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Then you probably either use up too much stamina with your playstyle or you don't create good food. If all you eat is grilled meat but work in the mines and run around in heavy armor you just didn't adapt to your playstyle. I usually eat something once or twice a day (I think? I don't really notice it) Nonetheless good idea to mod if you just don't like it. It does sound very linear. And I think it would be good if the game had a value "price-multiplier" in the XMLs. The trader would actually carry stuff that is ahead of your progression, but multiply the price of those items with "price-multiplier" * ("level above"+1). Price-multiplier could be something like 0.5. I.e. the trader would have a premium on the "better" stuff. Result: When you are usually finding quality 2 AKs tops, you could buy a AK of quality 3 at price * 1.5, quality 4 at price * 2, quality 5 at price * 2.5 (compared to what they cost now).

What Star69 said. And: Don't confuse server FPS with client FPS. If you see 20 FPS on the server that is totally fine, you don't need more. Only if it goes below 20 you should worry. I can't tell you if you are doing anything wrong when stopping or saving the server when you don't tell me how you stop or save the server.

We would need the complete logfiles of server and client. That small excerpt doesn't tell me anything. The immediate solution is probably deleting the player files. As you had the problem before you probably know that already. Since it happens often and to different players it seems the network or server performance could be the problem. It might also be possible that one particularily weak client makes other players get out of sync(?). If it is network you should check if any or all players connect through steamnetworking instead of litenetlib (a complete logfile will tell you). That decreases network performance. Server performance can be checked easily, search for lines with "FPS:" in the server log, the FPS on the server should be at or above 20.

That would only work halfways as other methods would also be limited (to a lower degree) by the stack size. And forcing players to make decisions because it takes less clicks (instead of in-game reasons) is a last-ressort solution, taken if no other solution is possible. A rot system for food is proposed regularily in the forum, garnering positive vibes from one part of the community. And shot down immediately by another part of the community. This is always a very controversial topic. Survival game players tend to appreciate the idea, all others find it horrible. I'd say if you ever want to design a mod with an alternative system, think carefully if you want to include a rot system for water 😉 There surely will be a mod reversing the change immediately after A21 comes out, there always is as people hang onto old stuff often just because they are used to it. Lets hope there will also be mods implementing ideas like yours.

Please post this stuff in the mod authors thread itself, whatever mod you are talking about. If not, the section "Discussion and Requests" is for general modding discussion. Where I moved this thread to

Good points. Some comments: Lowering stack limit is not going to limit water availability for most players, it just makes handling of water more of a grind and boring. Lets say you have 100 empty jars in your base and need water. If you could transport them in one stack you would fill them up at a pond, easy. If they were only stackable to 5 you still would take all of them with you and fill them at the pond, but it would take you an absurd amount of clicks to fill them. But you would do it because you know that you eventually need that water (for food and glue and ...) and need to to that work anyway You are right that water jars in toilets doesn't make much sense. But 7D2D already was already halfways where one item of "jar of water" was just a quant of water with the container abstracted away. Specifically you never did get back a water jar if you used the water, just like you never saw an empty gas can or empty acid bottle even though the icon might mislead you into thinking there was a container. Now if you look at the jar of water you get out of the toilet just as a quantity of water and abstract the container away then water out of toilets makes sense again. Obviously simulating all the fluid containers in the game would be a step towards realism, and especially for the water containers as water is available in ponds and rivers and logically it should not be difficult to just build arbitrary containers for water if you can build a drone! But there are disadvantages down that road too, lots of micromanagement of containers and always the problem that water is essentially endless if you have at least a few reusable containers that you can refill, at least for glue and other production where the water doesn't need to be free of poisons. And if the containers vanish when used there you have your realism break again. So TFP went with abstracting away containers completely because they were already there with all other containers and halfways with water containers. There is no doubt that there could have been other solutions, with different advantages and disadvantages. At the moment they have already finished implementing the "abstracting away" solution, balanced it to some extent and want to drop it on their guinea pigs ( 😉 ), the players, to see what happens. Undoubtedly many players will immediately object and loudly proclaim the decline of western civilization because of this, then some will appreciate the change and others will always protest at the strangeness of it. If too many object then a solution similar to yours might eventually be implemented to appease the masses. We will see.

