Scyris Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I agree with you completely but just wanted to add... Baseball Bat >> Re-enforced Metal Club. My tier 2 (found) Bat with 1 mod does much more damage than my tier 6 Club with 4 mods and is much more effective Wish I could find a better one. Baseball bat counts as a club so it was included in club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillen Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The main issue I have is when the zombie is too close to you. If the zombie is literally running up against your face and you swing the sledgehammer right on his head it will just flat out miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Killing floor 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 do melee weapons right. In 7 days to die it just seems off. Dead Island and Dying Light as well, to stay within the genre. But Fallout and Skyrim do it better as well, and their systems weren't even particularly good. Hell, even Minecraft feels better from what I remember, at least I knew what I was gong to hit when I swung my weapon. I really don't get why 7DtD has to do it both differently and worse than any other melee combat I've ever played. Makes melee totally unfit for the later gamestages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaston Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 For me Melee is nearly the best its ever been . Shamway Factory with a Baseball bat = no probs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyris Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 For me Melee is nearly the best its ever been . Shamway Factory with a Baseball bat = no probs What difficulty though? if your on adventurer or nomad, its not surprizing as both are rather jokes difficulty wise, nomad a little less so, as at least on nomad zombies do their full damage and the player doesn't get a huge damage bonus vs zombies. Mind you sledge/clubs (including baseball bat) are really the onyl viable melee weapons later on, not just because of the weapon itself, but because of sex t-rex being in the same tree, and when you get 5/5 in that, you can power attack 1 hit kill things with a sledgehammer for 0 stam cost, as the kill shot refils the 25 stam or so it cost for the power attack. Assuming you 1 shot with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I did a couple tests on a row of Zeds in DM .. (press alt when spawning 25, makes for a nice row) It's pretty .. undescribable. Fun, while testing, but ... ouch Zeds 1,2,3,4 standing in a row. Swing a sledge between 2 and 3, missing both intentionally. 1 and 4 lose their heads to the glancing blow, 2 and 3 are unaffected.. In the actual game, couple issues - it feels like there's a minimum range, especially when you get a rager in your face, it's not registering any hits. This could also be a short timing issue with hit boxes, as the timing from "getting enraged" to "getting in your face" is pretty standard 0.1 seconds or so, so maybe the animation change messes up hit boxes entirely. Would need to test properly, but not the easiest to set up - a zombie that is getting up doesn't seem to register head hits.. plenty of grass and clay gathered from behind the head. I miss some myself of course, I know I think I miss less than I do - - but I don't miss THAT much on a mechanic that seems identical to A17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshmint Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Ok great. looks like others can reproduce it so im not going crazy cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshmint Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Quick vid joining A17's full swing animation to A18's half swing animation to simulate an interruption/stop on a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrpggamer Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I checked this out trying to find out more of A18, skip forward to 9:41 and ignore the rest I guess. Maybe this is not what is brought up here but it seems to be about the same as A17 and the zombies are getting knocked off their feet. I do not see this issue with the sledgehammer in this video but then again I have not played A18 yet and maybe this guy is playing on the easiest level too, I don't know. This video has made me want to try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I agree with the OP. The weapons feel like they have no "weight" behind them, as if they are made of paper. It's a weird phenomenon that swings that are supposed to connect don't and the ones that miss hit. I remember having my crosshairs on a zombies head, then power attacking and the club hit his arm first and completely missed his head. Even thought my crosshairs were directly on it. This happens a lot. I wonder if your first contact is a glancing blow then any other hit is negated. Like only one hit per entity - per swing. Edit: Gotta say, I'm not a fan of the new animations either. They look unnatural and a lot of them cover up a large portion of the screen when performed. Don't know what could be done about this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam R. Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Agree to most of the criticisms here. Should be looked over again by the pimps. Machete is pretty cool now tho. It's the exact opposite here. Both attacks have a nice swing and impact to them now with okay range and staggering Zs at cost of hit frequency, which gets canceled out fast with 2 or 3 perks. Bleeding damage seems to have more of an impact as well. Guess most people are trying out the new spear/ bats, or disregarding the blade weapons because of being used to them sucking :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshmint Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I agree with the OP. The weapons feel like they have no "weight" behind them, as if they are made of paper. It's a weird phenomenon that swings that are supposed to connect don't and the ones that miss hit. I remember having my crosshairs on a zombies head, then power attacking and the club hit his arm first and completely missed his head. Even thought my crosshairs were directly on it. This happens a lot. I wonder if your first contact is a glancing blow then any other hit is negated. Like only one hit per entity - per swing. Edit: Gotta say, I'm not a fan of the new animations either. They look unnatural and a lot of them cover up a large portion of the screen when performed. Don't know what could be done about this though. Yep i agree. My thoughts are there's 2 systems in place regarding how a hit is registered. The first is the original hit detection from A17, the other is the new glancing blow system. If one engages then the other is canceled out and hence a body shot occurs when aiming for the head so it really is a hit and miss system. If a glancing blow is registered then along the arc there are only a certain number of points that will "engage" before a time out is initiated and it's also missing depth from the hitting position it occurred from. The animations are quite good imo, but they just need follow through and animation cancelling for feedback which will add weight behind the hit. Its all about how your mind perceives movement based on physics. Most likely all this is reasonably difficult to implement though and its a matter of dev time vs other important factors, or its just too difficult and deep to flesh out period. The glancing system was actually suggested by a forum member and was then implemented into A18 so its only the first iteration. It was then realised with this system you could now multi hit zombies with a power attack(during experimental from feedback) so there's a lot of new info and mechanics that were never fleshed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringkeeper Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 i play most of the time melee only. Mostly out of habbit from past alphas where ammunition was spare and rare. Not with the sledge , as i feel it is too slow. I use the clubs. Already in Alpha 17 there where complains that clubs animation looks and feels horrible. It got worse in Alpha 18. Already in 17 zombies had same/more range then clubs, specially if you had a lag/bad connnection. In A18 it feels even worse. I died already 5 times on day 1 to 2 zombies. Never happened ever before. You don't actually know the range from the animation, you hit a zombie behind a zombie even you target the front one. You hit elbows even your marker is on the head and zombie veeery close etc etc etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshmint Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. OMG!!! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyris Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. Oh nice, this is good to hear and might fix some of the problems we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucleus24 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. That's awesome. Can you go into more detail about what the issue was? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronosphere Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 just get good, adapt or die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostlight Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I think there is a sound bug too. I am using a Baseball bat, and find that quite often even when I hit directly, even when the target is staggered or knocked down, the sounds of the impact is either non-existent, or is the sound the bat would make if I had hit some wall or furniture. Pretty sure this is not helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vomgnar Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 We fixed a glancing blows bug and a bug where some hits didn't even register. Nice! I was a little bummed at first when I couldn't hit with the sledge or a club, but once I found the fortitude build I'm having an insane amount of fun "chuck norris"ing stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostlight Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ah the Fortitude build. Heavy machine guns. AmIright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshmint Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I think there is a sound bug too. I am using a Baseball bat, and find that quite often even when I hit directly, even when the target is staggered or knocked down, the sounds of the impact is either non-existent, or is the sound the bat would make if I had hit some wall or furniture. Pretty sure this is not helping. There is 2 distinct sounds now for a solid hit and a glancing blow on all weapons, but considering it was buggy you would try for a direct hit but on some occasions it would commence a glancing blow and hence the sound you hear. It will be interesting to see how its fixed in the next patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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