A20 i'm disappointed

[Ornias]

About the only glitch I see is my ride teleporting around. It is inconvenient to run out of a building chased by irradiated hordes and discover my bike has moved 3 city blocks over.  

[theFlu]

3 hours ago, v101 said:

2 -> Ur dog is a "good boy" be polite and dont try to be the man, u r not.

Oo, you might be right. Sorry for all the occasionally useful four-legged friends for the comparison.

 

3 hours ago, v101 said:

3 -> That is really a good news and i thank you for pointing that to me.

You're welcome. And seriously, go file those bug reports

[Survior]

4 hours ago, v101 said:

ahhh the alpha shield the constant excuse
Lemme share even this one
 

 

looks interesting share more pics of this, I can't quite get my head around it.

 

[v101]

Yea i understand, but tha hell this is again the "alpha shield".
It's not hard to notify the user in the main screen to manually wipe data, and what data to wipe.
It's just lazyness and disrespectful of customers.

7 hours ago, Survior said:

 

looks interesting share more pics of this, I can't quite get my head around it.

 

That is a building "imposter" or "Impostor" bug..... i was running ... just running no DM / CM on .... just playing .

I should record my games, have no time for that.

 

 

9 hours ago, theFlu said:

Oo, you might be right. Sorry for all the occasionally useful four-legged friends for the comparison.

I confirm what i said above.

 

 

10 hours ago, Ornias said:

About the only glitch I see is my ride teleporting around. It is inconvenient to run out of a building chased by irradiated hordes and discover my bike has moved 3 city blocks over.  

Dang that is way too bad, still havent tested vehicles as in my actual run (level 20 no int) ... in 20 days i could not find a single "forge" or "bench" recipe....
But i've found recipes for motion sensors, electrical stuff and other end-game devices (loot is way too RNG and broken)

And by now i can confirm that there is something odd in the drops, it seems that the random generator have some issues as it keeps on spawning certain items and never other items.

And pls dev, roll back farming to A19 .... or A16 version.

 

 

I just deleted the savegames, now i'm cleaning up the installation by wiping data (that i a shame that after so many years we still have to do this)
As i said at least, tell your customer with a text box in-game, that we should clean the installation and WHAT to clean.
[EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4
 

Edited December 31, 2021 by v101 (see edit history)

[Darklegend222]

21 minutes ago, v101 said:

Yea i understand, but tha hell this is again the "alpha shield".
It's not hard to notify the user in the main screen to manually wipe data, and what data to wipe.
It's just lazyness and disrespectful of customers.

That is a building "imposter" or "Impostor" bug..... i was running ... just running no DM / CM on .... just playing .

I should record my games, have no time for that.

 

 

I confirm what i said above.

 

 

Dang that is way too bad, still havent tested vehicles as in my actual run (level 20 no int) ... in 20 days i could not find a single "forge" or "bench" recipe....
But i've found recipes for motion sensors, electrical stuff and other end-game devices (loot is way too RNG and broken)

And by now i can confirm that there is something odd in the drops, it seems that the random generator have some issues as it keeps on spawning certain items and never other items.

And pls dev, roll back farming to A19 .... or A16 version.

 

 

I just deleted the savegames, now i'm cleaning up the installation by wiping data (that i a shame that after so many years we still have to do this)
As i said at least, tell your customer with a text box in-game, that we should clean the installation and WHAT to clean.
[EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4
 

The devs are extremely out of touch with how these things are. I myself am 1048 hours in the game and I didn't know this since A16. Every other early access game I've ever played has never once forced the player to do this. It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.

 

The game should detect if the player has an upgraded version and recommend that we delete every file within the launcher, or have a script that does it automatically. It's a shame how buggy and volatile the files are. Every time I personally clean and reinstall a completely new bug appears but the older one isn't there.

 

I've even went out of my way to get a new drive to put the game on and I'm still always having the same generic issues. It's a real shame how buggy the game is and how poorly it can get handled.

