chestnut so i won't digress further into that) Edited September 5 by GigglingZombie (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rateds2k Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Love that the screamers spawn more. Keeps me on my toes at the base. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Screamers are a bit much, but are really just an annoyance. Animals aren't really that bad unless you stay in one small area. I find more than enough. Sure, they are harder to find, but not really a problem. They could probably be increased a bit in the forest, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigglingZombie Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 minutes ago, Riamus said: Screamers are a bit much, but are really just an annoyance. Animals aren't really that bad unless you stay in one small area. I find more than enough. Sure, they are harder to find, but not really a problem. They could probably be increased a bit in the forest, though. Better worded than me re the animals, we definitely should see a (few) more in the Pine Forest - it is a forest after all; i know we have the awesome zombies-eat-killed-animals mechanic, and being as they don't eat live animals, we should indeed see a few more animals in the nice green forest areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxodous Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 hours ago, GigglingZombie said: I probably only ever put 1 point in that point once (back in A21), just to see how it worked; thanks but i'm very selective in where my points go and they are always badly needed elsewhere since v1 came along 😁 (in A21 i was quite selective with points but not as much as i have to do now in v1); i'm glad the game is becoming more difficult, but virtually no animals being seen is taking things a little far (as is overdoing the screamer mechanic but there's a whole thread dedicated to that particular chestnut so i won't digress further into that) Meat is not hard to find you just have to move around a little and do things differently. Forest - go out at night to find deer - many farm POI often have pigs Burnt forest seems to have quite a few pigs and snakes during the day Snow biome - lots of cats, wolves and some bears during the day Desert has a bunch of coyotes if you can find them after shooting them, they seem to fly forever. Wasteland - lots of bears during the day, (turn zombie it appears at night, but great for red loot bags) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreyseth Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 hours ago, Exxodous said: ... Desert has a bunch of coyotes if you can find them after shooting them, they seem to fly forever. ... Don't they always come back to try again after a while? That's what it has seemed like to me. They run away just to be more easily killed on the return. That has been my experience so far; an easy lunch that comes to find you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 hour ago, Dreyseth said: Don't they always come back to try again after a while? That's what it has seemed like to me. They run away just to be more easily killed on the return. That has been my experience so far; an easy lunch that comes to find you. They meant when you kill them and they go flying. They do tend to land a long ways away from you, just like vultures. Fun to do, but a pain when you want the meat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigglingZombie Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 12 hours ago, Exxodous said: Meat is not hard to find you just have to move around a little and do things differently. Forest - go out at night to find deer - many farm POI often have pigs Burnt forest seems to have quite a few pigs and snakes during the day Snow biome - lots of cats, wolves and some bears during the day Desert has a bunch of coyotes if you can find them after shooting them, they seem to fly forever. Wasteland - lots of bears during the day, (turn zombie it appears at night, but great for red loot bags) thanks, i know all this; it's just that in early game, when you get bogged down in in the usual early game things, finding a base, staying alive, doing some quests etc etc, travelling too far to get food isn't always an option. early game can be very punishing in v1. I'm not complaining, all the extra challenge is good for the soul, my point is/was that (even if just for game atmosphere) it would be nice to see just a bit more wildlife 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 The planned event system will likely change the game atmosphere. Depending on how they balance it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 11 hours ago, Riamus said: They meant when you kill them and they go flying. They do tend to land a long ways away from you, just like vultures. Fun to do, but a pain when you want the meat. Speaking of desert, coyotes and vultures. If you kill a coyote in desert will the vultures swoop down and devour the coyote like zombies will if in range. I haven't tried yet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space4Ace Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, Gamida said: Speaking of desert, coyotes and vultures. If you kill a coyote in desert will the vultures swoop down and devour the coyote like zombies will if in range. I haven't tried yet. It doesn't, but should. Great idea. Fun Pimps, get on it, please. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zztong Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 (edited) 23 hours ago, Exxodous said: Desert has a bunch of coyotes if you can find them after shooting them, they seem to fly forever. LOL. Ain't that the truth. Vultures too. I want the damn feathers, but the vulture flew two POIs over and I'll fail the quest if I go harvest it. I've tried "putting English" on the vulture, tried to line them up with a wall in the background. I've tried not power attacking with the club. Sometimes. Sometimes! I get to keep the vulture. Overall though, I can maybe kind of see how somebody who doesn't venture out at night and is narrowly focused on questing during the day might conclude there isn't enough hunting. I can also see on a server with many players how their can really be a shortage of spawns. But single player and willing to hunt at night -- I'm never short on meat. Edited September 6 by zztong (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arma Rex Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I think the problem more lies in the fact that hunting isn't challenging. The AI for the animals is of low quality, and it's easier to spray