I think Joel is not involved much in 7D2D anymore because he was working as designer for the game and the design part is practically finished. They have made a list of necessary features the game still needs and programmers and graphics designers are mostly working on those. If testing and feedback shows there are adjustments to be done they will surely do that, but most of the game is largely fixed by now. I.e. we can assume that perks that don't work will get changed (Sexrex is a good example here), but they will surely not add a dozen or more perks because those don't grow on trees. They would need major development that is just not in the cards for a small team that still needs to add bandits and a story. And as can be seen the team has its hand full with that alone.

"sandbox" is not really a well defined term. If you want to have your own brand of sandbox and get rid of just the survival part of 7D2D but keep everything else you will have to mod the game.

You have to ask the question what problem you want to solve with a change. Now in A20 water is unlimited. There usually are bodies of water everywhere, so once you have a few hundred jars you can fill them up after a 10 seconds drive with the minibike. Nobody would be interested in say dew collectors or wells or rainwater collection when the easiest method by far is just doing this 10 second drive to the next pond and fill up those hundreds of jars. And jars can be crafted in the hundreds easily if you have a forge. So these are nice ideas but they would likely be ignored by everyone if implemented. TFP wanted to solve something different: Not how to make additional ways or just a different way to obtain water, but make water a scarce and therefore valuable item. One you would be happy to find in loot, at least in the early and mid game.

This is not the concept stage. TFP reveals features only when they are sure they are in, and they are sure they are in only after they are practically done implementing them. And that means you are too late and too early at the same time. Too late to stop the implementation and too early to give informed feedback to the developers. Informed feedback means feedback about how well it plays out in game, not an assessment of its realism. I am very very sure the developers already know there are big problems with the realism part. Ah, okay, I had thought you meant meaningful choice when you said "player choice". If the water you get from a lake is unlimited then there is no need for any other choice since this is just without any drawbacks. There are players who want more survival than now. Others want less, like you. The devs seem to be in the first group. Simple as that. Thats the danger of a genre mix. It might appeal to a lot more players than a single-genre game, but all players who just want to play less than the whole mix get somewhat frustrated at having to play those other genre-parts. I have a friend who absolutely hates the jump-and-run parts in many POIs. But it is part of the package and he has to endure them to play the rest of the game. Again, the reason for the change was to make water a scarce resource, like you would expect in a survival game. The dew collectors were not the reason for this change they were part of the solution. It seems you want to play a sandbox really and don't like survival. So I would suggest you use creative menue to get yourself the ability to craft whatever you need. Or get a mod that helps you play your way. Any reason why the devs should listen to someone who thinks they are bad developers anyway? 😁 Seriously, I liked most of A17. If you don't, your tastes are very different than mine and the developers obviously. You can't expect the developers to make a game they don't like and instead do one especially for you. You didn't get my point. I was not talking about reality, I was talking about their function in the game. And for progression in the game the forge is as important as the dew collector.

You didn't get the joke. I was hinting at 7D2D already playing on Zarkon-5.

Next project? What about this project? Did you know that there is a city called Navezgane on Zargon-5 ? ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zargon-5 for more details) 😁

I made a comparison. Avoiding to use the dew collector is as easy or difficult as avoiding the forge. I didn't say anything about HOW difficult it is. In effect if Grue is okay with the forge being in the game he should be okay with the dew collector as well.

Lets address your points then Exactly. Too simple. So it was changed for gameplay reasons. Like all other strangeness the game has you will not notice it once you get used to it. I am not aware that 7D2D got dew collectors because Green Hell has them. At least this supposed reason you invented here is a lot better than the usual "TFP did it to prevent my playstyle" 😉 Which choice exactly is prevented? Like they are able to ignore the forge? You can find and buy water in the world and avoid dew catchers like you can ignore the forge and find or buy forged iron and steel and end products you would build in the forge. Exactly the same, right? The thing is that the magazine system does not force normal players to do anything that they aren't doing already. Are you going through POIs collecting stuff? If yes, you will automatically find magazines. You don't need to change your routine at all if you don't flat out ignore the scavenging part

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Moved to "general support" as I assume you didn't use any mods. First thing you could try is reseting the launcher to default options. There is a button at the lower left saying something like "reset to defaults". Do that and try again to start the game. If it doesn't work come back and report. Also please try to give more information. In what way does it not work? Are there error messages? Do you see any windows pop up or does it fail silently to start the program?