 

It's still a fun game nonetheless, but I won't recommend it until it's out of early access. I can't imagine telling my friends to pay $30 for the game and then deal with every single hassle along the way that the volatile code offers.

[v101]

28 minutes ago, Darklegend222 said:

The devs are extremely out of touch with how these things are. I myself am 1048 hours in the game and I didn't know this since A16. Every other early access game I've ever played has never once forced the player to do this. It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.

 

The game should detect if the player has an upgraded version and recommend that we delete every file within the launcher, or have a script that does it automatically. It's a shame how buggy and volatile the files are. Every time I personally clean and reinstall a completely new bug appears but the older one isn't there.

 

I've even went out of my way to get a new drive to put the game on and I'm still always having the same generic issues. It's a real shame how buggy the game is and how poorly it can get handled.

 

It's still a fun game nonetheless, but I won't recommend it until it's out of early access. I can't imagine telling my friends to pay $30 for the game and then deal with every single hassle along the way that the volatile code offers.

I agree, on that, but i understand the fact that u can also play the version u like.
Automating such procedure could cause even a worst backlash, if they just notified that in the game main menu all users wouls have seen that information.

Actually there is some fun still there, but the good things added in the new version are totally destroyed by the bad things.

 

Sorry another fun fact.
After wiping data and restarting i re-configured my keybindings (as is utterly stupid wheel up -> item down and vice-versa)

Well after re-entering the game i've found all personal keybinds gone, i had to re configure everything from mouse sensitivity (way too high) to keys ....
Are u facing this issue ?
Not to mention the game crashes 15% of the times i try to load a savegame.

Edited December 31, 2021 by v101 (see edit history)

[RipClaw]

40 minutes ago, Darklegend222 said:

It is purely their fault for giving no information to the player unless you hound the forums which is not how it should work.

 

Actually, all you had to do was read the release notes.
 

Quote

Alpha 20 is not compatible with previous Alpha worlds or save game data. New Pregen-Maps have been created and can be used. We also advise that you delete the 7 Days save Game data folder before playing.

 

https://7daystodie.com/a20-official-release-notes/

 

The release notes are also linked on Steam.

[v101]

11 minutes ago, RipClaw said:

 

Actually, all you had to do was read the release notes.
 

 

https://7daystodie.com/a20-official-release-notes/

 

The release notes are also linked on Steam.

 

Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 

[DiegoLBC1]

You can read on Steam page and forum announcement. I always read each announcement/version note.

 

It takes litteraly no time to read these notes on Steam page too

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by DiegoLBC1 (see edit history)

[canadianbluebeer]

8 minutes ago, v101 said:

 

Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 

 

People not reading the information presented is not new.

I've people not even read what is on the screen during installation.   (or error messages)

So even having it show the link/info doesn't mean people will read it. (many will not)

 

I suppose they could put something for first launch with "Did you delete/clean the old data via... bladeeblah",

(I'd put that in, with a followup of "Are you sure?  Just checkin ya know. Baaad things will happen if ya didn't!")

 

(actually, that would be hilarious if they did put that in. Have the screamer lookin at ya...  heh)

 

When a new major alpha comes out,  pretty much always wipe the data.

(personally, I just rename the game folder, and copy the savegames out.  Makes it easier to go back to an older alpha.

I still go back to 16.4 and my 8km tunnels from time to time)  

 

RNG btw, is really really brutal this alpha.  The R is really, really random.

Kinda how in 16, one game it's day 50 and no minibike book, make a new game, and it's in the first trashpile you loot. hrmph!  😛

 

 

 

[Krougal]

11 hours ago, Ornias said:

About the only glitch I see is my ride teleporting around. It is inconvenient to run out of a building chased by irradiated hordes and discover my bike has moved 3 city blocks over.  

That's those zombie children out joyriding.

[meganoth]

30 minutes ago, v101 said:

 

Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.
 

 

I have to agree generally. Failure management and error correction (in other words the boring stuff) seems to have been neglected somewhat. It should not be necessary to manually delete old generated worlds when those worlds already have versioning information in them.