a machine gun at them than stalking and taking one down methodically. I'm asking a lot perhaps of a game that tries to touch on every sort of genre, but that would certainly be enjoyable to me at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost Amman Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 7 hours ago, Arma Rex said: I think the problem more lies in the fact that hunting isn't challenging. The AI for the animals is of low quality, and it's easier to spray a machine gun at them than stalking and taking one down methodically. I'm asking a lot perhaps of a game that tries to touch on every sort of genre, but that would certainly be enjoyable to me at the very least. I think that if in "real life" hunters used machine guns instead of rifles (or bows) it would be too easy for them too. Maybe a bit messy though. It's like some guys that fish with explosives. It's effective but damaging to the ecosystem, that's why in some places is prohibited by law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space4Ace Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 3 hours ago, Jost Amman said: It's like some guys that fish with explosives. It's effective but damaging to the ecosystem It's very damaging to the fish. 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 On 9/5/2024 at 1:19 PM, rateds2k said: Love that the screamers spawn more. Keeps me on my toes at the base. Same here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morloc Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 This is one of the disappointing things about crafting level 6 items. The purple crossbow below took 150 steel and over 25 minutes to craft. It's inferior to the level 4 that I was using. Similarly, I have a half-dozen purple steel clubs that don't hold up to a blue one I'd found. Would the devs be willing to talk about the stat ranges on items?: 1) Found 2) Received as rewards 3) Crafted -Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immhotep Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 Have the controller issues been fixed yet? Gave up on game cos of them and I miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost Amman Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 45 minutes ago, Morloc said: The purple crossbow below took 150 steel and over 25 minutes to craft. It's inferior to the level 4 that I was using. That's normal. It's balanced by the fact that you can slot-in more mods in the purple. But I agree they should make it a little less DP (I created a new word "Down-Powered" ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Morloc said: This is one of the disappointing things about crafting level 6 items. The purple crossbow below took 150 steel and over 25 minutes to craft. It's inferior to the level 4 that I was using. Similarly, I have a half-dozen purple steel clubs that don't hold up to a blue one I'd found. Would the devs be willing to talk about the stat ranges on items?: 1) Found 2) Received as rewards 3) Crafted -Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀 I hope if they do tweak the stats of items they tweak the hp or add more types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Jost Amman said: That's normal. It's balanced by the fact that you can slot-in more mods in the purple. But I agree they should make it a little less DP (I created a new word "Down-Powered" ). Yeah, it isn't as clear as we might like, but fill in all mid slots and then compare. Not only do you get the benefits of the extra mod, but each mod adds damage, so that extra mod slot should also mean more damage. I don't use bows or crossbows, so I haven't compared damage on them, but that should be what you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Morloc said: This is one of the disappointing things about crafting level 6 items. The purple crossbow below took 150 steel and over 25 minutes to craft. It's inferior to the level 4 that I was using. Similarly, I have a half-dozen purple steel clubs that don't hold up to a blue one I'd found. Would the devs be willing to talk about the stat ranges on items?: 1) Found 2) Received as rewards 3) Crafted -Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀 I think there is still the problem that loaded type of bolt also influences the comparison of damage. Load both with same type of bolt if you want to compare. I say this because even in previous alphas (AFAIK) the random range was not enough to reach over two quality levels. And checking the XML right now the random variation currently is only 4%, which is much less than I remember. While each quality step adds 8% damage. If I read this correctly there is no overlap anymore: <passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value="-.02,.02" tags="perkArchery"/> <!-- random EntityDmg --> <passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".08,.4" tier="2,6" tags="perkArchery"/> <!-- tier bonus --> Edited September 7 by meganoth (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morloc Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 (edited) On 9/7/2024 at 4:47 PM, Jost Amman said: That's normal. It's balanced by the fact that you can slot-in more mods in the purple. On 9/7/2024 at 6:36 PM, Riamus said: Yeah, it isn't as clear as we might like, but fill in all mid slots and then compare. Not only do you get the benefits of the extra mod, but each mod adds damage, so that extra mod slot should also mean more damage. Negative. The level 4 crossbow has 4 slots just like the level 6 (no game mods). On 9/7/2024 at 6:54 PM, meganoth said: I think there is still the problem that loaded type of bolt also influences the comparison of damage. Load both with same type of bolt if you want to compare. Yes!...that is the issue! 12.5 more damage, but only if I had the steel bolt selected AND loaded. Thank you. Apologies to the devs for presuming this was an RNG range thing. ...Though there are still the clubs. They were in my last game, but that was blue vs. purple which I could understand more easily. -Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀 Edited Thursday at 12:14 PM by Morloc (see edit history) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_ombie Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) Would it be picky if I was to ask if we could simply be able to close doors and hatches again once they get unlocked. It has an annoying illogical element of function or in this case the lack of function a hinged door simply not closing again.. Edited September 8 by Jay_ombie (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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