Riamus

With 1.0 coming out and plans to finish everything in under 2 years, I'm wondering if there has been any discussion about improving the POI Editor and World Editor? The World Editor lacks the ability to do anything besides mess with POI placements. It would be a huge improvement to be able to save changes to the world that you make in it. And the POI Editor has numerous bugs and many of the controls are either confusing or hard to use or simply undocumented. In short, it's clunky. It was okay to be left in that state while in early access while the game itself was being worked on, but now that things are coming to fruition, it seems like it's a good time to get these updated to be more useful. I'm sure even TFP POI designers would appreciate better editors and I know the rest of us would as well. So... any chance they'll be updated and improved? Maybe not for 1.0, but at least somewhat soon? Please.

Well, you're definitely out of luck for armor considering they are redoing armor. And I doubt they will consider changing weapons when the game is leaving early access in around a month. I do agree that some weapon progressions could be a bit better. Many of the lowest tier weapons could be more cheaply made weapons and probably make more sense. But in the end, they want around 3 tiers of things and what they have fits into that and works.

Although I agree about this, I would say that even if most people play multiplayer and pay attention to the settings, it would make sense to have default settings set to not show online. After all, if you forget to turn that off and someone joins and messes stuff up on purpose, that isn't good. Yet if you forget to turn it on when you want multiplayer, the worst you have to deal with is exiting the game and turning it on. Given the difference in results if you forget, I think it is better to hide the online status by default. I also think it would be good to be able to change that setting while playing the game and not only when starting it. I don't see any reason you should have to exit the game just to change if it shows online. Some other settings for the save could also be allowed to be changed within the game as well, imo.

A possible way to make this work with RWG is to have it check the edge of the POI to see if water is touching the edge anywhere. If so, it attempts to place the POI where the water on the POI connects to the water on the map. Granted, that info isn't in the XML. Still tricky, but it would be a good way to handle it, I think.

You can also set number of players to one and no one can join, though making the game unlisted is better.

Oh, and another POI type that would be great would be ones with docks and a way for them to spawn in places where they stick out into the water. To be clear, I'm not talking about including water in the POI for the dock like on the wedding POI. I'm talking about a dock POI that can spawn next to a river or a lake or the sea, with the dock sticking into the water. More cave or mine POI that spawn well in random locations. A large bus station that is open concept rather than dungeon style would be nice. Maybe another field hospital or two. You would expect to see them all around with this kind of epidemic. Perhaps even some POI that include some special lighting or fog effects or other ambient effects. No cable POI do this but you can see it in and custom POI and it looks really good. Hide some lights and add some fog and you get some really interesting effects. Of course, you need it to look like it belongs, so that is the trick. And there are of course performance concerns with those things, but if you keep it small, like in only one part of the POI, it should be fine.

Here are some ideas: Art gallery to show off the new pictures and paintings. Museum - not sure that we have stuff that could go into one, though. Zoo - this has been discussed before. Lighthouse - are there any in Arizona? Aquarium - since there aren't any fish or stuff, they can be shown to be broken and water all over the floor/etc. Aviary - fill it with a bunch of vultures!

Not being someone who uses Intel and not entirely up to speed on some of the details, I'll point out what has been mentioned in the past that might help explain what is probably your issue with that CPU. The CPU uses a number of "efficient" cores. These cores aren't great. If any part of the game ends up running on those cores, you're going to run into lower performance issues. A CPU without those cores will often run better even if it's not as good. Note that upgrading your video card for this game is unlikely to provide you much of any benefit over your current card for this particular game.

That's a good simplified explanation of multithreading. I like it. People often think that multithreading is some easy thing to do that works in every situation and automatically speeds things up. That just isn't the case. And even games that have multithreading usually only have it for very specific things and not for the game as a whole. In a game, you often have many different things all working in an interconnected way and trying to pull a piece out and run it separately and then intertwine it back in and still get some kind of performance increase rather than a loss isn't always possible. It works best when you have some part that is entirely, or at least almost entirely, separate from everything else that can be done in its own thread without affecting other things. There are places where this is an option but there are many more places where it isn't a good option. A very simple and basic example that might help people to visualize the issue... Let's say AI is on one thread and building/destruction of blocks are on a different thread. The AI sees that it can walk a zombie forward without anything in the way. Someone builds a wall at the same time that would prevent the zombie from going forward. The AI thread doesn't know about that wall because the two processes are in different threads and so still tells the zombie to go forward. Now, there are ways to integrate threads and provide some interaction/updates to them, but the more things you do to tie the threads together, the less benefit you can get from them being separate threads. Also, to be clear, that example is NOT how they are doing things and isn't what I'd suggest as a good way to do things. It is just a very simple and basic example about why something would be a challenge. So you don't need to tell me that it's not how someone would do multithreading because I know it isn't.

