bushybeard123 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I was all excited for the impact driver but in all honesty its not that great its marginally faster than the ratchet or wrench and it still uses sta which boggles my mind. why would an electronic powered automated device drain sta? the auger and chainsaw dont use sta and its the same concept, i get this doesnt require gas to use but still doesnt make a lot of sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthjake Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I prefer to keep quiet so I don't use chainsaws or augers, but if they truly don't use sta, then this needs to be changed. Even an impact wrench requires that that hold it in position and apply leverage to keep it from flying off the nut/bolt whatever. All motorized items should use stamina, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralathar44 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, bushybeard123 said: I was all excited for the impact driver but in all honesty its not that great its marginally faster than the ratchet or wrench and it still uses sta which boggles my mind. why would an electronic powered automated device drain sta? the auger and chainsaw dont use sta and its the same concept, i get this doesnt require gas to use but still doesnt make a lot of sense I'm willing to be if you used an impact driver for 8 hours straight and you were not used to it would make you sore the next day. That soreness is why it uses stamina. Just like Chainsaws and augurs also take effort to use and so should take some amount of stamina...so if they don't that's actually unrealistic. Hell, even just aiming a gun for an extended period of time gets tiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feycat Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 11 hours ago, bushybeard123 said: I was all excited for the impact driver but in all honesty its not that great its marginally faster than the ratchet or wrench and it still uses sta which boggles my mind. why would an electronic powered automated device drain sta? the auger and chainsaw dont use sta and its the same concept, i get this doesnt require gas to use but still doesnt make a lot of sense As far as I can tell, it's pretty much the same speed and the same return (tested breaking identical things with my level 5 ratchet vs my level 4 impact driver, with the same mods, so it should be pretty much equal in quality) but the impact driver DESTROYS my stamina and causes a ton of heat. I'm not speccing into extra stamina to get the exact same stuff, just gonna go back to the ratchet (which is hugely better than the wrench) rather than deal with this for a marginal, if any, improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr.o.m. Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Ralathar44 said: I'm willing to be if you used an impact driver for 8 hours straight and you were not used to it would make you sore the next day. That soreness is why it uses stamina. Just like Chainsaws and augurs also take effort to use and so should take some amount of stamina...so if they don't that's actually unrealistic. Hell, even just aiming a gun for an extended period of time gets tiring. Gamewise would it be worsen the fact that strength is overpowerd. Now you can suffer all along until you finally can use auger and chainsaws to get resources without spending points into strength. It would also need a considerable buff in the ammount of resources you got out of auger and chainsaw since you use up gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralathar44 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Gr.o.m. said: Gamewise would it be worsen the fact that strength is overpowerd. Now you can suffer all along until you finally can use auger and chainsaws to get resources without spending points into strength. It would also need a considerable buff in the ammount of resources you got out of auger and chainsaw since you use up gas. I've done many specialist runs that fully invest into a single attribute. You do not need strength at all. POIs have chairs, stone/cobblestone/cement pallets, and tons of stuff you can scrap/smelt to metal or sell to traders. You get clay from buried treasure quests. I fully reinforce concreted my converted POI base out by day 30. Between the POI resources and the trader you an absolutely get the resources you need without being strength and it's not a problem at all. I've never had to dedicated mine for anything. I only recently upgraded to iron tools so I did 90% of that with stone tools. I feel like you're still stuck in a mentality born in old alphas. But mining is no longer the only way to effectively get resources and hasn't been for multiple updates now. Only serious mining you really have to do as a non-strength build is one overnight trip for shale. That's about it. Get the POI resources and use the trader effectively and you'll be fine :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whorhay Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Are you perhaps power attacking or something with the impact driver and not with the ratchet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 One word answer - Gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr.o.m. Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Ralathar44 said: I've done many specialist runs that fully invest into a single attribute. You do not need strength at all. POIs have chairs, stone/cobblestone/cement pallets, and tons of stuff you can scrap/smelt to metal or sell to traders. You get clay from buried treasure quests. I fully reinforce concreted my converted POI base out by day 30. Between the POI resources and the trader you an absolutely get the resources you need without being strength and it's not a problem at all. I've never had to dedicated mine for anything. I only recently upgraded to iron tools so I did 90% of that with stone tools. I feel like you're still stuck in a mentality born in old alphas. But mining is no longer the only way to effectively get resources and hasn't been for multiple updates now. Only serious mining you really have to do as a non-strength build is one overnight trip for shale. That's about it. Get the POI resources and use the trader effectively and you'll be fine :). If you don't scrap cement or cobblestone, you can not get stone from the trader. You can get some stone from POIs, but thats far from enough. You should also know that I try a perception build without any points into STR and I can tell you, that even with coffee you get out of stamina within 5-6 hits with iron tools. You are right you can harvest basic resources with stone tools, but it is atrociuosly slow. I also wonder if you would find an auger an alternative, if it would not use up a lot of gas, but also drain your stamina and yield the same amount of resources than steel tools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralathar44 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gr.o.m. said: If you don't scrap cement or cobblestone, you can not get stone from the trader. You can get some stone from POIs, but thats far from enough. You should also know that I try a perception build without any points into STR and I can tell you, that even with coffee you get out of stamina within 5-6 hits with iron tools. You are right you can harvest basic resources with stone tools, but it is atrociuosly slow. I also wonder if you would find an auger an alternative, if it would not use up a lot of gas, but also drain your stamina and yield the same amount of resources than steel tools? You can buy cobblestone and cement from trader for cheap and you'll continue to get stone, cobblestone, and cement from POIs. And yes, like you said scrapping is an option to get more stone since you'll end up with way more cobblestone and cement than you need. I'm someone who builds bases before iron tools and stone tools can get the job done just fine. TBH not having a claw hammer is a way bigger deal for me than not having iron tools. Once I have a claw hammer i'm set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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