 

I don't agree that A20's new features are garbage or that the changes (for example to farming) are bad, but that has been already discussed in other threads. With all the technical problems you had I would also say that you didn't have the time to really try them out and give them a chance.

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by meganoth (see edit history)

[Krougal]

20 minutes ago, v101 said:

 

Do you realize that not all players do that, they hit play on steam and just play the game?
You cannot pretend all players to read stuff online, even if official.

An important information should always be in the most viewed place. It's common sense.
It takes litteraly no time to add a message box in the main menu (the right place to put critical information).
Devs can also use such panel to display more info or notes for the players so who does not follow the forum or the dev page will be informed about critical stuff.


 

The fact of the matter is people just don't read. When I was an SA I could put announcements up in big bold flashing red letters that you had to click ok to get rid of and I would still get the "well nobody told me the system was going down"

[v101]

59 minutes ago, DiegoLBC1 said:

You can read on Steam page and forum announcement. I always read each announcement/version note.

 

It takes litteraly no time to read these notes on Steam page too

 

Its the same things i said above .... same issue, not all read that, add an in game notification that is where suc info should be!
Again it's common sense.

 

53 minutes ago, canadianbluebeer said:

 

People not reading the information presented is not new.

I've people not even read what is on the screen during installation.   (or error messages)

So even having it show the link/info doesn't mean people will read it. (many will not)

 

I suppose they could put something for first launch with "Did you delete/clean the old data via... bladeeblah",

(I'd put that in, with a followup of "Are you sure?  Just checkin ya know. Baaad things will happen if ya didn't!")

 

(actually, that would be hilarious if they did put that in. Have the screamer lookin at ya...  heh)

 

When a new major alpha comes out,  pretty much always wipe the data.

(personally, I just rename the game folder, and copy the savegames out.  Makes it easier to go back to an older alpha.

I still go back to 16.4 and my 8km tunnels from time to time)  

 

RNG btw, is really really brutal this alpha.  The R is really, really random.

Kinda how in 16, one game it's day 50 and no minibike book, make a new game, and it's in the first trashpile you loot. hrmph!  😛

 

 

 

Yeah i know that, happens to me too, so i learned that i have to put those info where everybody sees them.
Like a big alert popup in the main application page.

And yes RNG is pretty broken in this version. I fear something is not quite right with seeds.

 

 

52 minutes ago, meganoth said:

 

I have to agree generally. Failure management and error correction (in other words the boring stuff) seems to have been neglected somewhat. It should not be necessary to manually delete old generated worlds when those worlds already have versioning information in them.

 

I don't agree that A20's new features are garbage or that the changes (for example to farming) are bad, but that has been already discussed in other threads. With all the technical problems you had I would also say that you didn't have the time to really try them out and give them a chance.

 

I think that communication is fundamental. That will help alot not too see such arguments any more.
But i also understand why there is a manual data-wipe, knowing about such thing will help alot.

Not all A20 features are that bad, some are really cool (as shown in the screen below).
But Pipe baton is terrible, whoever though about that kind of weapon clearly knows nothing about weapons and fighting. 
The pipe shotty is useless, why didn't u made a double barrel shotty is beyond me, and the reload animation is painfully slow making such weapon pretty useless.
The pipe pistol suffers the same problem about the reload animation.
The pipe machinegun is way too op, and makes the ak useless (1 pipe and u r repaired ... more less same damage) Why didn't u made the pipe machinegun .... an semi-automatic smg (u know automatic weaps are really hard to make)

The companion dron is 100% pointless, flyng around hiding ur visual ... for what ? ... that drone should not exists in this game.

The new building integrity is just terrible, if 1 ledge breaks all the building collapses.... why ? Just propagate the collapse on "red/orange" integrity voxels ... and not through all the building. 

