Finally built my new PC and ready to get into 7 Days again

[bobrpggamer]

Well I finally got my PC built and running after 1 and 1/2 years or so on my backup PC with an Intel i7 860 (1st gen i7) and was cool about 8 years ago if you do a lot of gaming or encoding or whatever the i7 860 will not run well.

 

Case:
Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG PH-ES614PTG_BK Tempered Glass Side Panel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Black

4 Noctua 140mm 3000rpm industrial fans, 2 front 2 back

Seasonic VERTEX GX-1000, 1000W 80+ Gold, ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 Ready, Full-Modular, ATX Form Factor.

 

Main Hardware:

1) ASRock Z790 Riptide WiFi LGA 1700.

2) Intel Core i7-14700K - With a Scythe Fuma 3 CPU Air Cooler with 2 120mm Noctua industrial fans at 3000rpm.

3) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 96GB (2 x48GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400.    
    
4) GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC.

5) HT-OMEGA eClaro Sound card which has a S/PDIF Optical out and sounds like a   Home theater. Also has 7.1 analog out as well.

6) PCI Express x1 Dual 2.5 gigabit Ethernet NIC.

 

Drives:

WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4:        

1TB Dual Boot:
Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Microsoft Windows 11 Home

 

3 Of These Puppies:
Western Digital WD_Blue SN580 M.2 2280 2TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 TLC

2TB Games Drive
2TB VMware Workstation Drive
2TB Temp Drive

 

1 SATA port: Bluray Burner
1 SATA Port: 1TB 2.5" SSD
6 SATA Port: 6 6TB 3.5" SATA 3

Yeah this motherboard has native 8 SATA ports!

 

It took a while to get it, the last time I played 7 Days to Die was 3/24/2023. But this is best PC I believe I have ever put together.

 

Yeah it runs hot! But I got over 900 FPS in Quake Team Arena at 1080 with all effects maxed!!

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited October 5 by bobrpggamer (see edit history)

[Arez]

Make sure you update your bios with the latest intel microcode for the 13th and 14th gen chips.

[bobrpggamer]

I did not know I needed to. First think that pops in my head with bios updates (unless critical), is if it isn't broke don't fix it. I mean the mobo works flawlessly and I am prone to always add something I do not need to and screw everything up, so I am Leary when it comes to bios updates. Last time I updated my bios I fried my motherboard, although the board was already bad off, I made it worse.

Edited October 6 by bobrpggamer (see edit history)

[Arez]

57 minutes ago, bobrpggamer said:

I did not know I needed to. First think that pops in my head with bios updates (unless critical), is if it isn't broke don't fix it. I mean the mobo works flawlessly and I am prone to always add something I do not need to and screw everything up, so I am Leary when it comes to bios updates. Last time I updated my bios I fried my motherboard, although the board was already bad off, I made it worse.

The 13th and 14th gen chips are known to be defective (it was big news causing Intel's stock to plummet) and without the latest Intel microcode your CPU's voltage will go too high and eventually cause irreversible damage resulting in, at least, crashes in games and other applications.

[bobrpggamer]

5 hours ago, Arez said:

The 13th and 14th gen chips are known to be defective (it was big news causing Intel's stock to plummet) and without the latest Intel microcode your CPU's voltage will go too high and eventually cause irreversible damage resulting in, at least, crashes in games and other applications.

I heard of this, but assumed it was fixed. It is true that my temps are insane in the climate I live in. It was 101 degrees yesterday in my living room. I lowered the PL1 and PL2 from 255 (or I guess unlimited If I can imaging that) to 210 and I have set my Vcore to 1.300v and my offset is at 0.125v. So my voltage rarely goes over 1.300v while using Cinebench for a 10 minute multicore run. I have also set my Tjmax to 95 and I rarely get into the 90s during testing even when I am sitting in a living room that is 101 degrees.

 

I watched a boatload of undervolting videos on YouTube before I purchased the Mobo and CPU. So luckily I was prepared for this early on. It was the first thing I did when I got Windows installed.

 

It does kind of suck that Intel has forced people to under-volt and effectively under-clock their CPUs. But I am still an Intel Fanboy so I deal with it.

Edited October 6 by bobrpggamer (see edit history)

[SylenThunder]

On 10/6/2024 at 12:19 PM, bobrpggamer said:

I did not know I needed to. First think that pops in my head with bios updates (unless critical), is if it isn't broke don't fix it.

With the latest Intel CPU's this isn't the case. If fact, not doing so is very likely to kill your CPU if it doesn't already have a problem from the factory. Current data shows that even the 15th-gen chips will continue to have issues.

And that doesn't even count the idiocy of putting CPU-intensive tasks like 7 Days onto the worthless E-Cores.

 

This Youtube video gives an excellent overview & cause analysis for this problem, if it applies to you.

(For anyone running a potentially affected 13th or 14th gen CPU, you'll need to look into applying the microcode update ASAP, or potentially warrantying your CPU if it's too late to update).

 

Intel forum post about July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113

 

Intel forum post about Additional Warranty Updates on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop Processors

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Additional-Warranty-Updates-on-Intel-Core-13th-14th-Gen-Desktop/m-p/1620853#M75727

 

 

 

This is why it is critical to do a LOT of research before building a system.