Yeah, if you don't want to scavenge past a few days, you'll need dew collectors. I normally don't switch over to building until I'm a few weeks into the game when I have plenty of resources to build large bases without having to worry about going out to grab more stuff. By then, I've gotten so much water that it's not an issue. But if you do stop scavenging early, look at getting a few dew collectors built (the number depends entirely on how much crafting of stuff that needs water that you are doing - drinking and eating aren't an issue). Once done, you can get the water you need without even having to take time to go to a lake for it. Just regularly grab the water from the collectors at your base and you are all set. Just keep in mind that dew collectors, while running, generate "heat" like other workstations and so can lead to more screamers showing up while you are there. You can avoid that by placing your dew collectors away from your base so they aren't in an active chunk except when you go to collect the water. But that removes the benefit of not having to go anywhere to get the water.

Many games have free DLC. It's something that is technically separate from the vanilla experience that a user can add or not add depending on preference.

I believe there is at least one in the the mods forum. Try a search for jars or maybe water in that forum and you can probably find one. I'd point out that the lack of jars is really only very apparent when you've played the game with them and expect them to be there. Getting water is not difficult even without the jars once you get used to it. At least as long as you're scavenging. You'll find plenty of murky water everywhere. You can also drink directly from water sources and either use the helmet mod to make it safe or use drinks to deal with the dysentery. If you feel the need, you can set up one or more dew collectors to get water, though for 1-2 people in a game who scavenge regularly, we find there's no need. If you're constantly crafting stuff that needs water, you might need the dew collectors to have enough water but for cooking, drinking, and light crafting, you really don't need them for a 1-2 player game.

Lots of topics about this with pages of comments for and against if you take a look. They won't be bringing the jars back. They decided to remove jars and cans so they are like any other empty container (not there anymore).

Moving the mods to another folder will not break anything as long as the folder is detected by the game. The default appdata location should be fine unless you've set your User Date Folder location to somewhere else. I'd recommend creating a new game to verify your mods are loaded before loading an existing save because if something isn't working with your mods and you load into an existing save, you may break the save. The location you have your mods/saves/etc. really doesn't matter. They recommend not using the game folder mainly because Microsoft doesn't want you to use it. I have all of that on a separate drive rather than in appdata because my C drive is not large. You can tell if a mod has a problem by looking at the log file after loading the game. Near the top, you'll see the information where it's loading the mods and it'll say whether it was successful or if there were any problems for each mod. Of course, this doesn't mean the mod works correctly. The mod could have something wrong with it still. But it does mean the mod is loaded. For example, if the mod adds a new craftable item to the game but they forgot to add a recipe to the mod, the mod will load fine but you won't be able to craft the item. But that's not really what you were asking. Note: I will add that certain things expect your mods in a specific place. I think at least one of the overhaul mods needs things to be in a specific location and I think at least one of the mod managers requires it as well. But for pretty much anything else, as long as they are in your User Data Folder location (default being in appdata) or else in the game directory, they'll work.

One of the things that makes no sense to me is that they aren't completing the UI overhaul before console is released. You'd think they'd want the new (assumingly improved) UI ready first so that console also gets it. I know console UI is going to be a bit different simply because of how console controls work but I would still have expected them to finish the UI first. In the end, if they were to publicly state that they had to make the game 1.0 because of Microsoft or Sony for the console release, I'd let it drop and would just accept the change even if I don't like it. Catering to console is always bad in my opinion but at least it's a legitimate reason. But they aren't going to state that even if it's true. And without that, the game just soured for me. I won't say that I won't like the changes and updates or anything like that but the game has fallen into a group for me with other games that I just don't really care about anymore. I might occasionally play them but they aren't going to be at the top of the list of games. It's just my opinion but I just don't agree with ever releasing a game as gold before it is finished. Gold is typically used to describe a game that is at the point where it is finished and all features intended for it have been completed. So I suppose you could say 1.0 isn't gold because it's obviously incomplete but when you change from early access to a 1.0 release, you are essentially indicating that it's a gold release. It may all come down to semantics but it also means the game is released unfinished and for many people, that's just not a good thing. Especially if they are selling DLCs before they finish.