Farming ... who the hell decided the new farming system ?
U know irl u plant a seed and IF it sprouts ... u will grow a plant capable of generating tons of fruis / veggies with tons of seeds!!!
from 1 seed u can grow a farm if u have enough time.
And there is no such thing as a "potato seed".

Should i go on with the list of "not good new features" ?

And here is the promised screen, the new skin lighting system at it's best (don get me wrong the idea is cool, but u have more important stuff to fix before those worthless aestethics)
 

Edited December 31, 2021 by v101 (see edit history)

[outhous]

8 hours ago, v101 said:

EDIT]: thank to another user i just discovered that this game has a laucher (not accessible in steam u have to manually launch it)
There i can wipe data with the automatic procedure.... i wish i knew that b4

There is  literally a box that opens with the option to Play the Game or Run the Launcher EVERYTIME you launch the game.

Edited December 31, 2021 by outhous (see edit history)

[v101]

3 minutes ago, outhous said:

You literally a box that opens with the option to Play the Game or Run the Launcher EVERYTIME you launch the game.

U dont get the point, please avoid this thread, is not for you.

[meganoth]

58 minutes ago, v101 said:

U dont get the point, please avoid this thread, is not for you.

Is that your level of discussing?

 

I get that question to start the launcher every time. But I don't know if this is happening to everyone, I am on a different operating system and I think I have seen someone else not getting this question pop-up on Windows. It may have something to do with old settings in the registry maybe

Edited December 31, 2021 by meganoth (see edit history)

[theFlu]

1 hour ago, v101 said:

But Pipe baton is terrible, whoever though about that kind of weapon clearly knows nothing about weapons and fighting. 

It's a Tonfa, it is an actual weapon. Just a pipe aesthetic of it. Also used by modern law enforcement in places. But it's everyone else who doesn't know weapons.

1 hour ago, v101 said:

The pipe shotty is useless, why didn't u made a double barrel shotty is beyond me, and the reload animation is painfully slow making such weapon pretty useless.
The pipe pistol suffers the same problem about the reload animation.

Kinda the point of the pipe weapons, to be useless. Double barrel is still in game, just the next tier.. "why not the first tier?" because this is a copy-paste of the blunderbuss which had its functionality pretty balanced already.

1 hour ago, v101 said:

The companion dron is 100% pointless, flyng around hiding ur visual ... for what ? ... that drone should not exists in this game.

Work in progress (omg no, the APLHAEXCUSE - if you don't like alpha, wait til gold). for what? Two rows of inventory is quite enough for it to be useful. But sure, let's not develop a game in its alpha phases because Our Royal Highness is displeased.

 

1 hour ago, v101 said:

U know irl u plant a seed and IF it sprouts ... u will grow a plant capable of generating tons of fruis / veggies with tons of seeds!!!
from 1 seed u can grow a farm if u have enough time.

 

Sounds good.. add a 40-90 day growth cycle depending on plant and we're getting close. Some seasonality and pests and such still required.

1 hour ago, v101 said:

And there is no such thing as a "potato seed".

There is. Sure, usually potatoes are cloned from root parts, but the plant does actually flower and produce seeds. But yeh, farming sucks because it doesn't take a third of a year to grow the first crop.

 

1 hour ago, v101 said:

Should i go on with the list of "not good new features" ?

Sure, I might too..?

[Mahnogard]

4 minutes ago, meganoth said:

I get that option to start the launcher every time. But I don't know if this is happening to everyone, I am on a different operating system and I think I have seen someone else not getting this question pop-up on Windows. It may have something to do with old settings in the registry maybe

 

If you start the game from the Steam main interface "Play" button, you get the launcher option every time. However, if start it by using the list of recently played games by right-clicking the Steam tray icon, it goes straight into the game. I used to use that method to start a lot of games but the same thing happens with other games that have start options and sometimes I need the start-up choices (ie, starting Ark with or without anti-cheat depending on server, etc) so I broke the habit of using that.

