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Awesome! Thank you for the reply and the details about Tiles, Kinyajuu.

Sure. While I hope for answers, I completely understand if there are none.

Thanks for sharing the video regarding City Tile Tech. This looks really cool. Lots of questions come to mind, fueled by some undeniable excitement for making POIs, Tiles, etc in the future: I assume Custom Tiles will be possible. What are the possible dimensions (width, height, depth)? Is it required that a Custom Tile provide for road connectivity on each side of a Tile and that the connections should be in the middle of those sides? Other than the road connectivity at the edge of Tiles, designers should be free to make the roads go anywhere on the Tile, correct? What do we call a place on a Tile where a POI can land? (A Parcel, perhaps? A Lot? A Plot?) When the World Generator is selecting a POI to put on a Parcel, does it select from POIs that have the exact same dimensions as the Tile's Parcel, is there some wiggle room, or can any POI that isn't larger than the Parcel be chosen? (I assume it is undesirable for a tiny bus stop to be selected to fill a Parcel where a large factory was envisioned.) Are there standard Parcel sizes for TFP-created Tiles? If so, could we know those dimensions? How close can Parcels be to each other on a Tile? Can they touch each other? I assume Tiles have a "Ground Level." Must Parcels on a Tile share the same Ground Level, or can a Parcel be elevated, or lower, then the Tile's Ground Level? (None of the examples seemed to have a POI at a different level.) I assume Parcel definitions are two-dimensional, allowing for POIs to be any height, yes? (That is, we cannot define a Parcel to be above another Parcel.) When designing a POI to be viable for those Tiles, it looks like we should not be providing our own sidewalks and curb-cuts (driveway connections), or is there more to the story there? For instance, if a Tile were to run a storm sewer system under the street, how would we know where to connect to it if we wanted a POI to be storm sewer accessible? Is Zoning associated with a Tile? That is, do we declare a Tile to be of a specific Zone type, like "Industrial"? Or, is zoning associated with each Parcel? Will settlements other than Cities use Tiles, such as the Western Town, Towns, perhaps a Farm Tile (ala Nitrogen's farm feature)? Will there be Tile-level Quest stuff? For instance, maybe a "Patrol" quest where you have to spend 8 (game) hours keeping Z's under some total number on the Tile, perhaps combined with some random events like a mini-horde? Find a hidden stash on the Tile? Or, maybe a Tier 6 "Clear all POIs on this Tile" quest?

Which version of KingGen and what errors or issues did you see? You are copying/pasting the contents of the file I give you into whatever larger file you're making, right? The file I give you won't stand alone because it doesn't include vanilla POIs, Traders, etc.

An updated version of this modlet is now available: A19.5-ZZ002 POIs Included: zztong_Apartment_Bldg_01 zztong_Apartment_Bldg_01_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Apartment_Bldg_02 zztong_Apartment_Bldg_02_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Bar_Pool_Hall_01 zztong_Brownstones_01 zztong_Cabin_Fort_01 (Updated in ZZ002) zztong_Drive_In_Movie_01 zztong_Drive_Thru_01 zztong_EMS_01 zztong_Farmers_Market_01 (Updated in ZZ002) zztong_House_01 zztong_House_02 zztong_House_03 (New in ZZ002) zztong_KZMB_Radio_01 zztong_KZMB_Radio_01_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Law_Offices_01 zztong_Lumber_Yard_01 zztong_Masonry_01 zztong_Motocross_01 zztong_Office_Bldg_01 zztong_Office_Bldg_01_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Office_Bldg_02 zztong_Office_Bldg_03 zztong_Office_Bldg_03_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Pharmacy_01 zztong_Pharmacy_01_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Propane_01 zztong_Remnant_House_01 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Restaurant_01 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Shelter_01 zztong_Shelter_01_destroyed (New in ZZ002) zztong_Solar_Farm_01 zztong_Stone_Quarry_01 zztong_Storm_Cellar_01 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Strip_Mall_01 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Strip_Mall_02 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Survivor_Site_Urban_01 zztong_Trailer_Park_01 zztong_Wind_Turbine_01 Decorations Inlcuded: zztong_Hunters_Trap_01 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Hunters_Trap_02 (New in ZZ002) zztong_Mass_Grave_01 (Updated in ZZ002) zztong_Mass_Grave_02 (Updated in ZZ002)

There is a known issue with zztong_Cabin_Fort_01. (Thanks to baronlandau on NexusMods for reporting it. There is a layer of incorrectly filled land below the POI that makes the entire POI collapse into an empty lot. This will be fixed by the ZZ002 update, coming soon. Sorry for any inconveniences.

