Why you broke your game

[Jan2607]

2. Guns

 

Previously a player could find, make or buy weapons and weapon parts from Q1 to Q600. In order to put a weapon together or disssemble it you needed to find instructions on how to do it (schematics). When you found a new part or gun that was better than your current one you progressed, this was satisfying.

 

Now the gun thats level 1 and grey that you find one day 1 does the same damage as a level six purple one, it has less mod slots but again finding mods and or schematics to use/make mods is random and rare and cannot be counted on therefore you have no incentive to try and find better guns and the fun you had from continually working towards a high quality gun is totally gone

 

I'm glad they got rid of the odd weapon quality. A rifle is a rifle. There are no quality differences on AK-47s. Just go to the Kalashnikov manufactory and ask, which of their rifle has a better quality, this one or this one. They will call you retarded.

All AK-47s will do the same amount of damage to a body. How big the damge will be only depends from the ammunition and where you ht your target.

 

The only issue I have with the current build is the balancing of the weapons. If I shoot a normal zombie (for example a nurse) with a sniper rifle in the head, he/she should be gone.

[Snowydeath]

1,2 and 3 - its exactly as it was, except now instead of item itself getting better, you get mod slots and mods which do the exact think you are complaining is not present anymore.

 

4. Kind of agree, early game is pain, but once you have perks, its fine, bike is also relatively early game unlock.

 

5. Indifferent, I'm playing in coop only with friends.

 

6. You are not supposed to wall of zombies and hordes, you're supposed to actively defend your base now, its a great change that eliminates a lot of cheese tactics and forces you to use traps AND actually fight yourself. That is a great change.

 

7. You are NOT supposed to have a singular location in game where you are 100% perfectly safe. If some people do not want to face zombies or want to face them when they want, then these people can play in creative mode and spawn them for themselves if they feel like it. Bedrock bases were massive problem and AI exploit, making you skip a part of the game that was always meant to be mandatory.

 

8. And now you are going to build something that is more reasonable as it was just another AI exploit.

 

9. Maybe you aren't supposed to have certain stuff in early game? Maybe you are supposed to use lower tier materials? Its called gameplay pace, it got slowed down, but is not new as level gating was widely present in A16.

 

10. Dying is no longer free base teleport and staying alife is actually important in SURVIVAL game. Boo hoo.

 

Well put friend, I believe we are headed in the right direction for this game. It is absolutely a million times better than A16 ever coulda been. The people who whine are those who exploited the game and didn't play it how it is supposed to be (A survival game) now they whine they can't have invincible forts by week 2... I love the challenge and sure, balance is an issue for casual/bad players but for me It's pretty sweet. I die rarely and it's mostly to my arrogance because I didn't scope the situation (Like what most whiners have been doing, run into a POI and die because they don't know any better). I absolutely look forward to patches and later updates that expand on the new systems (WHICH ARE COMING OBVIOUSLY)… These people don't realize that a first iteration will not be perfect and that this is EXPERIMENTAL... Sure, some issues need to be ironed out, but if you whine and uninstall because you are actually bad at the game (Saw a thread) then you do not deserve to call yourself a gamer. Gamers should be able to adapt to changes especially in an EA game like this. Where the Devs are literally creating their dream game.

[Doctor3D]

 

The only issue I have with the current build is the balancing of the weapons. If I shoot a normal zombie (for example a nurse) with a sniper rifle in the head, he/she should be gone.

 

Well, with enough perks and mods soon enough you'll be wiping out zombies so ridiculously easy that even a zombie bear is no threat. It's going to be very hard to balance this game where shooting things are satisfying but the challenge is still there. Right now, my character is just way too OP which takes away the feeling of a threat. Zombie bears used to scare the crap out of me. Now they die about as easy as a day 1 character shooting a zombie. Roughly equivalent to that. Maybe even a little easier.

 

If you can kill everything so quickly and so easily - where is the game challenge? It's a problem. There's just not enough zombies in the game for the sheer numbers to be the challenge. I've already started modding the zombie quantities and even with them set so high that my FPS literally dropping to the single digits at times - it's just too damn easy after you leveled. I don't really know what the solution to this could be.

[Drunkwolf]

why shouldnt a level 1 gun do the same damage as a level 6 gun? they are both shooting the same ammo. the higher level gun can be made better by modding it and it last longer because it is better. and when u level up perks YOU get better using the gun.

