JCrook1028 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Can I get that server name? I want to play in a nice neighborhood also. Sure, it was Skippy0330's server. With server based commands to protect your base and admins who deal with griefers. Other than that played on private server with friends. Playing with random jerks holds no value to me. Most the decent sized Youtube/Twitch guys run subservers. Another good way to play with people not being complete pieces of crap. If your server admin doesn't deal with griefers you need to find a new server imo. I tend to not like playing with a**holes. ymmv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamer1337 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 The protecting base power of the lcb only applies in a PvP game so not ONCE have I used it to protect my base as I do not play PvP. people on pve server would raid your base without claim. its not only issue for pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poojam Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Sure, it was Skippy0330's server. With server based commands to protect your base and admins who deal with griefers. Other than that played on private server with friends. Playing with random jerks holds no value to me. Most the decent sized Youtube/Twitch guys run subservers. Another good way to play with people not being complete pieces of crap. If your server admin doesn't deal with griefers you need to find a new server imo. I tend to not like playing with a**holes. ymmv. Yea... well... the reason they changed this is because they claimed spamming them was a problem. Since you would have never had that problem because you don't play with jerks, I don't understand why you are pro-single land claim block. It doesn't affect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juananp Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 This is not acceptable, It is not good for creativity and big bases. BAses like JC's Chanel ones will not be possible in online servers.... this mutilates the game in live servers and makes the game less interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom_meister Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 The protecting base power of the lcb only applies in a PvP game so not ONCE have I used it to protect my base as I do not play PvP. . Wow youre really that low knowledge? pve servers use them too to stop griefing, as i said before, know what youre talking about or dont talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecv Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I can attest that without multiple lcb, we couldn't run our epic builds community in any passable way. I did get past the Whitelist limitations by writing my own server-bot with in game password authentication. That keeps hackers and griefers fixed in some remote spot where they'd need excessive effort to destroy bases. But servers like ours are a popular target where the work of several players over several weeks can be destroyed within a few minutes. Lcb are the only real defense here. And in two a years, with Figuratively thousands of unique players, lcb cancer was never an issue Make it a choice please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Yea... well... the reason they changed this is because they claimed spamming them was a problem. Since you would have never had that problem because you don't play with jerks, I don't understand why you are pro-single land claim block. It doesn't affect you. I'm NOT pro single lcb. Not at all. Please quote me where I said I thought this was a good idea. I simply am against it for the reason I use it, to be able to move things within my base. Please son't assume things, you know what that leads to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacojitsu Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 The reason is because TFP doesn't want PVP'ers, they have said as much during A15. "If you want pvp go play rust, This is a survivial PVE game" and not it's a slow walking sim. How slow can you handle before you explode at TFP for ruining every aspect 1 patch a time dating back to A12 like 3 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom_meister Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 The reason is because TFP doesn't want PVP'ers, they have said as much during A15. "If you want pvp go play rust, This is a survivial PVE game" and not it's a slow walking sim. How slow can you handle before you explode at TFP for ruining every aspect 1 patch a time dating back to A12 like 3 years ago this affects pve just as much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rundagutz Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 That might be valid if the game were designed for PvP. It's not. I think it's still valid. It will quickly point out the flaw in the decision. With that being said, I have to disagree with your comment a bit. If the game was developed with no PVP in mind, there would be no player killing whatsoever and loot boxes would be indestructible. If we take this even further, the game was roughly based on "The Walking Dead". They kill people there regularly and take other people's stuff. just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Lee Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I'm NOT pro single lcb. Not at all. Please quote me where I said I thought this was a good idea. I simply am against it for the reason I use it, to be able to move things within my base. Please son't assume things, you know what that leads to..... THIS is the reason you keep disagreeing with us? We never said that LCBs shouldn't allow you to pick up workstations. That is just fine by me. I've been doing that since A16 first dropped. I preferred using wrenches to pick them up in A15, to minimize the items I had to take on looting runs so I could combine items in the workbench on the run. We are simply not happy with the OTHER changes they made to the LCBs. They were never cancer, they were fine the way they were in A15, and they were fine in A16. Nobody wants to take away your ability to pick your workstations back up. I hope that clears this up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yisiscreise Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I can attest that without multiple lcb, we couldn't run our epic builds community in any passable way. I did get past the Whitelist limitations by writing my own server-bot with in game password authentication. That keeps hackers and griefers fixed in some remote spot where they'd need excessive effort to destroy bases. But servers like ours are a popular target where the work of several players over several weeks can be destroyed within a few minutes. Lcb are the only real defense here. And in two a years, with Figuratively thousands of unique players, lcb cancer was never an issue Make it a choice please. Exactly it doesnt have to be a must, just something u can choose, by this way some servers can have one system and other another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 THIS is the reason you keep disagreeing with us? We never said that LCBs shouldn't allow you to pick up workstations. That is just fine by me. I've been doing that since A16 first dropped. I preferred using wrenches to pick them up in A15, to minimize the items I had to take on looting runs so I could combine items in the workbench on the run. We are simply not happy with the OTHER changes they made to the LCBs. They were never cancer, they were fine the way they were in A15, and they were fine in A16. Nobody wants to take away your ability to pick your workstations back up. I hope that clears this up for you. Where did I accuse anyone of trying to take that ability away? Is reading comprehension a problem for you or do you just live to make assmptions? I totally agree they are fine the way they were in A16, never said any different. Please if you are going to quote and respond to me then respond to something I actually