Lets help TFP improve PvP

[bloom_meister]

So over in the A17 thread MM has responded that whilst not a priority right now, he would like to make substantial positive changes changes to make, in his own words, 'pvp awesome'. Now things like netcode is something that we cant influence and thats down to TFP to fix, and they have it on their list, but how about the PVP community generate some realistic and sensible suggestions here for improving pvp that TFP can perhaps use as a starting point for some changes.

 

When making your suggestions I would ask, and you are free to ignore, that you suggest changes that do not impact the pve experience in a negative way, for myself i dont want to (negatively) change the pve game by making changes to pvp

 

I will start off with one thing that drives my friend nuts, sound travel distance. In earlier alphas you could hear an auger from 6-7k away and a forge from maybe 2-3k, you could even hear someone opening a drawer from a good half k away and that was rightly nerfed as it was unrealistic but as my friend points out to me, its not unrealistic to want to hear a gunshot from a couple kilometres away. So my first suggestion is to change the sound travel distance for certain actions and items. In keeping with my own request i dont beleive this impacts the pve experience.

 

Looking forward to hearing lots of good suggestions from the pvp community and please, if you dont like pvp or you dont like pve players, keep that stuff out of the thread, just looking for constructive feedback the devs can consider.

[Roland]

The moderator team will remove any comments that are off-topic or flaming against PvP here and give the author an infraction. This thread is for constructive suggestions and not for debating whether 7 Days to Die is meant for PvP.

 

Please report any argumentative posts and refrain from responding to them so cleanup is easy.

[Guppycur]

Getting rid of the video setting cheats in PvP would help.

[eidobunny]

There is a decent thread set up already with a lot of my biggest desires as a PvP player:

 

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?59401-quot-The-PvP-Update-quot

 

That said, here are my main concerns:

 

-Sound radii need to be increased to encourage players to hunt each other through sound. You used to have to make decisions on what sounds you were going to risk making at any given time. You had to choose if it was worth it to run your forge lest someone hear it and attack your base. Now you can basically do anything you want and never have to worry about anyone hearing you. This is a big detriment to PvP.

-We need additional functionality for land claim blocks, so server owners can decide on things like "no offline raiding, at all," and to consider certain cases like combat logging

-Smaller maps to encourage more conflict

-Reduce weapon damage significantly to prevent cheesy one-shot kills. The AK-47 and rocket launcher are both extremely overpowered weapons in PvP, though the rocket launcher is too fun to give up. Not sure why TFP didn't stop at sniper/smg. Those weapons were great endgame weapons. Strong but not absurdly so.

-Add hacking/cheating prevention measures. I've played with SO many people who can pinpoint your location (via hacks), pinpoint your bedroll or land claims (via hacks), open any passworded door without the code, literally fly and teleport around while rapidly setting off an infinite amount of dynamite in their wake, duping, building floating bases, etc.

-Add some sort of "end goal" that allows a player to win and causes a wipe/reset (and takes 2-4 weeks to attain) or give server admins an easy way to trigger a wipe/restart after a certain amount of days. PvP becomes stale and imbalanced the longer it goes on. And the longer it goes, the less new players you're going to bring in until eventually the server dies completely. Most people want to join a game in the first 100 days. Anything later and you're at too severe of a disadvantage. There needs to be some way to handle this, as it's a problem that specifically unique to PvP and not particularly present in coop.

[Royal Deluxe]

Serverowner option

PVP Kill (as first blood/started fight)= Set player to Permadeath

 

(For PvE > PVP server

In real the reason why bandits dont come back is that they dont respawn)

 

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Serverowner option to define a Backpack and Player level for new player and Permadeath restarts

 

Option for a "Get XP" multiplyer

(To allow new player to reach the same level fast)

 

 

And all of this seeable in the Server screen.

 

 

 

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Reasoning

PVP at eye level is the only real PVP, everything else is nearly allways griefing. My suggestions above are only fast suggestions i had this moment in my brain. But this changes and some other could be bound together in a "PVP on eye level" ruleset that can have one triggerbox in the serverlist

[RestInPieces]

Linking a thread I made a few months ago. It explores, not a separate PvP mode or improvements to PvP itself, but how long-term PvP can be integrated into the game, in harmony with PvE, for a more complete post-apocalypse world, which I consider to be much more interesting than yet another deathmatch mode: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?84028-quot-Civilized-PvP-system-quot

[KingSlayerGM]

Hey, interesting thread I know that this stuff is never going to happen anytime soon. But I HOPE that someday after gold release it will be added.

