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100% agree.

TellTales is going liquidated, they will ask for money in exchange of the console 7DTD IP licence.

They won't care about Iron Galaxy getting not paid or a free mandatory update being required in order to fix remaining bugs.

If you were a company CEO, would you be interested in buying an old IP requiring additional money in debugging and only a few new sales possible as there are many competitors now in the market, including huge ones ?

 

-DLC... I play on PC and Console and I am willing to pay for a Vehicle DLC Bundle for PS4. $19.99 sounds great for a Motorcycle to a Gyro-Copter unlock (As in craft-able when you get the skills). For those that find that price to high, they can wait for 1/2 price sales.

 

-Personal note, I believe TFP deserve recompense for this great game, and I play Fallout 76 among other big names and I keep coming back to 7dtd because it offers many aspects that those corporate run titles charge far too much money for or are not interested in satisfying because it's not lucrative enough for them to be bothered. TFP don't get enough credit for their efforts. Just an observation.

 

-Krow

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I’m sure I’m way out of date here, But does alpha 17 update only come for pc players?

Totally.

 

Once TFP can pull the rights out of the cold dead hands of TellTale, work can begin on finishing the next update that Iron Galaxy was getting close to completing. That will give the console a good chunk of a16 changes.

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I'm still pouring a shed load of hours into this game, there's just nothing like it on console, it runs great and the md5 error is no longer a problem when using the 'workaround fix' so no more lost progress.

 

Here's hoping things can be worked out soon, seeing the update 17 on pc has me green with envy.

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Totally.

 

Once TFP can pull the rights out of the cold dead hands of TellTale, work can begin on finishing the next update that Iron Galaxy was getting close to completing. That will give the console a good chunk of a16 changes.

 

Do you have any proof that this is going to happen? Did you work for TTG or IG? Not sure how you would know any of this is going to happen. Let alone that IG "was getting close to completing" the update we were told was being worked on. Please post where you got your info, as I would love to be wrong and what you posted is going to happen. But I live in Missouri so Show Me.

 

I know TFP said they want to support console, but it certainly doesn't look like anyone will do anything with the current status of the game, on the console side. If there isn't new money for the console side, I don't see anyone paying for rights to a game that have no new revenue coming in for it.

 

TFP didn't even mention on console side about the merch for sale on Amazon. If it would help get that last update I would buy a T-shirt, but we didn't get that announcement for a reason. IMHO.

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Do you have any proof that this is going to happen? Did you work for TTG or IG? Not sure how you would know any of this is going to happen. Let alone that IG "was getting close to completing" the update we were told was being worked on. Please post where you got your info, as I would love to be wrong and what you posted is going to happen. But I live in Missouri so Show Me.

 

I know TFP said they want to support console, but it certainly doesn't look like anyone will do anything with the current status of the game, on the console side. If there isn't new money for the console side, I don't see anyone paying for rights to a game that have no new revenue coming in for it.

 

TFP didn't even mention on console side about the merch for sale on Amazon. If it would help get that last update I would buy a T-shirt, but we didn't get that announcement for a reason. IMHO.

 

Speaking with just as much information as you have: The console port is encased in 20 meters of steel blocks as long as the legal stuff isn't finished, with the auction somewhere in the future. Until that date there is no sense in doing anything, TFP probably don't even have any rights to access the code at all. What did you have in mind with "look like anyone will do anything with"?

 

What SylenThunder is probably refering to is the public statement of TFP that they want to get the rights for the console port and continue it's development (as far as I remember). Please read the original statement to find out exactly what TFP said though, I'm just rephrasing from memory and don't want to misrepresent their statement.

 

So it is a reasonable expectation that they will make a bid at the auction. It is also reasonable that they can't guarantee to be the highest bidder, but it follows there should be at least one bidder, i.e. TFP themselves.

 

As long as TFP can't guarantee their success in aquiring the rights I would consider it a really really bad idea to advertise merchandise on the console side ! That would be a recipe for a ♥♥♥♥ storm, don't you think?

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Speaking with just as much information as you have: The console port is encased in 20 meters of steel blocks as long as the legal stuff isn't finished, with the auction somewhere in the future. Until that date there is no sense in doing anything, TFP probably don't even have any rights to access the code at all. What did you have in mind with "look like anyone will do anything with"?

