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[Riamus]

35 minutes ago, InfiniteWarrior said:

In which case, clothing is not necessarily gone for good?

Clothing as separate items are gone.  There could obviously be "armor" that looks like clothing, but you won't have a bunch of extra clothing slots anymore.

[InfiniteWarrior]

49 minutes ago, Riamus said:

There could obviously be "armor" that looks like clothing

In which case.... Bummer?

That does appear to be the direction TFP is going in with the "farmer" outfit and the "mining" outfit, etc. So, I wouldn't be surprised.

It would be nice if we were all mind readers and knew precisely what TFP have in mind, but of course, we're not. Actually, I'm not sure mindreading would be such a good thing.

[Roland]

I just haven't put on the mind reader outfit. It's only $1.99...

Edited October 18 by Roland (see edit history)

[SGT]

thats just disappointing Clothing and armor made the game so much better. the new armor is just for looks. what purpose does it serve 

[Riamus]

And what does clothing do that is different from looks?  It isn't any different other than now slots for mods and more options for how you look.  Otherwise, it is the same.  Yes, temperature resistance is temporarily not an issue, but that is only temporary until the weather update. 

 

I purposely hid the armor and clothing before because it looked so bad.  Now, I like the way my character looks.  I would call that an improvement.

Edited October 19 by Riamus (see edit history)

[Roland]

2 hours ago, SGT said:

thats just disappointing Clothing and armor made the game so much better. the new armor is just for looks. what purpose does it serve 

 

Weather, environment, and radiation effects have been turned off for now. Once they get turned back on, the new armor will serve for looks, attack damage protection, and environmental protection. It will have all the functionality of the old clothing and armor for survival gameplay purposes and also deliver on the looks.

[InfiniteWarrior]

22 hours ago, Riamus said:

And what does clothing do that is different from looks?

I think the affinity for clothing has more to do with characterization than looks. A lot of roleplayers are playing the game and roleplay is about much more than simply builds on the technical end of things and/or what you happen to be responsible for doing if playing in a team, e.g. mining or harvesting or what have you. 

7DTD is not a roleplaying game from my perspective and I don't expect its story mode will change that, so I also don't expect anything more than an avatar. It is primarily multiplayer, after all, despite that it can be played solo. 7DTD isn't in the vein of a TTRPG, but I can completely understand some players wishing to "look the part" if they're attempting to roleplay in it.

Edited October 19 by InfiniteWarrior (see edit history)

[Riamus]

7 hours ago, InfiniteWarrior said:

I think the affinity for clothing has more to do with characterization than looks. A lot of roleplayers are playing the game and roleplay is about much more than simply builds on the technical end of things and/or what you happen to be responsible for doing if playing in a team, e.g. mining or harvesting or what have you. 

7DTD is not a roleplaying game from my perspective and I don't expect its story mode will change that, so I also don't expect anything more than an avatar. It is primarily multiplayer, after all, despite that it can be played solo. 7DTD isn't in the vein of a TTRPG, but I can completely understand some players wishing to "look the part" if they're attempting to roleplay in it.

Right, but that's exactly what I was saying... you "look the part" because the clothing/armor or armor alone is about looks.  What I was responding to was that the new armor is all about looks.  Well, so is the old armor/clothing.  That's not a problem, but it negates the statement that the new armor is [worse] (implied) because it is all about looks.  Now, as I mentioned, the new armor does have fewer options for customization because there are currently few armor sets available and you only have 4 pieces instead of many more (I forget how many there were before... 7 or 8 or something).  I think we'll get more armor, some free, some paid.  That will help.  But it won't be the same.  There may also eventually be mods that add their own armor or clothing or even add back in the separate clothing slots.  But I think vanilla will not go back to separate clothing items.  There'd be no reason to update/change the UI if they planned to keep clothing or add it back.  If anything, maybe the wardrobe system will allow you to "wear" some of the old clothing or armor for people who are nostalgic, though I wouldn't get my hopes up for that.

[InfiniteWarrior]

20 hours ago, Riamus said:

the clothing/armor or armor alone is about looks

Split hairs, but the important bit is "part," i.e. writing and playing a character in a story much like a writer and an actor would, which is not all about looks. Try to see the nuance in play. A RPG's lore, story and characterizations are of ultimate importance to roleplayers because that's what they're playing off of. The "costume" is merely a finisher -- the tip of the imaginative iceberg -- and I can completely understand, if no one else can, why some players of 7DTD are lamenting the loss of clothing in the game. There are armor sets, but no "costumes" to wear that reflect the character they've written for themselves.

I understand completely from whence the confusion comes. Proper RPGs are an endangered species and highly likely to go extinct altogether because publishers balk at the idea of studios developing content players, if not roleplayers, may never see in a RPG, despite that roleplayers most certainly would because they'll want to see how actual, meaningful choices and consequences unfold and play out in a RPG game world and exhaust every possible permutation of them. That's precisely what accounted for the replayability of traditional RPGs, e.g. Fallouts 1 & 2 and New Vegas, but publishers think it's too expensive to produce such a game today.

Now, Rick swears 7DTD is a RPG. It is not. It's a sandbox game with "RPG elements," a term I despise, but that's beside the point. Sandbox games are pretty much all that's left for traditional roleplayers to play. Proper RPGs very simply are rarely made anymore and when they are, they're generally superficial to a fault, if not at all RPGs. Some are calling playing around in such sandboxes "true RPG" because it's up to the player's imagination to create everything about it story and characterization-wise, but I'm afraid I'll never fall for that. It was the "Interplay" between developer and player that defined RPGs in the past. Now, we're expected to just sit back and passively "consume" the media presented to us. No imagination on our part either required or desired. And that's a death sentence for truly interactive media.

Can you see where they're coming from now?

 

Edited October 21 by InfiniteWarrior (see edit history)