The opponents aren't zombies anymore!

[JDogg126]

I suspect the problem is that in order to have game challenge, you either need to have "smarter" zombies, tougher zombies (we don't seem to want bullet-sponges...or at least not many of them), or more zombies. I think most of us want that last option....but I'm guessing it's in the realm of "not possible" due to the game's limitations.

 

I completely agree that smart zombies are meh. I'd love to take refuge up on a roof, and see their masses just keep building below. Sure, they're a turkey-shoot, but how much ammo do I have? The sound of my gunshots bringing still more. They're not smart enough to work together to break down the doors I boarded up, but now and then one of them will crash against the door, making me wonder how long they will hold.

 

I think our game lacks the "ZPUs" to give us the option we really want.

 

 

-Morloc

 

What I want is:

 

 

But I don't think I'll ever see that in this game.

 

I'm okay with the game compensating for the inability to give raw numbers of zombies with more powerful versions of zombies.

But I think the zombie AI needs to have a different level of AI for each type of zombie.

Speed shouldn't be the only difference in zombies.

[LuckyStar]

What I want is:

 

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But I don't think I'll ever see that in this game.

 

I'm okay with the game compensating for the inability to give raw numbers of zombies with more powerful versions of zombies.

But I think the zombie AI needs to have a different level of AI for each type of zombie.

Speed shouldn't be the only difference in zombies.

 

I made a modded server in A16 with increased numbers.

 

We:

 

- Removed ALL lighting from POIS

- Removed all large POIS

- Removed anything decorative [signs]

- Removed almost all grass and made everything else more sparse

- Replaced High render/resource blocks with ones more resource friendly

- Some other tweaks

 

And it worked!

It looked ...I don't want to say terrible... but not good.

 

We did, however, get Chunk Spawning up really high.

The wandering hordes were huge.

Blood Moon wasn't much different, that we never got right.

 

I'll tell you though, going into a town and having to fight off 50 zombies was awesome!!!

It's more for kicks, I don't know that I'd want to play like that all the time but it was a nice change.

[RantingMonkey]

I'm not a fan of the idea of different intelligence for each zombie type, brainless is brainless. Stronger, a bit faster (I like slow scary zombies), even more hit points I understand. One type being smarter seems wrong to me.

[Damocles]

I'm not a fan of the idea of different intelligence for each zombie type, brainless is brainless. Stronger, a bit faster (I like slow scary zombies), even more hit points I understand. One type being smarter seems wrong to me.

 

A game where the opponents are very predictable, also makes them easy to cheeze (trapping them in an easy to avoid dead end), and in the long term boring.

Thats why there needs to be variety in their abilities.

 

Having the knowledge that only some of them can get around your simple defences, creates a different setting, and makes the world more scary.

Not every zombie should have perfect pathfinding abilities though, but if some have it, the world feels way more dangerous.

 

(in the Walking Dead there is a reason that there are not ONLY zombies as danger. There are numerous bandits and enemy humans that oppose the protagonists. Else the story would get boring, and there is only so much to iterate on peoples personal problems with their family or old life.)

[LuckyStar]

A game where the opponents are very predictable, also makes them easy to cheeze (trapping them in an easy to avoid dead end), and in the long term boring.

Thats why there needs to be variety in their abilities.

 

Having the knowledge that only some of them can get around your simple defences, creates a different setting, and makes the world more scary.

Not every zombie should have perfect pathfinding abilities though, but if some have it, the world feels way more dangerous.

 

(in the Walking Dead there is a reason that there are not ONLY zombies as danger. There are numerous bandits and enemy humans that oppose the protagonists. Else the story would get boring, and there is only so much to iterate on peoples personal problems with their family or old life.)

 

YUP!

 

This 100%.

 

Very well said.

[Guppycur]

I've said forever that the threat of zombies should be an environmental one, not a protagonist one, and that survival should be the real threat.

 

...there's only so much you can do with zombies before they go from predictable and manageable to cartoony and over powered.