 

why is this so bad? its the same thing with tools.

[Zadwanaa]

i love the stamina complaints esp with a game trying to have some realism to it.... Go run 100km, unless you've trained you're going to be out of stamina.

 

I tested the "no more underground base" complaints... Yeah, horde night you need to fight, but every second of every day outside of horde night, you can afk underground just fine.

 

Weapons are weapons, why would 1 fireaxe be better than another without mods & skills coming into play?

 

I hated gun parts. I couldn't be happier that gun parts are gone. Why would you find a pistol reciever just randomly without any other part of the pistol anywhere in sight

[Drunkwolf]

i love the stamina complaints esp with a game trying to have some realism to it.... Go run 100km, unless you've trained you're going to be out of stamina.

 

I tested the "no more underground base" complaints... Yeah, horde night you need to fight, but every second of every day outside of horde night, you can afk underground just fine.

 

Weapons are weapons, why would 1 fireaxe be better than another without mods & skills coming into play?

 

I hated gun parts. I couldn't be happier that gun parts are gone. Why would you find a pistol reciever just randomly without any other part of the pistol anywhere in sight

 

I agree with the stam, it was so dumbed down in 16 i could run for ever without coffee or beer once i had Rex upgraded i didnt even bother making a bike. now it is important to actually get vehicles.

[m1n2v5]

"mod it out"

 

"it's an experimental"

 

when it's a stable, "it's early access"

 

glad to see the excuses for ignoring player criticism has not changed in the last 2 years, at least you fun pimps are consistent with that

[Snowydeath]

"mod it out"

 

"it's an experimental"

 

when it's a stable, "it's early access"

 

glad to see the excuses for ignoring player criticism has not changed in the last 2 years, at least you fun pimps are consistent with that

 

Modding is so easy any human with half a brain can do it for this game. ALl you do is go into the files and find what you want then edit a number...

 

It is experimental and many things are first iterations so yeah, balance and fixes will come. no need to cry and uninstall just because you don't like how it first appears. Constructive criticism is appreciated, most people just hate speech it up here.

 

It IS early access and many things will change, so yeah. It's a real "excuse" or rather a fact of life.

[m1n2v5]

Modding is so easy any human with half a brain can do it for this game. ALl you do is go into the files and find what you want then edit a number...

 

It is experimental and many things are first iterations so yeah, balance and fixes will come. no need to cry and uninstall just because you don't like how it first appears. Constructive criticism is appreciated, most people just hate speech it up here.

 

It IS early access and many things will change, so yeah. It's a real "excuse" or rather a fact of life.

 

Of course, I would never expect TFP to take any responsibility for negative aspects of the game, it's clearly up to the players to mod their way around things. 5 years of early access is also very reasonable, very normal, yes, a great factual excuse. Anyone pointing out flaws is definitely just spewing hate speech, it's not like TFP have missed every deadline they self impose and focus on small items, like polling for death penalties, instead of actually addressing large scale issues that have multiple threads up on the front page.

 

TY for proving my initial point, guess I'll try back in a few years to find you people responding to everything with "early access, mod it out!"

[DaVegaNL]

Don't know where you got your drama classes, but i definitely need to take a look at that course..

[Snowydeath]

Of course, I would never expect TFP to take any responsibility for negative aspects of the game, it's clearly up to the players to mod their way around things. 5 years of early access is also very reasonable, very normal, yes, a great factual excuse. Anyone pointing out flaws is definitely just spewing hate speech, it's not like TFP have missed every deadline they self impose and focus on small items, like polling for death penalties, instead of actually addressing large scale issues that have multiple threads up on the front page.

 

TY for proving my initial point, guess I'll try back in a few years to find you people responding to everything with "early access, mod it out!"

 

Considering the way people word their "criticisms" they most definitely are spewing hate with no construction at all. Seeing as how you've never developed a game, it took 6 years (or was it 5?) for a team of over 1200 people to make the Witcher 3. A non voxel based game with a world already built around it. 5 years in EA for a small team is nothing. Oh look, the large team making Star Citizen have made almost no progress in over 7 years of development. yet that team has over 200 million under their belt. which they use to make a space ship to sell for over 1 grand to idiots who wanna "support" that games "development"...