I'd be okay for it just to function, but if you want to give it a purpose, perhaps let it just cook food a bit more quickly. Or really, just cooking based on electricity instead or fuel is pretty good by itself.

I don't mind the idea of a climbing zombie, but I worry using the normal zombies will make that attribute too common. Would it mean that a player in their lower levels would deal exclusively with climbing zombies, or would this attribute emerge after a certain game stage? Or, would this attribute be applied to only a certain percentage of normal zombies? Thankfully, military Z's aren't parachuting from planes or rappelling from helicopters.

I do like the idea of an Eclipse making for an unpredictable horde, though they seem to happen in real life something like every 2.5 years at any given location. Maybe if they happened in game approximately every (7*7*7) 343 days, or even just randomly with a low chance. Perhaps unusually think storm clouds (perhaps as a result of the nuclear detonations) that black out out the sun could happen approximately every (7*7) 49 days, or even just randomly with a modest chance. Perhaps just normal thunderstorms make for some semi-night activity among some Zombies?

Oh, the little yellow dot when there's only one (or a few) Z's left?

For my education, what is the effect of both settings?

You're certainly correct that there are some small campuses with a few buildings. The university for which I work has branch campuses that are as small as 1, 2, and 4 buildings. I didn't mean to suggest what you propose isn't realistic, just that I didn't see it as a way to implement what I had envisioned. Quite frankly, what I had envisioned really doesn't fit the game's "scale" and the campus I work at is bigger than most 7D2D cities. Your goal/vision is a better fit.

I do like the observatory. It looks great. I've thought some about how best to make a University as a project, and concluded that my preference would be to make each building and things like pedestrian greens their own POIs and then hope that some RWG tool would allow a group of POIs to be defined. I'm thinking of like Nitrogen where a "farm" designation on a POI gets it selected for "farm" placement, typically four farm POIs together. When I tried to conceive of one as a single POI, I kept ending up with something more like a small community college. Of course, my perspective could be off. I work at a University that has over 100 buildings on the main campus.