You might even save a few bucks by returning the hardware and swapping for AMD motherboard and a 7800X3D. Will have less headaches in the long run.
And the only reason to buy Nvidia over AMD is for DLSS. If you want performance per dollar AMD is the better choice. A 6800XT OC will run just as fast as the 4070TI, and costs on average $250 less.

[pApA^LeGBa]

I bought my 13700K before the whole thing got public. I planned on AMD but i got the 13700K  for 80€ less than normal. In hindsight i wish i would have spent that 80€ more for AMD. Well actually more because the AMD mobos cost more, still would have gone AMD if i would have known about the Intel problem. 

 

@SylenThunder For the same price of a 4070TI you can get a 7900XT. At least here. And doesn´t AMD have FSR wich is the AMD version of DLSS? (I am still on 1080p don´t need any upscaling so i haven´t touched that topic at all so far)

Edited October 7 by pApA^LeGBa (see edit history)

[bobrpggamer]

3 hours ago, SylenThunder said:

With the latest Intel CPU's this isn't the case. If fact, not doing so is very likely to kill your CPU if it doesn't already have a problem from the factory. Current data shows that even the 15th-gen chips will continue to have issues.

And that doesn't even count the idiocy of putting CPU-intensive tasks like 7 Days onto the worthless E-Cores.

I guess this IS necessary then: BIOS Update CPU microcode to 0x12B.

 

I guess I will flash this then. Thank you SylenThunder and other guys.

 

Even still I will have to stick with my system, rather than returning the hardware and going with a new system. It is not very much fun for me to build PCs anymore. I just want to put it together and get on with it. Back in the 2000s-2010s I enjoyed building PCs, not any more though.

 

I wish I would have gotten the extra 3 Year Warranty for The CPU, I got one for he Mobo but figured the CPU either works or doesn't work. That I should have done.

Edited October 7 by bobrpggamer (see edit history)

[bobrpggamer]

Well I flashed the latest bios and now my PC takes 5 times as long to get to bios. This happens all the time to me and makes me dread having to update anything especially Microsoft Windows.

[Rotor]

Did you reenable fastboot?

 

It was a thing back in my last build, not sure now a days.

[bobrpggamer]

4 minutes ago, Rotor said:

Did you reenable fastboot?

 

It was a thing back in my last build, not sure now a days.

Did not think of that. Thank you. I had fast boot back on my socket 1151 board and I could not get to the "pick boot device" fast enough so I disabled it. The 1151 board I had also took forever to get to bios.

 

Luckily Asrock's motherboard has a app in windows that allows you boot to UEFI. So I may enable fast boot and at least I can boot to UEFI without having hit delete over and over and not having the time to get into bios due to fast boot, and then I can disable fast boot if I need to use "pick a boot device".

[bobrpggamer]

I guess the E-Cores are considered useless for gaming, but right now I have these VMware Workstation 17 VM PCs running Teragon map maker:

 

3 of these machines:

 

6 Core, 16gb RAM, Each running Windows 10 off of a 60gb chunk of a M.2 Nvme PCI Express 4.0, x 4.

 

They are running in parallel with no noticeable performance lag. Although I would obviously not be running any recent games while this is going on.

 

 

[Maharin]

[Jugginator]

Grats on the build and welcome back Bob! Has it been that long? Sheesh time flies eh

[bobrpggamer]

On 10/10/2024 at 11:42 AM, Jugginator said:

Grats on the build and welcome back Bob! Has it been that long? Sheesh time flies eh

Thank you Jugginator.

On 10/9/2024 at 6:43 PM, Maharin said:

I was 22 when the 386 was out, I wanted one but I could not afford up to $3000 - $4000 for a decent PC compatible. I sold my Amiga 500 in 1991 and I just got into other things as a PC "in any brand" was too expensive for me back then.

 

Also, I built my first PC in 2006 and would not even have even attempted to build a PC back the 90s.

 

I was really really only 19 when it came out. In 1986, the last thing I was interested in was PCs. I did not get a C64 until 1988.

Edited October 12 by bobrpggamer (see edit history)

[Arez]

On 10/7/2024 at 3:46 PM, bobrpggamer said:

I guess this IS necessary then

I've had a 13900k for a long time and I NEVER had 7 Days crash...until a month or so before 1.0's release. I thought it was the mods I had installed. I removed them but it still would occasionally crash. Then I figured it was because I haven't done a fresh install of the game since I initially installed it back at the beginning of A21. 

 

Then some new 3D modeling applications I've been using started to crash, and when I looked it up it didn't seem like a common issue.

 

I really began to worry when GIMP started crashing.

 

Then the news of the microcode came out. I updated my bios and nothing has crashed since. 

 

That's pretty good, considering that my CPU is likely damaged, seeing as it seemingly used to be able to handle the voltage spikes but eventually wore out to the point where it couldn't. 

 

JaysTwoCents tested it and the microcode (which I think is essentially just a voltage limiter) results in a 2% drop in performance, but supposedly it improved single-core performance.