Don't like it? Stop complaining, go play something else...

[ricp]

Don't like the new Experimental Alpha? Don't play it. It's literally that simple. It's not even an official stable release yet. It's as blunt as I can be.

 

I have no problems with people providing negative feedback, in fact I myself have issues regarding the level gates and the weapons, but ultimately I've not spent a year updating a game that in itself I've been developing for many years. If you don't like it, create your own? Can't create your own, then it's pretty much tough luck because as in all walks of life those who do, do, and those who can't criticise.

 

For those who just drop in to repeat the same tired, boring and predictable bull♥♥♥♥ about how it's the worst thing ever. And there have been a few notable "stuck records" in this forum. You need to step back, realise that this game was developed not for you personally but for all and that broad brush claims it's been ruined is akin to a spoilt child throwing their toys out of their pram on Christmas because they toy you were promised wasn't exactly what you wanted.

 

/ rant over

[HerrKingsley]

Shall we see if we can get this thread going for 7 days as well

[Kalarro]

I dont know how somebody with rep power can start a thread like this.

[Corbit]

Don't like negative posts? Stop complaining and go read something else

[PoppaTot]

Don't like negative posts? Stop complaining and go read something else

 

I lul'd lmao

[Randomdude]

I dont know how somebody with rep power can start a thread like this.

 

"Indy" Company

[ricp]

I dont know how somebody with rep power can start a thread like this.

 

Not sure "rep power" has any relevance here. For example there is someone who never posts but logs in purely to put negative rep onto my posts. Other than giving me a laugh that they're so annoyed they had to create a different account just to vent their anger, what is the point of rep anyway on this board?

 

Don't like negative posts? Stop complaining and go read something else

 

It's a fair point, and comes under the paradox of complaining about people complaining. There have been some absolute doozies of posts though, who somehow seem to assume that the game is built specifically for their own game style and that TFP changing anything was akin to Mad Mole personally coming along and ♥♥♥♥ting in their cornflakes. The hyperbole and arrogance is off the scale, and these people don't seem to realise it.

[rhud1979]

__________ Insert "Just here for the comments" meme

[Guppycur]

Not sure "rep power" has any relevance here. For example there is someone who never posts but logs in purely to put negative rep onto my posts. Other than giving me a laugh that they're so annoyed they had to create a different account just to vent their anger, what is the point of rep anyway on this board?

 

 

 

It's a fair point, and comes under the paradox of complaining about people complaining. There have been some absolute doozies of posts though, who somehow seem to assume that the game is built specifically for their own game style and that TFP changing anything was akin to Mad Mole personally coming along and sh*tting in their cornflakes. The hyperbole and arrogance is off the scale, and these people don't seem to realise it.

 

Well of course people are going to defend what they want. That's the entire point.

 

...even if they're wrong and disagree with me. =)

[Kalarro]

Not sure "rep power" has any relevance here. For example there is someone who never posts but logs in purely to put negative rep onto my posts. Other than giving me a laugh that they're so annoyed they had to create a different account just to vent their anger, what is the point of rep anyway on this board?

 

 

I thought it was something the forum moderators granted.

you appear with 0 now, I thought I saw 1 before.

[General Lee]

Not sure "rep power" has any relevance here. For example there is someone who never posts but logs in purely to put negative rep onto my posts. Other than giving me a laugh that they're so annoyed they had to create a different account just to vent their anger, what is the point of rep anyway on this board?

 

 

 

It's a fair point, and comes under the paradox of complaining about people complaining. There have been some absolute doozies of posts though, who somehow seem to assume that the game is built specifically for their own game style and that TFP changing anything was akin to Mad Mole personally coming along and sh*tting in their cornflakes. The hyperbole and arrogance is off the scale, and these people don't seem to realise it.

 

Well, that's just, like, your opinion man. LOL

[ricp]

Well of course people are going to defend what they want. That's the entire point.

 

...even if they're wrong and disagree with me. =)

 

Got no problem with people saying they like or dislike this.

 

It's when it boils over to absolutism. When people claim that the game is ruined broken or unplayable. The lag, now the lag is definitely a show stopper, but the amount of glue or bones? That's nothing, yet people have used that as evidence the whole game is borked.

 

I've discussed A17 on several threads, and while being broadly positive about it I accept that balancing (and perhaps a slight move back to character progression rather than level gates) is needed. That's not a broken game in any sense of the word.

 

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Well, that's just, like, your opinion man. LOL

 

Shut the f*ck up, Donnie, you have no frame of reference!