[meganoth]

4 minutes ago, Mahnogard said:

 

If you start the game from the Steam main interface "Play" button, you get the launcher option every time. However, if start it by using the list of recently played games by right-clicking the Steam tray icon, it goes straight into the game. I used to use that method to start a lot of games but the same thing happens with other games that have start options and sometimes I need the start-up choices (ie, starting Ark with or without anti-cheat depending on server, etc) so I broke the habit of using that.

 

Ah, thanks. On my computer there is no list of recently played games accesible from the tray icon, either a fundamental difference or maybe a specific setting in the options.

1 hour ago, v101 said:

Its the same things i said above .... same issue, not all read that, add an in game notification that is where suc info should be!
Again it's common sense.

 

Yeah i know that, happens to me too, so i learned that i have to put those info where everybody sees them.
Like a big alert popup in the main application page.

And yes RNG is pretty broken in this version. I fear something is not quite right with seeds.

 

 

I think that communication is fundamental. That will help alot not too see such arguments any more.
But i also understand why there is a manual data-wipe, knowing about such thing will help alot.

Not all A20 features are that bad, some are really cool (as shown in the screen below).
But Pipe baton is terrible, whoever though about that kind of weapon clearly knows nothing about weapons and fighting. 
The pipe shotty is useless, why didn't u made a double barrel shotty is beyond me, and the reload animation is painfully slow making such weapon pretty useless.
The pipe pistol suffers the same problem about the reload animation.
The pipe machinegun is way too op, and makes the ak useless (1 pipe and u r repaired ... more less same damage) Why didn't u made the pipe machinegun .... an semi-automatic smg (u know automatic weaps are really hard to make)

The companion dron is 100% pointless, flyng around hiding ur visual ... for what ? ... that drone should not exists in this game.

The new building integrity is just terrible, if 1 ledge breaks all the building collapses.... why ? Just propagate the collapse on "red/orange" integrity voxels ... and not through all the building. 

Farming ... who the hell decided the new farming system ?
U know irl u plant a seed and IF it sprouts ... u will grow a plant capable of generating tons of fruis / veggies with tons of seeds!!!
from 1 seed u can grow a farm if u have enough time.
And there is no such thing as a "potato seed".

Should i go on with the list of "not good new features" ?

And here is the promised screen, the new skin lighting system at it's best (don get me wrong the idea is cool, but u have more important stuff to fix before those worthless aestethics)
 

 

What theFlu said.

And regarding the SI issue, I'm not aware that there has been a change in how collapsing works. But there seems to be a bug that makes buildings collapse even though they are structurally sound because updates to SI sometimes don't register

 

 

[v101]

1 hour ago, meganoth said:

Is that your level of discussing?

 

I get that question to start the launcher every time. But I don't know if this is happening to everyone, I am on a different operating system and I think I have seen someone else not getting this question pop-up on Windows. It may have something to do with old settings in the registry maybe

1 yes i prefere not to talk with ppl that cannot se the point. Simple.
2 yes maybe some configuration issue or difference, that's is why "put the message in the main page of the game" is the perfect place, every player will get that, no excuses whatsoever then.

 

1 hour ago, theFlu said:

It's a Tonfa, it is an actual weapon. Just a pipe aesthetic of it. Also used by modern law enforcement in places. But it's everyone else who doesn't know weapons.

Kinda the point of the pipe weapons, to be useless. Double barrel is still in game, just the next tier.. "why not the first tier?" because this is a copy-paste of the blunderbuss which had its functionality pretty balanced already.

Work in progress (omg no, the APLHAEXCUSE - if you don't like alpha, wait til gold). for what? Two rows of inventory is quite enough for it to be useful. But sure, let's not develop a game in its alpha phases because Our Royal Highness is displeased.

 

 

Sounds good.. add a 40-90 day growth cycle depending on plant and we're getting close. Some seasonality and pests and such still required.

There is. Sure, usually potatoes are cloned from root parts, but the plant does actually flower and produce seeds. But yeh, farming sucks because it doesn't take a third of a year to grow the first crop.