No. By jumping into full release before the game is ready, it just puts a bad taste in my mouth. I don't like games being released before they are ready. And clearly this game still has things that should be finished before gold. Also, making/versioning is important. If they released alpha 1 as gold and said, "Don't worry, we plan to release a lot of updates and new content over then next decade.", do you think that would be just as good as calling them alphas, which they clearly were? It is one thing to release patches and DLC after gold. But the game itself should be finished before gold.

All my interest in A22 just evaporated. Not feeling any interest right now in the next release.

This sounds so much like Microsoft or Sony are forcing them to have a 1.0 release to go along with console release. It is just too unexpected. If they had said this before making this A22 thread, then maybe you could say it was planned. But the timing suggests that this was not planned or intended. It certainly isn't a great move after pushing back bandits so now they won't Even be there for the 1.0 release. Not to mention all the other things that should really be finished before gold - editor improvements, bugs, story, etc. I think this is a bad move. If they are being forced to do this, then so be it. If not, then it is a bad decision by them.

If you want to ask someone on Teragon discord to take a look, we can try to find the problem, though I'm not home now so can't personally look into it until later. Depending on the problem, it could also be something with CP such as installed incorrectly, so their discord may also be able to help. Otherwise, hopefully someone here can figure out the problem for you. Using the older version of Teragon should at least have removed the error loading Teragon and the missing bridge POI, right? If not, then it sounds like an incorrect installation of the Teragon files.

Maybe try connecting directly to your computer instead of using the router to see if the cause is the router or not? It could save you some time troubleshooting something that may not be the cause. You can also see if they can increase the timeout settings on the server and see if that helps.

I know lawn mowers have been suggested before. I would like some way to clear grass more quickly around a base.

The problem is that there is currently only one vanilla tile of each type in each district (with maybe an exception or two). So if you have a few intersections in a row that are the same district, you'd have the same tile in a row. The same for most other types (caps aren't likely to be in a row). Having additional tiles available can greatly improve this. Just adding ZZTong's modlet will have a big impact on the variety you see and if you add some more custom tiles, it'll help even more. By what LazMan said, it sounds like A22 will come with some more tiles (unless he meant just changes to tiles) so that will also help. That being said, the next release of Teragon has the new parameters I mentioned above relating to breaking up districts and providing variations in districts. Although that will definitely be more noticeable in larger towns, it should also help in smaller towns (maybe about 12-20 size) to break things up a bit. By having the districts not quite so homogenous, you'll get more variety in tiles that are in a row. The downside with smaller towns if you use these parameters is that the districts might not seem quite as cohesive as you might like. So there is definitely some give and take with it for what looks best. Adding more custom tiles will still be the best option. It also depends on the tiles. When you see something like two vanilla industrial caps next to one another, they are going to look very similar because they only have (IIRC) one large prefab on them. There are a few different prefabs that can go on them (the various factories), but it's still just one building and then the tile. So they can look very repetitive. On the other hand, if you have two corner tiles of the same district next to one another, they usually don't look too repetitive because there are many prefabs on them and you'll get a lot of different ones so it doesn't look the same. So tiles that have more prefabs on them shouldn't look quite as repetitive as those with only one or two prefabs. But even so, more tiles is best. As far as your example, if it was a Teragon map, you shouldn't have had the same farm multiple times in a row. Are you sure they weren't different farms? Those can look very similar to one another. The default distance in Teragon between duplicate POI if using the default presets is 300m. So as long as a POI doesn't have a different distance set, they should be a minimum of 2 tiles apart (one tile between). There are exceptions, of course. If nothing can go in a spot while following the distance restrictions and other restrictions that you might have set, Teragon will fill the spot with something even though it normally shouldn't go there unless you're using the enforce properties for that POI. But for that to happen to the same prefab 4 times in a row is pretty unlikely. I won't say it can't happen, but it shouldn't. Note: If you're using a preset that is an edited version of an older default preset, you may not have the default distance parameters in your POI Property List. If you do not have those, you may get POI that are on repeating tiles because the normal distance without that is something pretty small. So that might also be the cause. You might want to copy/paste the POI Property List from the current version of the default presets into your preset if you didn't make changes to your POI Property List to make sure you have all the current parameters. That, or start a new preset that is based on the current default presets instead of editing a preset you've been using/editing for a long time.

Or they didn't realize that one part wouldn't work without being downloaded. Not all mod authors are experts.

You should ask for help with mods in the mods forum and you'll get the most help by posting in the topics for those mods. They are the ones who know what the mods do and what the problem could be.

Ah, okay. I was sure I saw something about it in the A21 patch notes but maybe I misunderstood what the note meant.