 

Hunger, elements, other people... These should be what plagues you.

 

But, I get it, horde nights yadda yadda yadda...

[FranticDan]

What bothers me is that when it comes to pathing to the player, the zombies know the EXACT route to take to get from the ground to the 4th floor. Yet, unless you know that building's layout, it would take you many wrong turns before finally reaching where the player WAS, now the player is on the 7th floor, yet the zombies still know EXACTLY where that player is. Do they have infrared vision or something?

 

Edit: On top of that, sleeper zombies don't make any noise until you attack them or they attack you (they only make noise if they are attacking blocks) so you don't even know they are there until they come into view or they attack you from behind :/

[Frotus]

A game where the opponents are very predictable, also makes them easy to cheeze (trapping them in an easy to avoid dead end), and in the long term boring.

 

(in the Walking Dead there is a reason that there are not ONLY zombies as danger. There are numerous bandits and enemy humans that oppose the protagonists. Else the story would get boring, and there is only so much to iterate on peoples personal problems with their family or old life.)

 

Haha. This is why I had to stop watching Walking Dead. The zombies are mindless and predictable, but somehow people keep finding ways to get themselves infected. It's like people are drawn to doing dumb things to get bit. They can control a horde of thousands and thousands of zombies, but can't clear a small store without getting one or two people killed... ;-)

[LuckyStar]

I've said forever that the threat of zombies should be an environmental one, not a protagonist one, and that survival should be the real threat.

 

...there's only so much you can do with zombies before they go from predictable and manageable to cartoony and over powered.

 

Hunger, elements, other people... These should be what plagues you.

 

But, I get it, horde nights yadda yadda yadda...

 

The author of The Walking Dead series would agree with you.

 

Those books are about the interaction between humans.

THEY are the real enemy and the zombies, like you say, are just part of the environment.

 

The real question is, how do you translate that to a game like 7DTD which is primarily a SP game?

[Crocodile]

Zombies was never be real Zombies in this game. Simple fact - 7DTD so-called Zombies can "Bleed". Somehow. And, they also can DIE from bleeding. Zombies can bleed and die from blood loss...

 

And, those Zombies can feel the pain. We all know, how they playing "hurt" animation when you hit them hard. Zombies, that can feel pain and bleed...

 

Frozen Zombies, that can move, despite fact that they are frozen, and bleed as well. Bleed with ice I guess.

 

Also, there is Zombie cop, that filled with some explosive substance. He can spill acid, that mean he filled with it, but we cannot detonate this explosive acid, just by shooting at this Zombie. He can trigger this explosive matter by his wish, before his death. So, Zombie cop knows that he is dead, but can die again, and he know when he is near death, and can trigger himself to explode. And he can bleed too. Despite fact that he filled with explosive acid in his body vessels.

 

Zombies in 7DTD not hunting animals, animals hunting and killing Zombies instead. Zombies meat fresh and tasty for animals, especially flesh of frozen and acid cop.

 

Paralized Zombies. We all know this guy, crawler, that in a17 actually have legs. But, he is crawling instead. That mean that he is paralized, and cannot feel or use his lower part of body.

 

Zombies that can breeze. Screamers use their throat to call another Zombies, this is mean that they can breeze, cos for multiple screams, they must to fill lungs with air again.

 

So, all those creatures in 7DTD cannot be call Zombies at all.

 

Please, never use word Zombie about those poor paralized, bleeding, breezing, feeling, defensless against animals creatures again. Mutants they are, and this is mutants - survival game.

[Tin]

Zombies was never be real Zombies in this game. Simple fact - 7DTD so-called Zombies can "Bleed". Somehow. And, they also can DIE from bleeding. Zombies can bleed and die from blood loss...

 

 

And, those Zombies can feel the pain. We all know, how they playing "hurt" animation when you hit them hard. Zombies, that can feel pain and bleed...

 

Frozen Zombies, that can move, despite fact that they are frozen, and bleed as well. Bleed with ice I guess.

