A19: Steel Tools Question

[Ray_Garraty]

Hey! I'm kinda new to A19, paused playing a while ago, at A16.

As I can see, some game mechanics have been revamped drastically since then.

My most important question is about a Steel Tools Schematic and Crucible, because I need steel tools desperately in order to mine stone for concrete efficiently.

So the Steel Tools Schematic can only be looted or purchased, right? I will only be able to find it in a top level loot (Tier 3, Gamestage > 91), is that correct?

Same goes for the Crucible?

Is it a waste of time searching for them before gamestage 91?

[Urban Blackbear]

You can put points into the perks that will unlock the recipes through the Int trees. Advanced Engineering but you need level 5 to unlock the crucible. For steel tools you need to find or buy the recipe.

Edited December 1, 2021 by Urban Blackbear (see edit history)

[Treb]

They can also be found at traders before that. You can have the crucible before the first horde if you are lucky.

[Ray_Garraty]

57 minutes ago, Urban Blackbear said:

For steel tools you need to find or buy the recipe.

What gamestage do I need to reach in order for Steel Tools recipe start to spawn in loot containers?

[BFT2020]

39 minutes ago, Ray_Garraty said:

What gamestage do I need to reach in order for Steel Tools recipe start to spawn in loot containers?

If I am reading the file correctly, Steel Tools recipes are T2 so you start having a chance around gamestage 49

 

    <lootprobtemplate name="ProbT2">
        <loot level="0,48" prob="0"/>
        <loot level="49,50" prob="0.04"/>
        <loot level="51,52" prob="0.04"/>
        <loot level="53,55" prob="0.04"/>
        <loot level="56,57" prob="0.05"/>
        <loot level="58,60" prob="0.05"/>
        <loot level="61,62" prob="0.06"/>
        <loot level="63,64" prob="0.1"/>
        <loot level="65,67" prob="0.11"/>
        <loot level="68,69" prob="0.12"/>
        <loot level="70,72" prob="0.13"/>
        <loot level="73,74" prob="0.14"/>
        <loot level="75,76" prob="0.18"/>
        <loot level="77,79" prob="0.19"/>
        <loot level="80,81" prob="0.21"/>
        <loot level="82,84" prob="0.22"/>
        <loot level="85,86" prob="0.23"/>
        <loot level="87,88" prob="0.25"/>
        <loot level="89,91" prob="0.3"/>
        <loot level="92,93" prob="0.32"/>
        <loot level="94,96" prob="0.33"/>
        <loot level="97,98" prob="0.35"/>
        <loot level="99,100" prob="0.37"/>
        <loot level="101,103" prob="0.39"/>
        <loot level="104,105" prob="0.44"/>
        <loot level="106,108" prob="0.47"/>
        <loot level="109,110" prob="0.49"/>
        <loot level="111,112" prob="0.51"/>
        <loot level="113,115" prob="0.53"/>
        <loot level="116,117" prob="0.59"/>
        <loot level="118,120" prob="0.62"/>
        <loot level="121,122" prob="0.65"/>
        <loot level="123,124" prob="0.68"/>
        <loot level="125,127" prob="0.7"/>
        <loot level="128,129" prob="0.73"/>
        <loot level="130,132" prob="0.76"/>
        <loot level="133,134" prob="0.78"/>
        <loot level="135,136" prob="0.81"/>
        <loot level="137,139" prob="0.84"/>
        <loot level="140,141" prob="0.86"/>
        <loot level="142,144" prob="0.89"/>
        <loot level="145,146" prob="0.92"/>
        <loot level="147,148" prob="0.95"/>
        <loot level="149,151" prob="0.97"/>
        <loot level="152,153" prob="1"/>
        <loot level="154,156" prob="0.79"/>
        <loot level="157,158" prob="0.82"/>
        <loot level="159,160" prob="0.84"/>
        <loot level="161,163" prob="0.86"/>
        <loot level="164,165" prob="0.88"/>
        <loot level="166,168" prob="0.67"/>
        <loot level="169,170" prob="0.69"/>
        <loot level="171,172" prob="0.71"/>
        <loot level="173,175" prob="0.73"/>
        <loot level="176,177" prob="0.75"/>
        <loot level="178,180" prob="0.76"/>
        <loot level="181,182" prob="0.55"/>
        <loot level="183,184" prob="0.56"/>
        <loot level="185,187" prob="0.58"/>
        <loot level="188,189" prob="0.59"/>
        <loot level="190,192" prob="0.6"/>
        <loot level="193,194" prob="0.57"/>
        <loot level="195,196" prob="0.58"/>
        <loot level="197,199" prob="0.59"/>
        <loot level="200,201" prob="0.6"/>
        <loot level="202,204" prob="0.61"/>
        <loot level="205,206" prob="0.62"/>
        <loot level="207,208" prob="0.62"/>
        <loot level="209,211" prob="0.63"/>
        <loot level="212,213" prob="0.63"/>
        <loot level="214,216" prob="0.64"/>
        <loot level="217,218" prob="0.64"/>
        <loot level="219,220" prob="0.6"/>
        <loot level="221,999999" prob="0.46"/>
    </lootprobtemplate>

 

[Urban Blackbear]

42 minutes ago, Ray_Garraty said:

What gamestage do I need to reach in order for Steel Tools recipe start to spawn in loot containers?

 

No idea. Somewhere around 40 from my experience but everyone's mileage is a bit dfferent.

 

Ok, 49. Thanks @BFT2020

Edited December 1, 2021 by Urban Blackbear (see edit history)

[Orclover]

In every game we played with A19 we (more to the point I) would find 2 or 3 crucibles in loot long before our builder was able to make one, and he was racing for that skill.  Not sure if has been changed for A20 but looting trumps building items in every conceivable way.  At least it has in the past.  Which was sad as it was making our "maker" players really crazy.

[BFT2020]

40 minutes ago, Orclover said:

In every game we played with A19 we (more to the point I) would find 2 or 3 crucibles in loot long before our builder was able to make one, and he was racing for that skill.  Not sure if has been changed for A20 but looting trumps building items in every conceivable way.  At least it has in the past.  Which was sad as it was making our "maker" players really crazy.

That seems right (as in what you are seeing).  Crucibles start having a chance of appearing in loot groups around game stage 49.

[Star69]

In order to find crucibles at the trader, you need Better Barter 3 or above. Depending on rng, sometimes it’s easier to find them in loot than at the trader. If they occur before BB 3, it’s a very low chance.