 

So I would change:

• increase sound distance
  
• increase view distance (i mean the blocks loaded around a player, not the distant terrain...)
  
• set default gamma to 100%, so people cannot cheat and see at night
  
• Fix dupes
  
• Fix 'see through map' bug
  
• Give penalties with traders to players who kill other players
  

 

 

So:

• the sound distance is just a value to be changed (seriously, this is just balance to be done, can you increase sound distance even for pve pls? this could be done right now)
  
• the view distance is just a value to be changed (seriously, why is the default just 12? Just increase the value pls.. this would benefit pvers as well)
  

[Guppycur]

Oh yes, see through the map bug... How could I have forgotten that one... Huuuge.

[iejen]

Sound distance is perfect in games like Fortnite and PUBG.

In Holland we say; "Beter goed gejat dan slecht verzonnen"

[NeferPitou]

hello way to improve PVP in 7 days to die

1-increase the volume of the guns so you can hear someone shooting from long distance so you can get more action

2- fix the duping and cheating

3- fix the bug that you can see though maps by the option called field of view you if max it and make 2 block hight tunnel you can find underground bases

4- LCBs must be something that hard to make

5- make the maps smaller ... i heard that random gen now can only be 8x8 km map it s good but still big that why we need minibikes to be smoth and bug free specially in huge population servers

6- snipers and aks are OP compared to shotguns and SMGs

7- view distance update which is very very importante that you can see huge towers in distance is something very needed i hate it when i run then i skybox tower appeared in 100 m range and that really sucks please make A18 supported to that

8-fix the bug for invisible players may be the new mo cap of A17 is fixing it

9-fix the mining helmet that is on while it appear to you that it s off ive killed so many people using that

10-get XP killing players

thank you

[Royal Deluxe]

hello way to improve PVP in 7 days to die

1-increase the volume of the guns so you can hear someone shooting from long distance so you can get more action

2- fix the duping and cheating

3- fix the bug that you can see though maps by the option called field of view you if max it and make 2 block hight tunnel you can find underground bases

4- LCBs must be something that hard to make

5- make the maps smaller ... i heard that random gen now can only be 8x8 km map it s good but still big that why we need minibikes to be smoth and bug free specially in huge population servers

6- snipers and aks are OP compared to shotguns and SMGs

7- view distance update which is very very importante that you can see huge towers in distance is something very needed i hate it when i run then i skybox tower appeared in 100 m range and that really sucks please make A18 supported to that

8-fix the bug for invisible players may be the new mo cap of A17 is fixing it

9-fix the mining helmet that is on while it appear to you that it s off ive killed so many people using that

10-get XP killing players

thank you

 

The problem i see is simple that smaller maps and long range Visibility and sounds will make combined server useless.

If you cant play the PVE part without telling everyone where you are there is no PVP on eyesight possible.

Other players will allways have the advantage over PVE player.

They know where you are and have the initiative.

And at least i, cant imagine to play this game long therm without PVE Content

[NeferPitou]

The problem i see is simple that smaller maps and long range Visibility and sounds will make combined server useless.

If you cant play the PVE part without telling everyone where you are there is no PVP on eyesight possible.

Other players will allways have the advantage over PVE player.

They know where you are and have the initiative.

And at least i, cant imagine to play this game long therm without PVE Content

 

7x7 is still huge if you think about it and just seeing bases from long distance make sense just like POIs

[bloom_meister]

Traders

 

Unless I get very lucky early game the trader is 90% of the time my source for my first AK47 or Sniper (or any weapon). Personally I find that having a good weapon early is a vital component of pvp and therefore would request that if a server is setup as PVP then both weapons and ammo are removed from the trader as this would increase the importance of loot boxes containing them and heighten the excitement of finding weapons by scavenging. It would also encourage more exploration and discourage the 'turtling' of some players who set up store next to a trader knowing they will get all the ammo and weapons they need from them.

 

I dont know the probability of finding snipers, AK and rocket launchers in loot boxes but I would potentially lower those chances to make them half as rare as they are today (including safes).