said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Lee Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Where did I accuse anyone of trying to take that ability away? Is reading comprehension a problem for you or do you just live to make assmptions? I totally agree they are fine the way they were in A16, never said any different. Please if you are going to quote and respond to me then respond to something I actually said! We're not assuming, we're trying to figure out what the hell you're going on about. If all you care about is picking up workstations, guess what, that hasn't been changed. It seems like YOU are the one with the problem with reading comprehension. Nobody ever said anything about getting rid of the ability to pick up and move workstations. We simply do not like being restricted to one LCB, regardless of everything else. Can you not figure that out from the multitude of previous posts? At this point, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzalicious Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Easy boys, this post is supposed to be about TFP taking away the ability to protect with more than 1 LCB not attack each other. Back to the matter at hand. Even the 1 LCB is unclaiming itself and breaking by itself, bug obviously. It is just a stupid change and needs to be reverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATA Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 i think we need to make a vote for the old LCB System so we get it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 We're not assuming, we're trying to figure out what the hell you're going on about. If all you care about is picking up workstations, guess what, that hasn't been changed. It seems like YOU are the one with the problem with reading comprehension. Nobody ever said anything about getting rid of the ability to pick up and move workstations. We simply do not like being restricted to one LCB, regardless of everything else. Can you not figure that out from the multitude of previous posts? At this point, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Yes, it HAS been changes, hence why I am against the new single lcb block. As it stands now I can't pickup and move things like solar panels/gennies/traps etc from a lareg style base which I normally like to build. Once more to be clear, I AM NOT FOR THE SINGLE LCB BLOCK! I USE IT TO PICK UP ITEMS. I WANT IT TO WORK OVER A BASE LARGER THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY DOES. The only thing I was "arguing" was how vital the base protect PORTION of the lcb block is in my preferred PvE playstyle. Now does it sink into your head what I was trying to get across? Do you have anymore assumptions and misunderstandings that I need to clear up for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Lee Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Yes, it HAS been changes, hence why I am against the new single lcb block. As it stands now I can't pickup and move things like solar panels/gennies/traps etc from a lareg style base which I normally like to build. Once more to be clear, I AM NOT FOR THE SINGLE LCB BLOCK! I USE IT TO PICK UP ITEMS. I WANT IT TO WORK OVER A BASE LARGER THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY DOES. The only thing I was "arguing" was how vital the base protect PORTION of the lcb block is in my preferred PvE playstyle. Now does it sink into your head what I was trying to get across? Do you have anymore assumptions and misunderstandings that I need to clear up for you? My apologies, I was under the impression that we could still pick up and move our workstations at the time. Been testing more through actual gameplay than creative, focused more on zombie changes and behavior than other stuff. Yet another bad idea from the devs, what were they thinking. Hadn't progressed enough to even build one due to the wipe required by b199 release. I agree, not being able to move our own workstations at all is absolutely ridiculous. Not sure what the devs are going for with all the changes to LCBs, but I don't like any of them. The LCBs are bugged as well, going inactive, showing their symbol in random places on the compass and map. My LCB has traveled more than I ever could with a vehicle. I have always hated mining for resources, which means I only mine for necessity, and with that said, I didn't mind mining for the large amounts of iron that it took to make lots of LCBs for making large builds in A16. I really hope they listen to the players and revert these changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzalicious Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Making LCBs was easy in the past 3 alpha's ive been in. They could raise the amount it takes to make them quite honestly or require something else in them to make them as well as steel. This change does not but screw over the players that like to build artwork or large bases on PVE and does nothing but screw over PVPers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergoros Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Soooo, any news on this topic? Are devs working on this issue? I was hoping to see at least some acknowledgement of the problem in latest patch notes at least. But it seems they are working on fixing new system, instead of returning an old working one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poojam Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 This is exactly why. It goes against the entire concept of a land claim block. In a PVP setting the claim spam can not possibly be a good thing, which is apparent from some servers increasing the crafting cost to ridiculous levels... which only makes it more devastating if you get killed as a noob and lose the one claim block that you have. They increased the land claim blocks to ridiculous levels for multiple reasons. One, for throttling size/scale of builds which coincidentally helps controls spamming . Two, for adding difficulty. Three, for giving them additional value to derive additional conflict through raiding/stealing. I've hosted my own and been an admin on several large multiplayer servers for over a 1000 of my in-game hours. I've only ever seen one server where this became a mild problem on ~ day 1200, and in which case, we simply made a server ruleset that you couldn't claim stores. Very minor problem for our admins and mods to take care of. I have seen one other server prohibit claiming in towns, which I thought was lazy - but I understood because their mod actually repop'd towns every 30 days. Fixing this spamming problem by allowing only one LCB comes at an incredible cost to multiplayer PVE and PVP servers alike. Please revert this change to allow for multiple land claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Gazz; with all due respect you guys haven't played on as many public servers as the guys sitting here posting that there needs to be more have... hell, you've probably played the game the most out of ALL of the devs, and you've got to know you're out of touch... Multiple lcb's are useful for public servers, for a variety of reasons. You guys should just go back to using the bedroll for spawn protection and wrenching benches, it would solve every conceivable REAL problem, not the made up ones about spamming lcb's ruining servers. It just doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zourin Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Even in single player, I'd like to be able to set up small places I could stop and camp out for the night if I'm looting a new town without having to build a freestanding building or deactivate the LCB in the converted barn I'm using as a homebase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grieferbastard Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Yeah, I really dislike the change. I at least have beds prevent spawning nearby. This makes it impossible yo set up bolt holes other than freestanding. It's a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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