ungkor Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Are there any visual clues that let you place a vault hatch so that it opens upwards instead of down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stallionsden Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, ungkor said: Are there any visual clues that let you place a vault hatch so that it opens upwards instead of down? The handle thing is on top tells you it opens upwards. Unless you rotate the hatch most times it is facing the correct way to open upwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 You're asking about doors and hatches, which is it? Nevertheless, look for the hinges on both, these both will open "up" from the ground, and "away from the player": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Sometimes the hatches just don't behave as you expect. It's easy to get onto the face of a wrong block. FWIW to mitigate that; I start with a cheap wooden hatch and ensure its placed correctly, and then upgrade through iron to steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, 8_Hussars said: Sometimes the hatches just don't behave as you expect. It's easy to get onto the face of a wrong block. FWIW to mitigate that; I start with a cheap wooden hatch and ensure its placed correctly, and then upgrade through iron to steel. Unfortunately, you can't upgrade to vault from wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, Riamus said: Unfortunately, you can't upgrade to vault from wood. Say what? I did state "upgrade through iron to steel." I certainly recall getting the "no steel hatch icon" in bottom right when upgrading an iron hatch. Will have to confirm I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 24 minutes ago, Riamus said: Unfortunately, you can't upgrade to vault from wood. Pretty sure you can, actually. Unless for some odd reason doors don't behave the same as hatches, you can start with a wooden door and upgrade all the way to a steel door. You just have to have the appropriate doors already crafted in your inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 45 minutes ago, Riamus said: Unfortunately, you can't upgrade to vault from wood. While true, you can place the wooden hatch somewhere nearby and just Copy Rotation from that with the steel hatch. Skipping the iron hatch, just having to destroy the wooden one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, 8_Hussars said: Say what? I did state "upgrade through iron to steel." I certainly recall getting the "no steel hatch icon" in bottom right when upgrading an iron hatch. Will have to confirm I guess. Hm... maybe I'm wrong then. But I am pretty sure that I remember wood hatches only upgrading to iron covered wood hatches but not beyond and having to do a separate iron hatch that was different from the upgraded wood hatch with iron covering. And I don't remember being able to upgrade to the vault hatch, though it could just be that I've never bothered because it's just easier to craft the vault hatch than bother with upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 31 minutes ago, Riamus said: having to do a separate iron hatch that was different from the upgraded wood hatch with iron covering. Atm (last I checked), you need the crafted higher tier hatch as materials for the upgrade; maybe this is where the confusion lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, theFlu said: Atm (last I checked), you need the crafted higher tier hatch as materials for the upgrade; maybe this is where the confusion lies? Yes, maybe that's it. What I poorly explained was: place crafted wood hatch in correct orientation, upgrade wood hatch to iron hatch with crafted iron hatch in inventory, and then upgrade iron hatch to steel hatch with crafted steel hatch in inventory. ("upgrade through iron to steel.") CONFIRMED. Yes its a few extra steps (and basic resources) but it beats the hell out of misplacing and then removing a steel hatch, YMMV. Edited March 25 by 8_Hussars (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 hours ago, theFlu said: Atm (last I checked), you need the crafted higher tier hatch as materials for the upgrade; maybe this is where the confusion lies? Ah... I didn't realize it could be basically replaced by crafting the hatch and then "upgrading" it. Odd way to go about doing it, but oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 hours ago, Riamus said: Ah... I didn't realize it could be basically replaced by crafting the hatch and then "upgrading" it. Odd way to go about doing it, but oh well. FWIW, it is the same mechanic as block upgrades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, 8_Hussars said: FWIW, it is the same mechanic as block upgrades But we don't need to craft concrete blocks to upgrade from cobblestone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, theFlu said: But we don't need to craft concrete blocks to upgrade from cobblestone. Sure, it could be looked at as an "odd" and different mechanic. IMHO, crafting cobble or concrete to upgrade blocks is close enough to crafting an iron hatch to upgrade a hatch. The mechanic of "upgrade materials need to be available in inventory" covers it sufficiently for me, YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riamus Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, 8_Hussars said: Sure, it could be looked at as an "odd" and different mechanic. IMHO, crafting cobble or concrete to upgrade blocks is close enough to crafting an iron hatch to upgrade a hatch. The mechanic of "upgrade materials need to be available in inventory" covers it sufficiently for me, YMMV. Yes, but building materials are an obvious need for building or upgrading. Having a fully constructed door or hatch to use to "upgrade" an existing one is not. At that point, you aren't upgrading... You are replacing, which is different from other upgrades. Granted, the idea that you are upgrading from wood to steel on anything without replacing it doesn't exactly make sense but it is there for gameplay reasons. I don't see why they can't just have steel in your inventory to use to upgrade the doors or hatches like you would any other upgrade. That is why I say it is odd. Edited March 26 by Riamus (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_Hussars Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Sigh, you guys win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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