 

Seeing TFP actually create a game and upgrade the engine twice in a year while rebuilding many mechanics from the ground up is very pleasant from my point of view (as a game developer myself). I understand what this team is going through right now and yes, developing a game how you envision it takes many iterations. They are very close to their original goal and have delivered nearly everything they've promised in the KS. There are issues for them to resolve and they shouldn't worry about the simple minded kiddies and casual gamers who do not understand how game development work nor how to provide actual feedback instead of simple complaints with no constructive criticism at all. I simply do not understand the hate bandwagon that has been going around for the first week of A17 EXPERIMENTAL with very little real feedback from the vocal minority here on these forums. Balance will come with updates and CONSTRUCTIVE feedback is always welcomed. You really cannot play a major release like this for a day or two then say it's bad. You have to learn and adapts then provide feedback based on what real issues exist.

 

TL;DR

This is a small team making a massive game, their dream game! There will be issues with experimental and balancing that needs to be done. this is the first iteration of many systems that will be ironed out as A17 progresses. There are large companies with hundreds of people working and still taking 5+ years just to make 1 game that uses mostly rehashed systems and some new textures. The vocal minority refuse to provide real feedback and just complain about how this isn't A16, how it's hard because they refuse to adapt to the new AI and mechanics. As a developer of my own game, I understand the issues TFP have faced (2 engine upgrades, hiring new people and training them, redoing mechanics from scratch, AI are a pain in the ass!).

[Kamuchi]

Not every time. There were some great threads of a negative nature that were well received because they were stated matter-of-factly and without insulting accusations. You're off to a bad start on facts if that is indeed the theme of your thread.

 

1-3. Gear

 

Here are some more facts:

 

Old system progression was limited to two parameters: durability and damage. Other than that every shotgun was the same. Every iron armor was the same. Every pistol was the same.

 

Old system created weird player actions where nobody would open crates because they were too low level. If players were playing with higher level friends only the higher level players would be allowed to open chests.

 

Old system made brown and orange level gear completely useless and shunned.

 

New system makes all base gear the same so brown and orange are basically as useful as the higher tier and don't have to be completely discounted.

 

New system progression adds several parameters to durability and damage. Examples: Rate of fire, accuracy, range, ammo capacity, stamina reduction, special hits like knockdown, stun, and bleed. Through mods all of these paramaters and more can be progressed and you can have two very very different and unique pistols. There is no limit to what the new system will be able to add to gear progression.

 

New system is brand new and in its infancy. More mods will be created.

You are soooo wrong on this one.

Friends and I were hoarding low quality items to upgrade weapons to 600 and for repair.

Repair kits were always a pain in the rear so we reserved them for horde nights where even multiple 600 weapons would be down the drain. (upped zombies to 64 active+boosted horde night swarm)

 

4. Exploration

 

Disagree with your claims that the new stamina and hunger mechanic stifle exploration. If you aren't opposed to drinking drinks to help stamina then you should be opposed to buying some ranks in Agility and also some of the hunger and thirst reduction perks in Fortitude. I run all over the place without any more problem than in previous versions.

I disagree with the stamina aswel, the bycicle is kinda fun to start with.

I do however have a MAJOR issue with the motivation to explore:

When you get a gun, you basically have no reason to get another one any time soon.

With zombies being bullet sponges and I hate melee, I just avoid them unless they are nearby.

POI's drop crap loot so I don't even go into those dungeon houses or just make a hole in the roof to avoid a time sink.

No more schematics, so why even bother exploring?

 

Even with the broken floating point issue in A16, I made a giant map and explored the hell out of it, A17 so far I have done absolutely nothing besides my immidiate surroundings, that and with the horrible mining, I got bored and only level 49.

 

5. Claim stones

 

Agree. I don't know why the change was made.

Every one I know is fed up with this one already and needs to be adressed.

 

 

6-7. Zombie Damage and Digging

 

Disagree. Bases can be built and people can live underground still. Proof is popping up in more and more posts and threads sharing base designs. Underground dwelling is possible-- just not easy and automatically safe.

 

8. Bedrock depth

 

Wasn't aware of this. Not sure what the result will be.

Major gripe for me as I love building my underground home with a defense right ontop of it.

During the day I could do what ever surface stuff I wanted, with the change to run into a very large wandering horde and at night I could mine in peace for more concrete or do food stuff, with the change of very large wandering hordes.

The mining nerf that even with miner69 level 4 that it still takes 5 hits! per stone block with a very slow power attack was the thing that made me just quit, befor it was level 4 with the damage skill that you just 2 hit them and all max insta hit, that made building infra structure fun, this ain't.