 

As other people have pointed out, in A16 it seems everyone has an AK or sniper in a couple of days and this is far removed from the old days when you had to find parts, then make molds (IIRC the sniper had 5 molds) so that back then when you came across someone with a sniper it was a big deal.

 

Traders

 

Add in a penalty to prices for traders for players who kill other players but offset this with quests and bounties so that if a trader asks you to kill player X who has a bad reputation (with the trader) then your own reputation is wiped clean. Make this system track each player so that you may have some traders who hate you and others who love you and represent this with the secrete stash selection of loot available in a similar way to some RPP MMO's whereby a trader who you get to max faction will offer you more or better items

 

 

XP

 

Add in a significant XP gain for killing a player BUT have it drop off dramatically for killing the same player within a set period (say 24 real hours) to stop abuse

 

Traps

 

Add in special blocks (like many mods have done) where certain blocks are given special properties such as 'collapse' (only enough SI to support themselves) or 'explode' on contact

 

Perks

 

Add in some perks that require player kills as pre requisites such as damage modifiers, armour modifiers, run speed modifiers etc. Make these modifiers or perks small so they dont make a big difference but still gain you something, also make them have a high costs such as 5 kills for a perk to add 5% runspeed, 20 kills for a 5% damage modifier with rilfes. On a normal pvp server very few people, even on a 5k day server, have over 10 kills and if you add in the 'does not count if you kill same player in x period of time restriction to stop abuse and 'farming'

 

Health & Stamina

 

Expand on the current system so that if someone desires they can increase their HP/Stam further

Increase the penalty (if its still there for A17) for death from 10 wellness to 20 to discourage farming of friends)

Add a 'stayed alive bonus' so that the longer you go without death the faster your health and stamina regen, this is a naturally balancing effect as sure, you could sit in your hold in the ground for 500 in game days building the bonus but youre not using that bonus for anything as youre not fighting therefore it doesnt matter and the first time you die, its gone.

 

Weapon damage

 

Scale it back to reduce the 1 shot kills, it should still be possible to kill someone with 1 shot to the head from a rifle or sniper but lets make it so that most of the time, unless radically outclassed, you at least have a chance to flee or respond.

 

Nerf (again) or remove exploding crossbow damage radius of effect and damage, its simply an extremely cheap rocket launcher at the moment

 

Bases

 

Add a server PM message for players when one of their protected blocks is damaged by another player. Make this a one message per 10 minutes, for example, to stop the server having to spam messages. This will let someone know they are potentially being raided and give them interesting choices to make if far from home

 

Add in different types of claim blocks with different effects OR allow the player to nominate a block as a claim block by using a 1 time component they have to craft, this will stop other players 'seeing' your claims although they could still work out mathematically where it is to remove it. Think of this as 'upgrading' a block to be a claim and yet the block still retains all its other properties

 

Add in powered windows/hatches that can raise and lower and make these paintable so that your courtyard may for example contain 4 hidden hatches that when activated, either manually or by a motion sensor, then lower and allow your turrets to fire catching the raiders unawares

 

Add in powered doors and sensor blocks or blocks that can be upgrade to be a senor block that recognise you and friends and automatically open doors for you

 

Loot on death

 

Add a perk(s) that allow you to keep one or more item on death, not a realism option but a gameplay one where you could perhaps save your favorite weapon being taken when you die, make it level locked and expensive as hell. I think the functionality for this is already there as when we have backpack drop, as an example, your belt items dont show up to loot, hope that makes sense.

 

Items

 

Add in new tiers of items such as epic and legendary, make them ultra rare, perhaps off boss mobs, and make them expensive to repair, possibly even requiring additional perks. Make them significantly better at what they do, perhaps 15% epic and 30% legendary but balance it so that if you find one its a major wow moment. For clothing add in unique graphic visualisations

 

 

Thats it for now.

[eidobunny]

I'd say I agree with everything except EXP from players. I don't need exp if I'm getting their entire backpack worth of stuff. There's already an inherent reward to killing someone, I don't need anything extra.

[Viktoriusiii]

Hey... so here is my two cents about it. I've been buggering TFPs for what feels like 8 alphas now to fix PvP...

here are some points, ranked by personal importance, to fix pvp:

 

1. get rid of offlineraids.

look... raiding is fun and all. but playing 200 hours to come back to see your stuff gone without any chance of retalliation is just not fun.