 

Seriously, just about everything can be improved with a TBL quote.

 

I thought it was something the forum moderators granted.

you appear with 0 now, I thought I saw 1 before.

 

As I said, pram emptied toys everywhere. I don't think I've ever not been able to start a thread though, be daft if that was tied to rep.

[Viktoriusiii]

I dont know how somebody with rep power can start a thread like this.

 

Rep power doesn't say anything

But yeah... threads like this are so petty.

 

"YOU CRITIZISED SOMETHING I LIKE SO YOU SUCK!!"

 

How about this ricp:

 

I absolutely love 7D2D. It was my favourite game for well over a year and I recommended it so hard to my friends, that six of them actually bought it (even two of them didn't like it as much )

I loved the sandboxy voxel world that was 10x better than minecraft.

I loved the horror at night (until I figured all the exploits)

I loved collecting all the nice gunparts

And so much more. Different Alphas brought different challenges, exploits and removals of features. But they all improved the overall feel and flow of the game.

 

A17experimental is an experimental sure.

And if you like it, I'm so happy for you.

But there are some issues. And your post completely ignores those and tells ppl to go fk themselves if they want the game to succeed.

 

A17 has some big issues that are part of a mentality of TFPs in recent years. (remove, don't fix)(Challenge over plausible worldbuilding) and so on. And people try to tell them that there are major problems they need to adress (levelgating for instance or the faulty A.I.)

When you tell those people to "just not play it", you are trying to kill this game and its playerbase.

 

Oh and also it's rude AF.

[Royal Deluxe]

Fixed that

White knights only. This forum needs to be exclusive

[Bubbahotetp]

Don't like the new Experimental Alpha? Don't play it. It's literally that simple. It's not even an official stable release yet. It's as blunt as I can be.

 

I have no problems with people providing negative feedback, in fact I myself have issues regarding the level gates and the weapons, but ultimately I've not spent a year updating a game that in itself I've been developing for many years. If you don't like it, create your own? Can't create your own, then it's pretty much tough luck because as in all walks of life those who do, do, and those who can't criticise.

 

For those who just drop in to repeat the same tired, boring and predictable bull♥♥♥♥ about how it's the worst thing ever. And there have been a few notable "stuck records" in this forum. You need to step back, realise that this game was developed not for you personally but for all and that broad brush claims it's been ruined is akin to a spoilt child throwing their toys out of their pram on Christmas because they toy you were promised wasn't exactly what you wanted.

 

/ rant over

 

Part of Early Access is customer feedback. The feedback on here is NOT FOR YOU, it's for the developers. Take your own advice and stop with your same tired, boring and predictablle bull♥♥♥♥ about complaining players. Don't like it? Start playing something that's not in EA...

[ricp]

Part of Early Access is customer feedback. The feedback on here is NOT FOR YOU, it's for the developers. Take your own advice and stop with your same tired, boring and predictablle bull♥♥♥♥ about complaining players. Don't like it? Start playing something that's not in EA...

 

Sorry bud, but endless threads started in this forum with people just slating the game with explicit claims that it's irretrievably broken or unplayable are the forum equivalent of pissing yourself in a public place. It's not feedback and it's certainly not constructive criticism.

 

Don't really understand your second point, I'm entirely happy with the EA model that TFP use and I'm broadly happy with A17 Exp. I see no reason to stop playing it. I think you've got a little mixed up when trying to flip my own argument.

[Ghostlight]

Don't like the new Experimental Alpha? Don't play it. It's literally that simple. It's not even an official stable release yet. It's as blunt as I can be.

 

I have no problems with people providing negative feedback, in fact I myself have issues regarding the level gates and the weapons, but ultimately I've not spent a year updating a game that in itself I've been developing for many years. If you don't like it, create your own? Can't create your own, then it's pretty much tough luck because as in all walks of life those who do, do, and those who can't criticise.

 

For those who just drop in to repeat the same tired, boring and predictable bull♥♥♥♥ about how it's the worst thing ever. And there have been a few notable "stuck records" in this forum. You need to step back, realise that this game was developed not for you personally but for all and that broad brush claims it's been ruined is akin to a spoilt child throwing their toys out of their pram on Christmas because they toy you were promised wasn't exactly what you wanted.

 

/ rant over

 

I am so disappointed in this post. And from a fellow Scot to boot.

[PoppaTot]

When you tell those people to "just not play it", you are trying to kill this game and its playerbase.

 

Oh and also it's rude AF.