It took me over 3 months to build this, there was alot below ground and much more built that I have no screenshots from.

https://imgur.com/ouyKQIM

https://imgur.com/AwHbtPg

 

 

9. Level gating perks

 

In A17 I have specialized several times. Sorry, I do not agree that the game prevents one from specializing.

It's not that, but level 60 to get steel smithing? *quit*

Dropping an egg into a jar of water on the campfire requires a skill to pick up the egg, move it over the jar and open your fingers to drop it in the jar? lol *quit*

Mining taking longer then forever and a dozen zombies give more xp then mining for a week? *quit*

 

I really liked A16 but it needed some serious balancing.

No weapon parts, no zombie loot, no schematics, zombies knocking reinforced concrete over like lego blocks, pretty much no mining and being forced to go zombie hunting?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to force me to go play an fps with building being half pointless then I'll just go play another game as for me I love the building aspect as the main thing and A16 was great.

1768 hours of game time so if this is the new direction that the game is going I'll just call it quit and go from from telling people it's awesome to it sucks from a builder's perspective.

I never had a "offhands" base as I do like zombies as you can see from my open design that I actively had to defend, don't even think of throwing that argument at me...

 

 

10. Death penalty

 

This section was full of opinion rather than fact. Opinions I don't share.

Haven't died once as I'm used to 64 active zombies, but without the urge to explore to find weapon parts or schematics I'll just trust the complaints of others about it.

 

There is no way to move forward and make final decisions without disappointing some large proportion of the playerbase. A large proportion of the playerbase is having more fun than ever before. A large proportion of the playerbase is ambivalent about it. The devs make decisions based on their own preferences.

Wrong, over one and a half year since the last A16 update, people are just checking out what changed.

If this is what is the deciding factor... Pimps are shooting them selfs in the right and left foot.

I am one of those 23,000 in your "stats", played for 3 days and just got bored and really annoyed with the changes and some others on the server are giving it a bit more time as they want to level to 100 befor deciding, but can tell you that they aren't exactly happy either.

So keep throwing statistics out there...

 

Also with the snow being north, forrest middle and desert south, it's absolutely boring and uninspiring.

Befor we had to hunt biomes for their resources, adding to the exploring and multiple mining bases untill creating an underground highway that took weeks.

 

A16.4 with an engine upgrade, some really needed balancing and bug fixing, the new vehicles and A17 would have been AWESOME.

[Rockspider]

Fully agree with the OP

 

also the a17 is so much easier now then a16 ever was I would go for days without finding a weapon (apart from pistols) or being able to open a safe without it taking ages to get in, but even if you did the loot would be poor and at low levels. Now tho lol

 

You would work your way up to something decent was so much more rewarding and it did take time and effort.

Now levels mean nothing

 

I tried the new patch today and within 5 minutes of making my bow found a compound bow! It would take days in a16 to find one and even getting making a crossbow was an achievement.

 

Tried other patches exactly the same just not fun at all. Loot a bit kill every zed and trade yey.

 

Wish they had never put a trader in the game personally and ott on the new dungeon poi's.

[thraka]

OP is 100% correct. Bottom line, it seems TFP accidentally stumbled on a unique game that drew a lot of people in, rather than having actually intended it. Even so, they got it fairly solid in 16, and then, for reasons I cannot understand, threw away everything they had been evolving for years and replaced it with the typical spreadsheet design, low player choice pablum you see in any other product. They had lightning in a bottle and dumped it out, and it makes no sense, but it's their game. So be it.

 

I haven't been playing at all since this alpha came out and I saw the direction things were going. The design philosophy is absolutely against everything I actually loved about the game. This game used to be unique, fun, and endlessly replayable. Now it's not. I have been hoping to see some sign that TFP realized this direction was a mistake, but they never seem to do that, not on any iteration. The fact is that TFP put a lot of work into making the game completely unrecognizable to many long term players, and they are not going to change it. I'm sorry to say this, but it's time for me to uninstall. Time for some of us to face reality and move on, just as we have been repeatedly advised to do by so many here.

 

GLHF

[Kamuchi]

OP is 100% correct. Bottom line, it seems TFP accidentally stumbled on a unique game that drew a lot of people in, rather than having actually intended it. Even so, they got it fairly solid in 16, and then, for reasons I cannot understand, threw away everything they had been evolving for years and replaced it with the typical spreadsheet design, low player choice pablum you see in any other product. They had lightning in a bottle and dumped it out, and it makes no sense, but it's their game. So be it.

