46 minutes ago, Matt115 said:
About steam page and 7dtd : it's not first descibtion. it was edited - during A21: Improve – Increase your skills in 5 major disciplines with a multitude of perks under each attribute. Gain additional skills by reading over 100 books. 7 Days to Die is the only true survival RPG.
this mention LBL which is not descibtion from 2013 😕
There is "survival horror" - definition :
survival horror refers to a subgenre of survival video games that includes horror game elements.[5][6][7] The player character is vulnerable and under-armed,[8] which puts emphasis on puzzle-solving and evasion, rather than the player taking an offensive strategy.[9] Games commonly challenge the player to manage their inventory[10] and ration scarce resources such as ammunition.[8][9] Another major theme throughout the genre is that of isolation. Typically, these games contain relatively few non-player characters and, as a result, frequently tell much of their story second-hand through the usage of journals, texts, or audio logs.[11]
While many action games feature lone protagonists versus swarms of enemies in a suspenseful environment,[12] survival horror games are distinct from otherwise horror-themed action games.[13][14] They tend to de-emphasize combat in favor of challenges such as hiding or running from enemies and solving puzzles.[12] Still, it is not unusual for survival horror games to draw upon elements from first-person shooters, or even role-playing games.[5] According to IGN, "Survival horror is different from typical game genres in that it is not defined strictly by specific mechanics but subject matter, tone, pacing, and design philosophy."[11]
so : let's use games which was released before/during 7dtd release as examples: Resiedent evil, Clock tower, penumbra, cryostasis, rule of rose, silent hill, dino crysis. what is common thing for that games? Keep themself serious, dark and realistic ( by this in meaning that world of game is reflection of our world... elements - in cryostasis all "frozen ones" use Soviet weaponry suitable for this period of time. rule of rose clothes are suitable to this period, SH is in style of typical USA city - so in cryostasis there is no m16 , rule of rose character doesn't wear medieval clothes or in SH there is not post-soviet style buildings)
is unforgiving suitable to this type of games as well : re is hard game, this same rest of them: which is part of survival horror - always lack of ammo, low number of medkits, force to avoid enemies etc. to create more horrific feeling
So: for me this good enough to consider this in that way - is No more room in hell 1 survival game (mod)? yes. Is zombie panic zombie " survival horror" yeah. is... fallout survivor horror? not realy. Is rage survival horror? not realy. Is stalker survival horror? nope.
7dtd was looking on gameplay on screens on trailers like "surival horror" in open world. Not like rage or fallout 1 2 3. Just like classic "source " survival horror ( source because games/mods survival horrors had specific vibe as first alphas). Now 7dtd have more... "satire"/not serious style. Similiar situation to serious Dead rising 1 and satire dead rising 4.
i will make Later longer post directly too Faatal
Good catch, the steam page was changed. Theoretically the kickstarter page could have changed as well.
Did you read that "definition" you posted? There are words like "commonly" "typically", "frequently", "tend to", "is not unusual" in almost every sentence. Once you have a few of those properties you probably can call your game "horror survival". It certainly would be wrong to call 7D2D a pure survival horror game, I would prefer to call it a "survival , horror" game. Or what TFP did there, call it a "mash-up of " multiple genres as some parts of those genres might not survive the "mashing up".
So i went to steam and searched for games with the tag "survival horror". And among many dark and sinister games there was also "Don't starve together", which is schock full of humor. And "Secret neighbor" which also has many of the properties of "survival horror" but again is more on the funny side. But both surely fit unter "survival horror".