The ONLY safe way to store your stuff is for your base never to be found. I've had a huge mountain (90block tunnel with multiple turrets and two stories all with turrets) and the next day EVERYTHING was gone. They burried through reinforced steel and 80 stone blocks like it was nothing. There is virtually no safe way to build your base that doesn't look absolutly horrendous (big pit, multiple layers of steeldoors, multiple rooms inside and so on) and its simply not fun.

Solution: MaxOfflineBlockHp=infinite. Simple as is. Make this setting standart and 95% of pve players will go and play pvp (look at ark. 90% of players play pve... only because offlineraids exist) maybe 5-10min time after logging off for raiders to finish, but not to start just as he goes offline.

 

2. sound range

has been described already, just a short one:

falling trees, chainsaw/auger, guns and maybe stations (workbench,chemestrystation...) should have a diametre of 500m (250m radius).

 

This will make it more atmospheric AND give you counterplay.

 

3. weaponbalance

reduce damage to players with armor. Even full military armor will not save you from beeing killed in just a few shots. Yes realistic, but not fun at all. While it is kinda hard to aim, once you got the hang of it, it is only annoying for the unsuspecting victim.

0% pierce armor -> 50% (hs 200%)hp

50% armor -> 25% (hs 100%)

90% armor -> 5% (hs 20%)

These values can be tweaked, but having full iron armor (all purple) and beeing twoshot by a crossbow (first one gave me bleed damage) is just not at all fun. Luckily I was always far enough from the center (because of point 1) that I was generally the sniper.

 

4. smaller maps

ONLY if offline baseraids are impossible. Me always going towards the edge of the map until i was prepared for pvp (because everything closer then 3km to the center WILL get raided after 2-3 weeks even if underground) Made me miss out on a lot of pvp fun.

Make the map smaller for players to not be able to avoid pvp. But since smaller maps are optional now, this point is kinda mute. Maybe make it 4x4 as standart for pvp.

 

 

 

 

Those are the biggest factors. Ranked by importance.

Again: REMOVE OFFLINERAIDS. A large majority of players dislike coming back online only to find everything they ever did to be gone not very fun so they go play pve instead.

[bloom_meister]

Hey... so here is my two cents about it. I've been buggering TFPs for what feels like 8 alphas now to fix PvP...

here are some points, ranked by personal importance, to fix pvp:

 

1. get rid of offlineraids.

look... raiding is fun and all. but playing 200 hours to come back to see your stuff gone without any chance of retalliation is just not fun.

The ONLY safe way to store your stuff is for your base never to be found. I've had a huge mountain (90block tunnel with multiple turrets and two stories all with turrets) and the next day EVERYTHING was gone. They burried through reinforced steel and 80 stone blocks like it was nothing. There is virtually no safe way to build your base that doesn't look absolutly horrendous (big pit, multiple layers of steeldoors, multiple rooms inside and so on) and its simply not fun.

Solution: MaxOfflineBlockHp=infinite. Simple as is. Make this setting standart and 95% of pve players will go and play pvp (look at ark. 90% of players play pve... only because offlineraids exist) maybe 5-10min time after logging off for raiders to finish, but not to start just as he goes offline.

 

2. sound range

has been described already, just a short one:

falling trees, chainsaw/auger, guns and maybe stations (workbench,chemestrystation...) should have a diametre of 500m (250m radius).

 

This will make it more atmospheric AND give you counterplay.

 

3. weaponbalance

reduce damage to players with armor. Even full military armor will not save you from beeing killed in just a few shots. Yes realistic, but not fun at all. While it is kinda hard to aim, once you got the hang of it, it is only annoying for the unsuspecting victim.

0% pierce armor -> 50% (hs 200%)hp

50% armor -> 25% (hs 100%)

90% armor -> 5% (hs 20%)

These values can be tweaked, but having full iron armor (all purple) and beeing twoshot by a crossbow (first one gave me bleed damage) is just not at all fun. Luckily I was always far enough from the center (because of point 1) that I was generally the sniper.

 

4. smaller maps

ONLY if offline baseraids are impossible. Me always going towards the edge of the map until i was prepared for pvp (because everything closer then 3km to the center WILL get raided after 2-3 weeks even if underground) Made me miss out on a lot of pvp fun.