THIS MODLET HAS BEEN UPDATED. The current Version is A21.2-ZZ021 (As of 21 APR 2024) See release notes for later versions found within this discussion. I've made a collection of original prefabs (POIs and Decorations) available as a modlet. It does not contain any custom blocks, resources, objects, etc. It depends only on the vanilla game and introduces no other requirements or dependencies. My goal is to provide semi-plain "meat and potatoes" POIs of an acceptable quality and in enough quantity to fill gaps in world generation and make a meaningful dent in player demands for variety. I hope you'll find these to be good enough to help round out the nooks and crannies of your generated worlds. The modlet is configured to plug into the Vanilla game. ZZTong-Prefabs Download at NexusMods Version ZZ020 only included a bug fix for biomes.xml. Included in Version ZZ021: POIs Included: zztong_adot_01 zztong_apartment_01 zztong_apartment_02 zztong_apartment_03 zztong_balloon_safari_01 zztong_bar_pool_01 zztong_biowaste_dump_01 zztong_brownstones_01 zztong_buried_treasure_02 zztong_cabin_fort_01 zztong_car_show_01 zztong_car_wash_01 zztong_cave_01 zztong_cement_plant_01 zztong_containers_01 zztong_crater_01 zztong_delos_oldwest_01 zztong_dog_park_01 zztong_drive_in_movie_01 zztong_drive_thru_01 zztong_electrical_substation_01 zztong_ems_01 zztong_farm_01 zztong_farm_02 zztong_farm_03 zztong_farm_04 zztong_farm_05 zztong_farm_06 zztong_farm_07 zztong_farm_08 zztong_farmers_market_01 zztong_field_aloe_01 zztong_field_animals_01 zztong_field_blueberry_01 zztong_field_chickens_01 zztong_field_coffee_01 zztong_field_corn_01 zztong_field_cotton_01 zztong_field_fish_01 zztong_field_hop_01 zztong_field_mushroom_01 zztong_field_potato_01 zztong_field_pumpkin_01 zztong_field_yucca_01 zztong_fieldday_01 zztong_garage_01 zztong_gateway_filler_01 zztong_gateway_filler_02 zztong_gateway_filler_03 zztong_gyroport_01 zztong_house_01 zztong_house_02 zztong_house_03 zztong_house_04 zztong_house_05 zztong_house_06 zztong_house_07 zztong_house_08 zztong_house_09 zztong_house_10 zztong_house_11 zztong_house_12 zztong_house_13 zztong_house_14 zztong_house_15 zztong_house_16 zztong_house_17 zztong_house_18 zztong_house_19 zztong_house_20 zztong_house_21 zztong_house_22 zztong_intersection_01 zztong_intersection_02 zztong_intersection_03 zztong_intersection_04 zztong_kzmb_radio_01 zztong_kztv_01 zztong_law_offices_01 zztong_lot_vacant_01 zztong_lot_vacant_02 zztong_lot_vacant_03 zztong_lot_vacant_04 zztong_lot_vacant_05 zztong_lot_vacant_06 zztong_lumber_yard_01 zztong_masonry_01 zztong_mass_grave_01 zztong_mass_grave_02 zztong_motocross_01 zztong_ntt_hq_01 zztong_ntt_hub_01 zztong_office_building_01 zztong_office_building_02 zztong_office_building_03 (revised) zztong_oil_pump_jack_01 zztong_pharmacy_01 zztong_political_party_hq_01 zztong_presidio_museum_01 zztong_propane_01 zztong_pump_substation_01 zztong_ranch_01 zztong_ranger_hq_01 zztong_rebirth_01 zztong_red_rocket_01 zztong_remnant_house_01 zztong_remnant_house_02 zztong_restaurant_01 zztong_restaurant_02 zztong_restaurant_03 zztong_roadside_rest_01 zztong_scout_lodge_01 zztong_shelter_01 zztong_sheriff_01 zztong_skyscraper_01 zztong_slabhouse_01 zztong_solar_farm_01 zztong_solar_farm_02 zztong_stone_quarry_01 zztong_storage_01 zztong_storage_02 zztong_store_s_01 zztong_store_s_02 zztong_store_s_03 zztong_store_s_04 zztong_store_s_05 zztong_store_xs_01 zztong_store_xs_02 zztong_store_xs_03 zztong_store_xs_04 zztong_store_xs_05 zztong_store_xs_06 zztong_store_xs_07 zztong_store_xs_08 zztong_store_xs_09 zztong_store_xs_10 zztong_store_xs_11 zztong_store_xs_12 zztong_store_xs_13 zztong_store_xs_14 zztong_store_xs_15 zztong_store_xs_16 zztong_stormwater_detention_pond_01 zztong_strip_mall_01 zztong_strip_mall_02 zztong_survivor_base_ruin_01 zztong_survivor_site_urban_01 zztong_tfp_apartment_adobe_01 zztong_tfp_army_barracks_01 zztong_tfp_cemetery_01 zztong_tfp_docks_01 zztong_tfp_docks_05 zztong_tfp_house_new_04 zztong_tfp_prison_01 zztong_tfp_ranger_station_01 zztong_tfp_school_k6_01 zztong_tfp_settlement_01 zztong_tfp_skyscraper_02 zztong_trailer_01 zztong_trailer_02 zztong_trailer_park_01 zztong_trailer_park_02 zztong_trailer_park_03 zztong_trailer_park_04 zztong_truck_park_01 zztong_truck_stop_01 zztong_vault_k9_01 zztong_warehouse_01 zztong_warehouse_02 zztong_warehouse_03 zztong_warehouse_04 zztong_warehouse_05 zztong_watering_hole_01 zztong_watering_hole_02 zztong_wind_turbine_01 zztong_wind_turbine_02 Tiles Included: rwg_tile_commercial_intersection_zztong_01 rwg_tile_countryresidential_cap_zztong_01 rwg_tile_countryresidential_corner_zztong_01 rwg_tile_countryresidential_corner_zztong_02 rwg_tile_countryresidential_straight_zztong_01 rwg_tile_countryresidential_t_zztong_01 rwg_tile_downtown_intersection_zztong_01 rwg_tile_gateway_intersection_zzttong_01 rwg_tile_gateway_intersection_zzttong_02 rwg_tile_gateway_intersection_zzttong_03 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_01 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_02 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_03 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_04 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_05 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_06 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_07 rwg_tile_gateway_straight_zztong_08 rwg_tile_gateway_t_zztong_01 rwg_tile_gateway_t_zztong_02 rwg_tile_residential_cap_zztong_01 rwg_tile_residential_corner_zztong_01 rwg_tile_residential_intersection_zztong_01 rwg_tile_residential_straight_zztong_01 rwg_tile_residential_straight_zztong_02 rwg_tile_residential_t_zztong_01 rwg_tile_residential_t_zztong_02 rwg_tile_rural_cap_zztong_01 rwg_tile_rural_corner_zztong_01 rwg_tile_rural_corner_zztong_02 rwg_tile_rural_intersection_zztong_01 rwg_tile_rural_straight_zztong_01 rwg_tile_rural_t_zztong_01 Decorations Included: zztong_buried_treasure_01 zztong_cactus_01 zztong_cactus_02 zztong_cactus_03 zztong_cactus_04 zztong_cactus_05 zztong_grave_01 zztong_grave_02 zztong_hunters_trap_01 zztong_hunters_trap_02 zztong_mystery_01 zztong_mystery_02 zztong_mystery_03 zztong_oil_pump_01 zztong_rubble_01 zztong_rubble_02 zztong_rubble_03 zztong_rubble_04 zztong_rubble_05 zztong_rubble_06 zztong_rubble_07 zztong_rubble_08 zztong_rubble_09 zztong_rubble_10 zztong_rubble_11 zztong_rubble_12 zztong_rubble_13 zztong_rubble_14 zztong_rubble_15 zztong_rubble_16 zztong_rubble_17 zztong_rubble_18 zztong_rubble_19 zztong_rubble_20 zztong_rubble_21 zztong_rubble_22 zztong_rubble_23 zztong_rubble_24 zztong_rubble_25 zztong_rubble_26 zztong_rubble_27 zztong_rubble_28 zztong_rubble_29 zztong_rubble_30 zztong_rubble_31 zztong_ruined_horde_base_01 zztong_ruined_horde_base_02 zztong_tent_01 zztong_tent_02 zztong_tent_03 zztong_tent_04 zztong_tent_05 zztong_tete1805_deco_01 Pictures available on Nexus Mods. (See link, above.)