 

100% facts

[ricp]

"YOU CRITIZISED SOMETHING I LIKE SO YOU SUCK!!"

 

If that's what you take from my post then you've definitely got the wrong end of the stick.

 

My issue is the hyperbole and over reaction, not that they are criticising it.

 

Fixed that

 

"white knight"? Really?

 

Come on bud, you can do better than quote from the "big book of Internet fallacies".

 

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I am so disappointed in this post. And from a fellow Scot to boot.

 

Disappointed that you never made it? Disappointed that it's true? Disappointed in the fact that the tory government have ridden roughshod over the will of the Scottish people while pandering the bigoted abd religious hatred of our Norn Iron cousins? So many things are disappoint, big man.

[Eliwood407]

So you are saying Fun Pimps should only be receiving positive feedback?

Do you really think this will help them?

How old are you?

 

I've seen you around on this forum since I joined a couple of days ago and you seem to have a personal vendetta against players who leave negative feedback. I could be wrong, but you really seem like an insecure person, blindly defending a game not understanding that it takes both positive AND negative feedback to craft a great game.

 

If you can't take constructive criticism, don't open those threads.

It's not like they are aimed towards you or anything you've done.

Stop your silly attempt to silence feedback and be a pest to a game's community.

[Royal Deluxe]

...

"white knight"? Really?

Come on bud, you can do better than quote from the "big book of Internet fallacies".

What the english term for brain diarrhea ?

 

 

A17 is really good for the most part, this change not that some "decisions" are bad and gamebreaking for some ways to play the game.

The only gamestyle that works in B208 really is COD playstyle.

Loot a gun and ammo and hunt zombies.

 

and even if you dont perceive it so, this is how other people perceive it. And following your words, many of them

[ricp]

What the english term for brain diarrhea ?

 

I personally like the term "word salad" although, obviously I'd disagree that my post constitutes that..

 

A17 is really good for the most part, this change not that some "decisions" are bad and gamebreaking for some ways to play the game.

The only gamestyle that works in B208 really is COD playstyle.

Loot a gun and ammo and hunt zombies.

 

and even if you dont perceive it so, this is how other people perceive it. And following your words, many of them

 

I'd say that balancing will resolve a lot of that. There are too many guns, for example. I'd disagree you have to play it CoD style. It's not how I play it.

[Royal Deluxe]

I allready killed more zombies in 337 Hours A17 than in 5500+ Hours before.

 

not really satisfying gameplay after 2-3 hours

[ricp]

I allready killed more zombies in 337 Hours A17 than in 5500+ Hours before.

 

Don't have the stats at hand but it may be the case across the board. That said, with the new AI and the increased number of zombies about, you probably need to take on more zombies. Again I have don't have the stats to back that up.

 

not really satisfying gameplay after 2-3 hours

 

Although we both accept that either opinion we give is subjective, I don't really agree. It's probably not going to be a satisfactory answer but I'd say a lot of that will be resolved with balancing. Late game will be extended with NPCs. Those are both hopes, but not unreasonable ones given the evidence we have.

 

Thing is, and I could be wrong here, but I've not seen you claiming the game is entirely broken or that the TFP must do this or must do that. That's the difference. It's the explicit claims from people who have absolutely no grasp of how much work goes into developing games this size. It's insulting, and for me annoying, and is an anathema to being helpful.

 

 

 

In many ways, I'm sort of glad the problems that are being raised are to do with the character structure and progression rather than the new A17 world. That, it is fair to say, is laggy and seriously needs optimising but overall it is a much more enjoyable and engaging environment in comparison to A16.

[Limdood]

When something goes from a level of enjoyment to a lower level of enjoyment, people vent. It's therapeutic both for the venter, and for SOME of the ventees.

 

Those "everything sucks now" threads don't exist in a vacuum. There are several replies of agreement in there. Those people bought the game, they get a voice the same as you ricp.

 

There are also plenty of people who are really annoyed at some, many, or all aspects of the changes who really appreciate OTHERS posting their feelings so they can chime in. Maybe they don't want to be "that guy" who starts the thread, or they can't find the right words, or whatever, but they have an opinion too.

 

Lastly, they made an investment in something, and that something has gotten worse...they're upset, they want it fixed or reverted. It may not happen, but they're perfectly allowed to vent as long as they're not breaking forum rules. If your job suddenly added a ton more responsibilities and became way harder or more punishing, you'd want to vent to...someone telling you "just find another job" is, as stated by others above, rude and unhelpful in the extreme. To be honest, it's significantly LESS helpful than the person shouting "i hate everything."