Make the map smaller for players to not be able to avoid pvp. But since smaller maps are optional now, this point is kinda mute. Maybe make it 4x4 as standart for pvp.

 

 

 

 

Those are the biggest factors. Ranked by importance.

Again: REMOVE OFFLINERAIDS. A large majority of players dislike coming back online only to find everything they ever did to be gone not very fun so they go play pve instead.

 

Hi Viktor and thanks for your feedback.

 

If I may, your feedback contains 2 items that are already coded into the game, let me deal with offline raiding first.

 

On the server settings the server admin can already select from a wide range of protection settings for both online and offline protection, one of these is for infinite or invulnerable protection so you see its already there.

 

Now just as you and i and everyone else has their own opinion on the settings we like (for example I prefer drop all on death and 16 online 32 offline claims) hopefully you would agree that with the wide range of servers out there that the current system allows you to find a server with settings you like and this is far preferable to forcing everyone into an arbitrary 'one size fits all' solution.

 

Short version = your wish has already been granted, join or start a server with the settings you prefer

 

With regard to world size, similar response really, we can already have any world size we want and it seems that with A17 this just got better because for the people who prefer bigger worlds they have got rid of the issue with items shaking the further you go out from the centre. Again, find a server that has a world size you like or you can start one but hopefully once again you would agree that rather than force everyone to use a setting 'you like', that its better to let you and others have the option to have a size that fits them.

 

Short version = your wish has already been granted

 

Your points 2 and 3, agreed in principle, would obviously require tuning.

[Darthjake]

I've had good luck getting sniper loot by looting the military camps, you know, the ones with all the mines around them.... That's usually where I find my first sniper rifle in whole, not just pieces. Strangely enough I tend to get Night Vision goggles out of tree stumps.

[eidobunny]

There are always so many NVG in tree stumps it's ridiculous lmao

 

Speaking of which, fixing the mining helmet bug is also a huge issue I forgot about because I just started using NVG exclusively instead.

 

Anyway if it was up to me I'd remove the AK from the game completely, and make snipers extraordinarily hard to come by (for example, have it be a rare drop off a very high-level boss)

[Viktoriusiii]

Hi Viktor and thanks for your feedback.

 

If I may, your feedback contains 2 items that are already coded into the game, let me deal with offline raiding first.

 

On the server settings the server admin can already select from a wide range of protection settings for both online and offline protection, one of these is for infinite or invulnerable protection so you see its already there.

 

Now just as you and i and everyone else has their own opinion on the settings we like (for example I prefer drop all on death and 16 online 32 offline claims) hopefully you would agree that with the wide range of servers out there that the current system allows you to find a server with settings you like and this is far preferable to forcing everyone into an arbitrary 'one size fits all' solution.

 

Short version = your wish has already been granted, join or start a server with the settings you prefer

 

I disagree.

Since it is not the standart option, setting it to unlimited is a) something most serverowners dont do because they dont want to mess with options for maximum appeal

and b) something that puts it into the "modded" category.

 

If ANYTHING we need a differnt servermanager. Where changing options like daylength, claimblockmultiplier and lootrespawn do not count as "modded" and where you can specifically search for options that fit your playstyle without clicking every single server and looking at its stats.

 

I for example like (online) 120min days and a lot of zombies, infinite offline health and less loot.

But every option that is changed moves the server into the "modded" section which is ignored by most PvP players (nearly all 50+ PvP servers are in the "unmodded section")

 

So no. My wish has not been granted. My wish is an option already. But as it becomes "modded" and therefor no serverowner actually selects it, its effectivly null and void.

 

The problem I see is you like offlineraids. Which is fine. But why should your playstyle be "favoured" and listed as "unmodded" and mine not?

While I personally feel a large majority actually avoids PvP because of offline raids (most players ive met in PvE and PvPvE servers told me exactly that) I don'T want to take that away from you... so the only way would be to not have a "modded" section and be able to search for servers with your preferences and NOT having to click through 100 servers manually.