 

Sure, I might too..?

Are u still here trying to be the hero?
100% disagree with u on mostly all of your points.

 

1 - the weap is of course in use with law enforcement... but they use a well crafted "baton" not a crappy pipe assembly that is totally unreliable. And they dont use it like u see in the game either. A simple ppipe "stick" would have been simpler to design and animate correctly.
Have u ever used one of those, or a stick or a weapon in general ?  (i'm curious)

2 - if they r useless why invest time on that ? It's a waste of time / money and player time.  U see u contradict yourself at every step u fall even on your own logic.

3 - so it' just a lazy remodel and add re-animate and paste over of the good "buss" so -> totally worthless.

4 - not even commenting on that one, as that sentence is as meaningful as a pipe baton

5 - THERE ARE NO POTATO SEEDS -> https://www.thespruce.com/what-are-seed-potatoes-4120142

 

I'm not saying i need a full farming simulator, but the A19 was already good enough for the game, the A20 is .... [dont force me to use bad words here]

 

 

1 hour ago, meganoth said:

 

What theFlu said.

And regarding the SI issue, I'm not aware that there has been a change in how collapsing works. But there seems to be a bug that makes buildings collapse even though they are structurally sound because updates to SI sometimes don't register

 

 

 

I tested some building collpase in CM .... and it's terrible, i had to do that, cause in a real run a had a building to collapse 10 mins b4 the horde only for removing 1 block from a well supported bridge
That building was well supported on 4 pillars and a house.... so i went to test and every time i did the same, the building collpased cause of the collapse of the "bridge" for ... reasons.
Maybe i will produce a video about that if i will have time.
 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by v101 (see edit history)

[theFlu]

7 minutes ago, v101 said:

Have u ever used one of those, or a stick or a weapon in general ?  (i'm curious)

Hey, we're keyboard warrioring here, I can tell you with confidentiatility that I have over 300 confirmed kills, am a member of an elite trained SEAL group and.. no I'm not going to the death threat portions of that particular meme, you might get offended.. A little more seriously, yeh, I've trained a few different types of sticks, bo, jo, kali sticks etc, among with a few other weaponry analogues. Makes absolutely no difference though.. the pipe baton is just a game version of an actual weapon, pretty much like every other weapon in the game.. none of them are real nor functional.

13 minutes ago, v101 said:

2 - if they r useless why invest time on that ? It's a waste of time / money and player time. 

Indeed. I don't invest in them. But there's an actual argument to be made, instead of just telling TFP to discard couple decades of labor because you don't like the current iteration.

 

17 minutes ago, v101 said:

3 - so it' just a lazy remodel and add re-animate and paste over of the good "buss" so -> totally worthless.

Indeed, the pipe weapons are weak enough to be considered rather useless. The main thing they do offer for anyone competent is a slight ability for burst damage when useful. Turn a 3v1 to a 2v1, one shotgun shell is plenty for that.

 

19 minutes ago, v101 said:

4 - not even commenting on that one

Not even commenting on playing an Alpha and complaining about it being an Alpha. I am not surprised; mildly amused, thank you for that, but not exactly surprised.

 

16 minutes ago, v101 said:

5 - THERE ARE NO POTATO SEEDS ->

THERE INDEED ARE POTATO SEEDS -> https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/potato/true-potato-seed-growing.htm

Copy-pasting a random article, like yourself. Seemed to support my position.

[v101]

14 minutes ago, theFlu said:

Hey, we're keyboard warrioring here, I can tell you with confidentiatility that I have over 300 confirmed kills, am a member of an elite trained SEAL group and.. no I'm not going to the death threat portions of that particular meme, you might get offended.. A little more seriously, yeh, I've trained a few different types of sticks, bo, jo, kali sticks etc, among with a few other weaponry analogues. Makes absolutely no difference though.. the pipe baton is just a game version of an actual weapon, pretty much like every other weapon in the game.. none of them are real nor functional.

