JonSpider Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 What I wrote in the title. I was playing 7 Days 1.0 Experimental and witnessed Zombie Dogs chasing me up a ladder! The friend I was playing with at the time (who played this game before I ever did) tells me that Zombie Dogs previously weren't able to do this, which makes this occurrence pretty freaky. This happened in our early game, and zombie dogs at that stage can still be pretty lethal. I have not tested if other wild animals can also climb ladders, but if they can, I feel like they also shouldn't have that ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zztong Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 That's been a game "feature" for a while now. Oddly enough, there are YouTube videos of real-life dogs climbing ladders, though they're not as fast at it as the zombie dogs seem to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 5 minutes ago, zztong said: That's been a game "feature" for a while now. Oddly enough, there are YouTube videos of real-life dogs climbing ladders, though they're not as fast at it as the zombie dogs seem to be. They're just built different they want that booty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, Adam the Waster said: they want that booty That might be more accurate that it seems at first glance; they won't path a ladder, but they might be able to climb one if their target is on it? JaWoodle just made a test base, and his z-dogs and z-bears were completely bricked by a tall ladder, simply grouping up underneath him, while regular zeds were climbing the ladder couple blocks away just fine. I didn't see him testing what happens if he walks above the ladder while the zoo was out there... I wouldn't be surprised if the doggos would start "accidentally" climbing at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) Yeah, this is weird. In my nearly 1,000 hours of gameplay, I've never seen animals climb ladders. Though, to be fair, I haven't set up an environment to test that specifically to say one way or the other. Clearly other people have seen it, though. Regarding whether they should be able to is really just down to personal preference. Yes, some dogs are know to climb ladders IRL, but in those instances the ladder is not completely vertical like in-game. They're are a slight angle so it would be easier for the dog to climb. I highly doubt most dogs could climb a ladder that is straight up 90deg to the ground. Edited July 8 by Syphon583 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On Console my last hard night I had a zombie bear climb my ladder and not going to lie I kind of poop my pants everybody's gangster to Winnie the Pooh shows up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 In entityclasses.xml under Hostile_Animal_Template it says... <property name="CanClimbLadders" value="false"/> and I looked under Zombie Dog and never saw it showing that property. So it never said false to it but also didn't specify true. Not sure if it would have to specifically added to each animal for them not to climb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Bears are very good climbers and probably could easily climb a ladder. They could just swap dogs with bears for better realism…. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 54 minutes ago, Roland said: They could just swap dogs with bears for better realism…. my pants say other wise. And my wellness! im starting to see why they got rid of it lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I tested animals climbing ladders in A20 and A21, and now in A22/1.0. In my A20/21 testing there were two groups of animals. These animals could climb ladders easily. Boar, Coyote, Dire Wolf, Snake, Zombie Dog These animals struggled or won't. Bear, Mountain Lion, Wolf, Zombie Bear For 1.0 I did not test all those, skipped boars, coyotes and snakes. The one notable change seemed to be mountain lions can climb easier now. My test wasn't really mimicking a real base though, it was a tower with the outside surfaces covered by ladders so animals had no choice but to interact with ladders. It shows whether they can climb or not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotor Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Similar but different, but I haven't read the whole thread. https://youtu.be/mkN0mw-uK5Y?feature=shared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 11 hours ago, Rotor said: Similar but different Hah, the doggo climbs just like me; couple first steps "this is sketch, gotta go careful" .. "wait, acthually, this is fine" and starts stepping up "normally". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 So yesterday I saw this youtube video by JaWoodle. In his test, zombie bears and zombie dogs could not climb ladders. Now, that's not to discount what others here have said, because clearly, others have witnessed it. I wonder if it depends on how the entity gets off the ladder? In the video, JaWoodle sets up a system where the entity must essentially jump from the ladder to a block behind them. Which zombies will attempt without issue (though due to the nature of the block and it's placement, it is impossible for the zombies to stand on it). I wonder if the AI for zombie animals is different in such a way to make that path completely unviable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedDollie Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Wondering if there was a group of zombies with the dog? Since they can push each other up now, I wonder if they punted the dog upward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdubyah Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I always thought that setting just meant their AI wouldn't path to them, but if you lead them to the ladder they can still walk into it which will be like going up them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Syphon583 said: So yesterday I saw this youtube video by JaWoodle. In his test, zombie bears and zombie dogs could not climb ladders. Now, that's not to discount what others here have said, because clearly, others have witnessed it. I wonder if it depends on how the entity gets off the ladder? In the video, JaWoodle sets up a system where the entity must essentially jump from the ladder to a block behind them. Which zombies will attempt without issue (though due to the nature of the block and it's placement, it is impossible for the zombies to stand on it). I wonder if the AI for zombie animals is different in such a way to make that path completely unviable. What about cop zombies??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 21 hours ago, Adam the Waster said: What about cop zombies??? Is your question relating to the topic of whether they can make the climb in the video? Or rather what to do to protect against cops using the base he built? To the former, cops will have no issue making the climb. You can see as much late in the video. As to whether this is a good base design in general to protect against cops? Well, clearly he gets sprayed several times. However the point of the video wasn't the base itself, but rather test the ladder/jump mechanic JaWoodle discovered in-game. I don't think he'd recommend going with a floating, exposed cage as an actual base. Edited July 10 by Syphon583 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam the Waster Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 20 minutes ago, Syphon583 said: Is your question relating to the topic of whether they can make the climb in the video? Or rather what to do to protect against cops using the base he built? To the former, cops will have no issue making the climb. You can see as much late in the video. As to whether this is a good base design in general to protect against cops? Well, clearly he gets sprayed several times. However the point of the video wasn't the base itself, but rather test the ladder/jump mechanic JaWoodle discovered in-game. I don't think he'd recommend going with a floating, exposed cage as an actual base. I mean the spitting attack. Hell the normally cop is more scary then the feral. They couldn't hit the side of a mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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