 

 

I still think offlineraids are the devil and keep a lot of players away from pvp

[Gatling96]

hello way to improve PVP in 7 days to die

1-increase the volume of the guns so you can hear someone shooting from long distance so you can get more action

2- fix the duping and cheating

3- fix the bug that you can see though maps by the option called field of view you if max it and make 2 block hight tunnel you can find underground bases

4- LCBs must be something that hard to make

5- make the maps smaller ... i heard that random gen now can only be 8x8 km map it s good but still big that why we need minibikes to be smoth and bug free specially in huge population servers

6- snipers and aks are OP compared to shotguns and SMGs

7- view distance update which is very very importante that you can see huge towers in distance is something very needed i hate it when i run then i skybox tower appeared in 100 m range and that really sucks please make A18 supported to that

8-fix the bug for invisible players may be the new mo cap of A17 is fixing it

9-fix the mining helmet that is on while it appear to you that it s off ive killed so many people using that

10-get XP killing players

thank you

 

This, exept .5 ... the map need to be bigger imo. Also make underground bases more viable (i have some ideas how but i won't mention them now) Currently the towers are far more superior that bunker...

Second, Add option for LCBs - To be indestructible, to preven base stealing (depends on server rules)

Third - option for PVP damage modifier - To adjust damage done by player to player with firearms (something like 25%, 50%,75%) So accordingly firearms will do 25%, 50%, 75% less damage. This will be very useful for servers on easy setting and for PVP beginners

 

Also it will be nice if there is some neutral perimeter arround the trader,cuz in most of the servers its a death-match area...

 

Thanks for spare time

[eidobunny]

For what it's worth I don't think PvP needs infinite offline claim protection. Higher yeah but not infinite. 64x and a good base design is quite enough to stall an attack for 8 hours while you sleep or are at work. Infinite causes problems especially in the case of players logging on and throwing down claim blocks and quitting shortly after. Or hackers / griefers running around throwing down dozens of claim blocks. Or combat loggers. Imagine you're in the middle of raiding a base and you're stuck down in a giant pit surrounded by concrete walls and the defender just logs off. Well great, now I have to... starve to death?? I'm okay with getting raided or raiding offline. I think the whole dynamic of the game changes if you try to raid someone while they are online anyway. The best player vs player combat is two players running into each other while looting a city or gathering resources or something like that. Base raids are usually a test of a player's ability to design a base specifically around getting raided while they are offline, and a raider's ability to accurately predict a defender's base design and get to the loot as quickly and efficiently as possible. We have the power to design such bases because we are given a completely destructible and constructible voxel-based world. A game like Ark or Rust would benefit more from complete offline protection IMO. I actually like coming back online and seeing attempts to access my base, or find that people fell for my traps or noticed them in advance. If you are out in the world looking for bases to raid, you don't always find a base with an owner that's online. Not only that but you don't know who the base belongs to so you'll never know when you are able to attack it or not. Also consider the following scenario: player A and player B form a group, player A throws down land claims and quits the game, player B continues building under infinite protection as player A is offline.

[skullpoker]

Any changes to game mechanics for PvP should be specific additions to the pull down menu's when creating games. Things like indestructible LCB protection should be a given with the ability to switch it off for PvP. Damaging another player should be impossible aside from a switch for PvP. Any changes to weapon balance should be left to the PvP server owner and their XML files.

 

When the focus of the main game is shifting away from killing and looting to running away and cowering, other players should be even more scary than zombies. Basically it should never take more than one shot or attack to kill another player in a PvP setting, so that seal clubbing is avoided and to eliminate skill/equipment advantages. If you know that a day 1 player with a bow can kill you, you aren't as likely to try and grief him just to see him get lucky and pick up all of your equipment.

[eidobunny]

When the focus of the main game is shifting away from killing and looting to running away and cowering, other players should be even more scary than zombies. Basically it should never take more than one shot or attack to kill another player in a PvP setting, so that seal clubbing is avoided and to eliminate skill/equipment advantages. If you know that a day 1 player with a bow can kill you, you aren't as likely to try and grief him just to see him get lucky and pick up all of your equipment.

 

This is the worst possible gameplay suggestion I've ever read. You want to make it so even a bow can one-shot a player? That's so absurd it's almost not worth responding to. The worst part about PvP right now is dying without a chance to react. The dynamic of getting ambushed and having the opportunity to react and potentially turn the table (or potentially die) is the most interesting PvP dynamic in any competitive game. If a level 1 that just logged in can make a bow and one-shot a level 200 dude in full purple and loot possibly several IRL days worth of stuff off his body, that's just about the most infuriating and awful design decision I can possibly think of. It falls apart really quickly too because higher level players can just use rapid-fire SMGs and AK-47s so they have the power to essentially just spray and pray insta-gib anyone else and there is no skill involved or sense of progression at all. Just an absurd idea altogether.

