I believe, for better or for worse, the only way to play "survival" mode is to ignore traders all together. So, with that in mind, and only having ammo I can find, because I cant make brass except wrenching (so i must conserve), I turned all settings down. Dumb zombies they are. Currently working on finding stand alone mods for no cops, no demos, and probably no radiated either. I might even load a not trader mod so I am not tempted by the dark easy path :). Then add a mod that lets me collect water, which ever it maybe without having to loot to boil. I should be able to collect from mud and filter with cloth and boil. Anyways, enough from me. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.