Oh, I clearly didn't understand the way things work. I was thinking they all used the same size grid. I'm also not sure what happens if you get a POI that is larger than the grid. Does it then ignore the POI? Or perhaps puts the POI on the outside edge of the settlement? Or does it make an exception to the grid size? Or...? I think I forgot to ask about resources underground, like Coal, Iron, etc. I dug around some and didn't find any. Was I blind or that an up-coming thing? Sorry if I've somehow overlooked a webpage or post with a roadmap or project plan. I'd happily look there to understand where you're going.

I have no idea, really. I need to play with it more to get an idea of the difference between the results at different sizes and it probably is also a factor of how the generator tries to place large POIs into smaller grids. I was just thinking a common difference between a city and a bedroom community is the size of the city blocks and I was asking the question to kind of probe your thinking, understand your vision, and get an idea of where things are going. Oh, that's interesting. I certainly didn't anticipate there being no rural roads by design.

KingGen works pretty well and certainly is fast. I like it. Is this where you'd like thoughts and feedback? On one of my test worlds, I spawned inside a POI. Luckily, there were no Z's in the room, but the door was locked. I'm assuming that was unintentional, but it's kind of an interesting start. I wonder if anyone has thought about POIs specifically as starting locations. I can choose "Single City" or not. I find myself wanting to pick the number of cities, number of towns, and number of villages, or in some way influence the numbers of settlements. I you pick "Single City" could you further have the option of locating that city in the middle of the map? Will there be "western" towns? I can choose "Grid Size" for cities, towns, and villages. Could it be different for each? I need to play with this more and see how it changes the flavor of those settlements. I noticed rural POIs aren't connected by dirt roads. I'm guessing that's upcoming feature? I kind of like that some rural POIs aren't connected by roads. Maybe if/when dirt roads appear there could be a small chance no road would be generated to it.

I'm seeing the same issues -- disappearing inventories that reappear later and duplicated vehicles -- on 19.4 (b3) via the experimental branch. I'm playing on the Not-A-Gamer Gaming long term server. Sometimes I can just wander a ways away and come back and get a different inventory, such as the current one or one that was current a day ago. Sometimes I come back to an empty inventory, or maybe a super-quick glimpse of items in the inventory and then it looks empty. I had one misadventure when I died and when I arrived at my bedroll (at my base) the vehicle I had driven there was back at base with me. So I drove it back to collect my backpack and the vehicle I had parked there was gone. So, I figured there was some bug that transported my vehicle back with me. Alas, a few real life days later and I noticed a copy of the vehicle where I died was sitting there. Another observation. Start with a vehicle showing its inventory. Remove the inventory. Now take the empty vehicle into your inventory. I get both a vehicle in my inventory and the vehicle itself still sitting where it was parked and it is holding a copy of the starting inventory. Everything duplicated. The most annoying, frustrating thing is when you load up a vehicle's inventory to go work on a project and then that inventory disappears for days.