 

Let's talk about alternative solutions. One, a bow actually does a surprising amount of damage to another player. A couple well-placed shots can kill a high-level player in purple armor. Certain weapons do too much damage, like the AK-47. So rather than bring everything up to "one-hit-kill" why not bring everything down to a smaller percentage? Let's say an AK-47 bullet does 20% damage, and a bow shot also does 20% damage (but obviously fires a lot more slowly). Maybe a pistol does 10% damage. A shotgun 20% or so. Let's also say a heavily armored target takes about 75% of the total incoming damage instead of the currently absurd ~25%. What you want to do is close the gap between low and high levels without making higher level players feel like they've worked so hard for absolutely no reason. Low levels take 100% incoming damage (due to poor armor) and do the same amount of outgoing damage (as a flat rate on a per-hit basis, not talking about DPS) as a higher player but are more limited in terms of firing speed and ammunition. Higher level players take less damage - around 75% or so (they can survive a few more hits) - and they also have faster and stronger weapons, but not THAT much stronger. Overall damage output should be comparable between low and high levels. The damage of a bow and AK-47 shot for example is comparable, but the DPS of an AK-47 is extraordinarily higher. Bringing that DPS down a bit is important for good PvP. Reduce damage, reduce effectiveness of better guns and better armor, but do not eliminate the sense of progression and strength. This will bring new players and veteran players to a more even playing field without disrespecting the work the veterans put into their character.

[bloom_meister]

I disagree.

 

I for example like (online) 120min days and a lot of zombies, infinite offline health and less loot.

But every option that is changed moves the server into the "modded" section which is ignored by most PvP players (nearly all 50+ PvP servers are in the "unmodded section")

 

So no. My wish has not been granted. My wish is an option already. But as it becomes "modded" and therefor no serverowner actually selects it, its effectivly null and void.

 

The problem I see is you like offlineraids. Which is fine. But why should your playstyle be "favoured" and listed as "unmodded" and mine not?

 

Hi Viktor,

 

From my many hours playing I can confidently state that whether a server is modded or not has never been mentioned to me in whether a server is something people will play on or not, just my 2cp and I know every one of the owners/admins of the large english speaking servers, either way its a moot point.

 

I absolutely have not asked for my, or anyone elses preferred options to be favoured as you put it, i asked for the opposite of that, I want all people to be catered to by being able to select your own options or join one of the many servers that caters to options you like. I frankly dont give 2 cents for what the default option is as long as the options are there for people to play how they wish

 

I dont think my preferences should have more weight than anyone else, neither should you my friend.

[bloom_meister]

For what it's worth I don't think PvP needs infinite offline claim protection. Higher yeah but not infinite. -snip- I actually like coming back online and seeing attempts to access my base, or find that people fell for my traps or noticed them in advance. If you are out in the world looking for bases to raid, you don't always find a base with an owner that's online. Not only that but you don't know who the base belongs to so you'll never know when you are able to attack it or not. Also consider the following scenario: player A and player B form a group, player A throws down land claims and quits the game, player B continues building under infinite protection as player A is offline.

 

I love finding out someone wasted hours and hours on a 'fake' loot room or trying to access an area I built simply as a trap, its all part of the fun of your design v their skill and experience and time. I build my bases expecting them to be raided although no-one got my loot since Alpha 9 except for a hacker once.

 

Also as Eido says, base pvp is very different from open world pvp

 

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Any changes to game mechanics for PvP should be specific additions to the pull down menu's when creating games. Things like indestructible LCB protection should be a given with the ability to switch it off for PvP. Damaging another player should be impossible aside from a switch for PvP. Any changes to weapon balance should be left to the PvP server owner and their XML files.

 

When the focus of the main game is shifting away from killing and looting to running away and cowering, other players should be even more scary than zombies. Basically it should never take more than one shot or attack to kill another player in a PvP setting, so that seal clubbing is avoided and to eliminate skill/equipment advantages. If you know that a day 1 player with a bow can kill you, you aren't as likely to try and grief him just to see him get lucky and pick up all of your equipment.

 

Eido gave you the main reasons why this is a TERRIBLE idea, I agree.