 

I haven't been playing at all since this alpha came out and I saw the direction things were going. The design philosophy is absolutely against everything I actually loved about the game. This game used to be unique, fun, and endlessly replayable. Now it's not. I have been hoping to see some sign that TFP realized this direction was a mistake, but they never seem to do that, not on any iteration. The fact is that TFP put a lot of work into making the game completely unrecognizable to many long term players, and they are not going to change it. I'm sorry to say this, but it's time for me to uninstall. Time for some of us to face reality and move on, just as we have been repeatedly advised to do by so many here.

 

GLHF

 

Same.

Pretty sure the ones who are playing a map for longer then 2-4 weeks were expecting a wayyy improved A16.4 version that was great fun to sink a few hundred more hours into the game, but we got this...

[Ghostlight]

I do however have a MAJOR issue with the motivation to explore:

When you get a gun, you basically have no reason to get another one any time soon.

 

Your "end-game" looting is for mods in A17.

[Kamuchi]

Your "end-game" looting is for mods in A17.

 

I don't care about weapon mods, I can 1 shot zombies with a level 5 sniper as is.

[Ghostlight]

Well if you were on a higher difficulty it would be. A level 200 Sniper in A16 would one shot almost any zombies outside of the top tier ones.

[Rockspider]

Well if you were on a higher difficulty it would be. A level 200 Sniper in A16 would one shot almost any zombies outside of the top tier ones.

 

Looting one was the hard part even the parts in a16 You can now tho in a17 very quickly less a scope tho but even that turns up quick enough or even an ak or 2

[Kamuchi]

Well if you were on a higher difficulty it would be. A level 200 Sniper in A16 would one shot almost any zombies outside of the top tier ones.

 

So does a crappy level 1 in this system, see my issue.

In A16 when you lost your sniper, fav weapon, you'd be upset, now you can just craft a few dozen just for the lols...

[vedrit]

 

Old system made brown and orange level gear completely useless and shunned.

 

New system makes all base gear the same so brown and orange are basically as useful as the higher tier and don't have to be completely discounted.

 

New system progression adds several parameters to durability and damage. Examples: Rate of fire, accuracy, range, ammo capacity, stamina reduction, special hits like knockdown, stun, and bleed. Through mods all of these paramaters and more can be progressed and you can have two very very different and unique pistols. There is no limit to what the new system will be able to add to gear progression.

 

New system is brand new and in its infancy. More mods will be created.

 

I'll have to disagree with you here, Roland. In the old system, brown or orange were only shunned if higher quality was readily available. Until then, it was desired. Same for any quality level.

 

In the new system, every think is equally useless because their stats are baseline until late game where you can mod them, assuming you even figure out what mods can even be attached. Which, by the way, is a total guessing game because there's nothing indicating what can go where. No tutorial, no tooltip, nothing.

 

4. Exploration

 

Disagree with your claims that the new stamina and hunger mechanic stifle exploration. If you aren't opposed to drinking drinks to help stamina then you should be opposed to buying some ranks in Agility and also some of the hunger and thirst reduction perks in Fortitude. I run all over the place without any more problem than in previous versions.

 

In A16, the more you ran, the more your athletics skill increased, which allowed you to run further. If you ran for a day, you could run much further the next day. That's a lot of ground covered. Nevermind that your maximum stamina wasn't decreasing.

 

In A17, you can only increase your stamina, decrease stamina drain, or increase stamina regeneration when you level. Precious points that could be spent in health or damage dealing - which help you to level, in the new system where not-killing nets negligible exp points. As others said, until you get a bike, you're pretty much stuck where you start. Which could be a week later.

 

 

9. Level gating perks

 

In A17 I have specialized several times. Sorry, I do not agree that the game prevents one from specializing.

I don't know one way or the other, I just know that the level gate is way too high initially, especially if one plays solo.

 

 

There is no way to move forward and make final decisions without disappointing some large proportion of the playerbase. A large proportion of the playerbase is having more fun than ever before. A large proportion of the playerbase is ambivalent about it. The devs make decisions based on their own preferences.