Indeed. I don't invest in them. But there's an actual argument to be made, instead of just telling TFP to discard couple decades of labor because you don't like the current iteration.

I did not asked ur life-story ... as could not care less who the f u r. As the same is for you regarding me.
So yeah u had some training, and if that animation doesn't makes your eyes bleed i have to assume that u r just sharing yout COD stats.
(kali is just a BS circus cool to see btw like looking at medioeval jester)
 

14 minutes ago, theFlu said:

Indeed, the pipe weapons are weak enough to be considered rather useless. The main thing they do offer for anyone competent is a slight ability for burst damage when useful. Turn a 3v1 to a 2v1, one shotgun shell is plenty for that.

If something is bad ... is bad ... and if it does not work, yes trash it and start over.
Sometimes happens and realizing a mistake is not a bad thing.

 

14 minutes ago, theFlu said:

Indeed, the pipe weapons are weak enough to be considered rather useless. The main thing they do offer for anyone competent is a slight ability for burst damage when useful. Turn a 3v1 to a 2v1, one shotgun shell is plenty for that.

Stop trying to crawl on mirrors. If an item is useless, there not even little use as u pretend convince yourself.

 

14 minutes ago, theFlu said:

Not even commenting on playing an Alpha and complaining about it being an Alpha. I am not surprised; mildly amused, thank you for that, but not exactly surprised.

Again the "alpha shield"

Release    

    Microsoft Windows, OS X
    December 13, 2013

It's 2021....  Star Citizen is in alpha by less time.
 

14 minutes ago, theFlu said:

Copy-pasting a random article, like yourself. Seemed to support my position.

No it's the opposite it's not a "radom article" is the truth, like sayin water is wet.
If u cannot see the truth not my problem. But dont spread BS please. THERE ARE NO "POTATO SEED"

P.S. it's becoming pointless to talk to u too, like the other dude. U dont get the point.
So gl with your COD playthrough.
 

Edited December 31, 2021 by v101 (see edit history)

[theFlu]

8 minutes ago, v101 said:

as could not care less who the f u r.

Then why did you ask? Just to imply I have no idea of stick weapons? Not trolling he says.

9 minutes ago, v101 said:

and if that animation doesn't makes your eyes bleed i have to assume

The animation could be improved, sure, but the swings taken aren't exactly impossible. The "spin around the handle" is silly, more of a provocation than anything else, but hey, it's a game. Calling it trash and commanding a redo without any input on what or how to improve isn't exactly helpful though.

12 minutes ago, v101 said:

If an item is useless, there not even little use as u pretend convince yourself.

They are intentionally "useless"; as in, they're designed Not to be your main weapon. No matter how much you try to convince yourself that removing a head from a zombie isn't useful, the reality will disagree.

17 minutes ago, v101 said:

No it's the opposite it's not a "radom article" is the truth, like sayin water is wet.
If u cannot see the truth not my problem. But dont spread BS please. THERE ARE NO "POTATO SEED"

No, no, MY article is the actual word of God, yours is just some pagan worshipping troll propaganda. Or, like I said, the normal way to farm spuds is via clones, but the plant indeed does produce seeds. Just because you can't be arsed to read anything, doesn't mean you're right...

[BFT2020]

It is up to TFP how long they want to be in Alpha.  We purchased the game knowing it was in Alpha with no released date stated; but they have constantly updated the game since 2013 and pushing for final release after a few more development cycles.  While it has been a long time, 3k+ hours means it has been money well spent on my part.

 

As theFlu mentioned, using pipe weapons have benefits in the early game.  Having a pipe pistol on my toolbelt allowed me to unload into a zombie when I was low on health and waiting on stamina to recharge.  It was the only thing that saved me at that point.

 

Just because some people find them useless doesn't make it universal.  I been enjoying having those pipe weapons early game to use the ammo I have been finding to get out of sticky situations.  If you don't want the pipe weapons, journey into the harder biomes to get your loot stage to jump up faster and you will start to find T1 weapons.