Roland could playtest A21 already and has reported that instead of paper or empty book cases he finds a lot of magazines now. And as the game balance needs a lot of magazines to be found just assume all the paper you found in the crack-a-book will be a magazine in A21 and you are probably near the truth.

You are right, didn't notice it. Moved.

You don't block epic, right? Otherwise that could be another reason it doesn't work If you want you can put a logfile on pastebin and publish a link to it here so people can check if there is any indication of the problem in there. How to find the logfile is described in a pinned thread in the "General Support" section here in the forum

I agree with you, I also don't like that text and had actually complained about it some time ago, without result.

Data loss is random. The game is constantly writing to the savegame to record changes and any interupted write can corrupt any of the files in the savegame. You could try to go into the savegame and locate your player files in the directory "Player". There are always backup files there and if you didn't start the game twice it could still have your old data. If not, use "giveselfxp" in the console and the creative menue to give yourself the lost levels and items back. And if you want to be save from future blackouts make backups of the savegames regularily

Please use "Discussions and Requests" for questions, the "Mods" section should only be used to announce mods and talks to mod authors directly.

I can see a good argument for having LotL0 give back zero instead of less than zero on average. It would allow non-farmers to gamble even though on average it still doesn't make any sense to convert plants to seeds. The argument about the pie is again a realism argument or a misunderstanding. The icon may show a full blueberry pie, but what you produce in reality may be any small amount of pie. One blueberry item in the game should also not be seen as exactly 1 blueberry fruit but for example a handful of blueberries. In other words some arbitrary amount of blueberries that is enough to produce 1/5th of a piece of blueberry pie that gives you 45 food. I don't have any internal info from TFP, so who knows what they will think or say. But I would guess that they would already have used realistic amounts from the start if that had been important to them.

A21 is not a complete overhaul of the perk system. Though the magazines for crafting made balance adjustments necessary. Your reason for wanting to change the seed ratios is only realism it seems, correct? Well, 5 plants to get 1 seed can easily be rationalized by saying that through all the environmental damage it is very hard to make working seeds out of plants, i.e. most seeds wither away without growing. And even your change is far from realism. Some posters who claimed to know better have said that you can get thousands of seeds out of only one potato. So realism is unattainable anyway. Amounts of items in the game are never specified. 1 piece of meat would not be a full steak, one blueberry cake is maybe one slice, maybe two, but surely not a whole cake. 5 potatoes may not be 5 full potatoes but only 5 cutout pieces of a full potato with all the rotten parts already thrown away. Gameplay reasons were always more important for TFP than realism (they have said something like this in discussions). You will have a hard time convincing them to invest precious dev time into changing this ONLY for realism.

Now we are getting somewhere. So what port does the steam server list show? Your first picture did not show any ip and port numbers. (And yes, I have steam). The most likely problem that you have is that you are hosting the game from home and have not opened all the necessary ports to the internet, either on your PC or on your internet router. The game has two network protocols it can use: litenetlib or steamnetworking. The first one is preferable (much less latency for example) but it needs you to clear the way for some ports to be shown to the internet. Those ports are (at default) 26900 TCP and 26900-26903 UPD. You have to tell your windows firewall (windows defender if you didn't buy one) to open those ports AND you have to tell your router to forward these ports to the internet (which depends on the router you have) If not, you can try steamnetworking, but for that you have to change your serverconfig.xml and edit the line <property name="ServerDisabledNetworkProtocols" value="SteamNetworking"/> to look like this: <property name="ServerDisabledNetworkProtocols" value=""/> Here is a thread where someone had a similar problem, and the answer mentions a way to test your setup if you want the low-latency-solution: https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/28612-could-not-retrieve-server-information-self-hosted-dedicated-server-set-up-after-the-recent-patch/