 

I understand and appreciate the devs making decisions based on their own preferences, but when I look at the changes made in A17, the direction it's been moving in the past few major updates, I'm beginning to wonder if I like their preferences. I recall that A15(I think it was A15...) was the most fun. A16 introduced some neat features, but (IIRC) started gating skills, which was not so great in my book. A17 has completely ruined it for me.

I don't like fighting every single zombie that loads in my screen and actively seeking them out to get that sweet sweet experience.

I don't like being stuck with rudimentary tools for a long time.

I don't like feeling that when I do finally find a better tool, it's not all that much better in practice.

I don't like how it feels like I can run less than an obese person who usually got around on a mobility scooter.

I don't like how it seems that my character gets hungrier faster, but there's no food, because I can't reach any POI's and the zombies don't drop anything.

 

What I do like? Gathering resources and building a fortress so that when horde night comes, I am prepared and can readily handle them, and won't be spending days fixing my fortress in preparation for the next one. I like exploring the world (only ever play RWG), dodging zombies between POIs and seeing what goodies are in store. I like feeling that looting actually helps me progress.

[Benjiro]

Old system created weird player actions where nobody would open crates because they were too low level. If players were playing with higher level friends only the higher level players would be allowed to open chests.

 

Old system made brown and orange level gear completely useless and shunned.

 

New system makes all base gear the same so brown and orange are basically as useful as the higher tier and don't have to be completely discounted.

 

New system progression adds several parameters to durability and damage. Examples: Rate of fire, accuracy, range, ammo capacity, stamina reduction, special hits like knockdown, stun, and bleed. Through mods all of these paramaters and more can be progressed and you can have two very very different and unique pistols. There is no limit to what the new system will be able to add to gear progression.

 

You know the new system has players completely disregarding tool levels because very few good mods show up anyway.

 

When you have player going ... bwah ... buying or finding a Steel axe / shovel vs my Iron axe / shovel is not really worth it. No big differences. I rather sell the steal one.

 

When they see a level 4 gun and simply sell it because its better to get the credits then actually keeping it. That is the effect from removing the damage scaling by levels of the weapons / tools. You kind of made POI rewards even less interesting.

 

The game is now broken in a different way. Most of those mods are things that may have been just as possible with the old system as the new. Range, accuracy, ammo capacity, etc ...

 

Before you got exited to get a level 400 weapon or tool. Now you see a level 4 weapon or tool and you do not give it 2 cents worth of thinking. Good mods are so rare anyway that most people do not even care for most of them. Yay, another dye mod. Sure, having a ugly looking purple gun looks so great.

 

Do not believe me ... do a bit of Youtube watching how people play and very fast you see their attitudes change about the rewards. At first everybody is exited because they still think like A15/A16. But later on they simply do not care anymore. And that is people in day 7, 8 , 9 ...

[Kamuchi]

Roland, in regard to the maximum active claim blocks, could you suggest to just expose it in the serverconfig.xml to something like MaxActiveClaimPerPlayer and just leave it at 1 or 2 by default but pve servers can up it to what ever they like?

[wildaxeman1]

i would like to see slight damage increase with tools and weapons in higher tier. even 1 extra damage to block or entity would be nice. mods do rest. it is just to have more desire to get better equipment.

[Noompsie]

OP is 100% correct. Bottom line, it seems TFP accidentally stumbled on a unique game that drew a lot of people in, rather than having actually intended it. Even so, they got it fairly solid in 16, and then, for reasons I cannot understand, threw away everything they had been evolving for years and replaced it with the typical spreadsheet design, low player choice pablum you see in any other product. They had lightning in a bottle and dumped it out, and it makes no sense, but it's their game. So be it.

 

I haven't been playing at all since this alpha came out and I saw the direction things were going. The design philosophy is absolutely against everything I actually loved about the game. This game used to be unique, fun, and endlessly replayable. Now it's not. I have been hoping to see some sign that TFP realized this direction was a mistake, but they never seem to do that, not on any iteration. The fact is that TFP put a lot of work into making the game completely unrecognizable to many long term players, and they are not going to change it. I'm sorry to say this, but it's time for me to uninstall. Time for some of us to face reality and move on, just as we have been repeatedly advised to do by so many here.

 

GLHF

 

Yep. Unfortunately the OP is correct. The quoted post here is also correct. They built a game over many, many alphas, which people loved and played to death. This is no longer the same game, and is going down the road of a lot of games that have vanished into obscurity. Damn shame.