 

Also, there is Zombie cop, that filled with some explosive substance. He can spill acid, that mean he filled with it, but we cannot detonate this explosive acid, just by shooting at this Zombie. He can trigger this explosive matter by his wish, before his death. So, Zombie cop knows that he is dead, but can die again, and he know when he is near death, and can trigger himself to explode. And he can bleed too. Despite fact that he filled with explosive acid in his body vessels.

 

Zombies in 7DTD not hunting animals, animals hunting and killing Zombies instead. Zombies meat fresh and tasty for animals, especially flesh of frozen and acid cop.

 

Paralized Zombies. We all know this guy, crawler, that in a17 actually have legs. But, he is crawling instead. That mean that he is paralized, and cannot feel or use his lower part of body.

 

Zombies that can breeze. Screamers use their throat to call another Zombies, this is mean that they can breeze, cos for multiple screams, they must to fill lungs with air again.

 

So, all those creatures in 7DTD cannot be call Zombies at all.

 

Please, never use word Zombie about those poor paralized, bleeding, breezing, feeling, defensless against animals creatures again. Mutants they are, and this is mutants - survival game

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haha, then call them what you want? I'll still call them zombies, because for me, they fit for what I consider the basic criteria for how zombie should be.

They once were living.

They clinically died.

They rose again.

They have a need to kill and feed upon living things.

Everything else I'll leave to their creators interpretation, on how they want them to act, or what abilities they have, or if they have different versions of them.

[Crocodile]

There is no proof that they are dead. They bleed, feel pain, breeze, so maybe they still alive, just mutated after some radiation and infection.

[LuckyStar]

haha, then call them what you want? I'll still call them zombies, because for me, they fit for what I consider the basic criteria for how zombie should be.

They once were living.

They clinically died.

They rose again.

They have a need to kill and feed upon living things.

Everything else I'll leave to their creators interpretation, on how they want them to act, or what abilities they have, or if they have different versions of them.

 

Yeah exactly.

 

There is no ONE set of rules for zombies.

It's a mythical creature and it's open to whatever the artist dictates.

[Shiana]

Well, but there has to be some sort of common canon, because if there wasn't we wouldnt know what we are talking about.

And the most common canon of zombies - or the main zombie legend if that wording is better, dictates what you understand under the word zombie

And 7d2d team always said, that the enemies are zombies, and not just some ill or mutated humans.

 

Therefore we can assume that most parts of the common canon for zombies are legit.

As there are:

They were dead.

They have risen again (so now they are undead. and not living. But, we don't know what "un-dead" actually stands for. They could bleed, feel, etc...), but as the common canon dictates, they have a hunger for brains, and can only be killed again if you try quite hard.....

[DerValiser]

Wow. One Whiner made it to reset the game to the same ♥♥♥♥ as the last years.

1st Release of A17 was nearly perfect. And now..... 2 years of work for the trash.

Great job, Postmortem. You killed the game.

[LuckyStar]

Well, but there has to be some sort of common canon, because if there wasn't we wouldnt know what we are talking about.

.

 

I don't know that there has to be,

 

Zombies are pretty much all over the place.

 

"The Last of Us" zombies were basically mushrooms.

 

People were fine with that.

Don't remember anyone throwing a controller screaming:

 

"F*** this! What about cannon? This is bulls***!"

[Randomdude]

Well, but there has to be some sort of common canon, because if there wasn't we wouldnt know what we are talking about.

And the most common canon of zombies - or the main zombie legend if that wording is better, dictates what you understand under the word zombie

And 7d2d team always said, that the enemies are zombies, and not just some ill or mutated humans.

 

Therefore we can assume that most parts of the common canon for zombies are legit.

As there are:

They were dead.

They have risen again (so now they are undead. and not living. But, we don't know what "un-dead" actually stands for. They could bleed, feel, etc...), but as the common canon dictates, they have a hunger for brains, and can only be killed again if you try quite hard.....

 

Don't bother, cannon does matter for some of us. Next they'lle add werwolves that fly because they're their kind of werewolves. BS!