 

What SylenThunder is probably refering to is the public statement of TFP that they want to get the rights for the console port and continue it's development (as far as I remember). Please read the original statement to find out exactly what TFP said though, I'm just rephrasing from memory and don't want to misrepresent their statement.

 

So it is a reasonable expectation that they will make a bid at the auction. It is also reasonable that they can't guarantee to be the highest bidder, but it follows there should be at least one bidder, i.e. TFP themselves.

 

As long as TFP can't guarantee their success in aquiring the rights I would consider it a really really bad idea to advertise merchandise on the console side ! That would be a recipe for a ♥♥♥♥ storm, don't you think?

 

Yes, I would agree it could be a crap storm. Of course if TFP do purchase back the rights, how do you think they will re-coup their money? It isn’t like you can sell more copies to console users. Those that wanted it bought it, so the revenue for your ROI of buying the rights back would be minimal to nothing. I will admit I don’t know the ins and outs of selling publishing rights to a game that TFP own. I would also consider buying a t-shirt if I thought that it would help get that last update with those really cool features that TTG said would be in the update. It is also possible that the update won’t work and TTG and IG found out the hard way, but no one wants to just tell the truth about it.

 

I agree this is a pickle and all I am asking for is honest information. I asked Sylen where this information posted came from. Once they get the rights back and finish up the update that “was getting close to completing”. Come April 14th or so as I forgot the exact date in the legal document posted earlier we should know who is buying what from TTG. My fear is that is when we will hear the update isn’t going to happen. Just like my post back in June or so of last year asking about the update and any info on it, because I was pretty sure by the lack of communication that the update wasn’t going to happen.

 

While I won’t be thrilled if it doesn’t happen, I am a big boy and understand sometimes things just don’t go the way we want them to. I would just like to know where we stand. I know TFP said in some way the would support console, but I also understand a business needs to make money and the console might be where it is because of limitations beyond their control. I also understand there is a legal aspect of it. That said most legal stuff is public record, so it might not be a lack of communication from a legal point.

 

I hope that makes sense, and you understand my point of view.

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A new game come to consoles...

 

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REALLY!?

 

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That was released on consoles a month before the shutdown. How exactly is it relevant to this thread?

 

I mean really the only relation is that Telltale released the port before the shutdown.

It was released on console as a finished game, while the PC version is still in Alpha development.

 

I'm sure the people who bought that game are in the same boat we are.

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Please stop with the "Finished Product" quote, no matter how many times you say it, it just isn't true. Finished product would mean the game works as intended, and that has never been true. The constant crashes, md5 errors, inability to connect errors, and on and on are prima facia proof this game was not finished on console. Also, no matter how you say it, you cannot market a product as finished based on an unfinished model, the logic just doesn't hold.

 

The game may have been "Sold as finished" but definitely was not finished. Telltale may be the prime player in the mishandling of the console game but Iron Galaxy and yes, TFP hold some liability as well. Own up to your screw up and move on.

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That was released on consoles a month before the shutdown. How exactly is it relevant to this thread?

 

I mean really the only relation is that Telltale released the port before the shutdown.

It was released on console as a finished game, while the PC version is still in Alpha development.

 

I'm sure the people who bought that game are in the same boat we are.

 

I think you misunderstood it. so I understand the game does not end up coming out. I was just surprised to discover that another game had fallen out of favor like 7 Day to die.

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That was released on consoles a month before the shutdown. How exactly is it relevant to this thread?

 

I mean really the only relation is that Telltale released the port before the shutdown.

It was released on console as a finished game, while the PC version is still in Alpha development.

 

I'm sure the people who bought that game are in the same boat we are.

 

Really not sure where you get your info, but this game never was released for console.

 

https://www.trueachievements.com/n34743/stranded-deep-delayed-until-further-notice

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What I'm understanding from this is that TFP has the rights to the IP, however due to them contracting TTG to make source code, in turn they contracted IG to make the source code, is that IG refuses to give the source code to TFP...

 

I'm just hoping if they have to make a new port that people with the TTG disk dont have to buy a new copy or can atleast get a new copy free.

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I'm just hoping if they have to make a new port that people with the TTG disk dont have to buy a new copy or can atleast get a new copy free.

 

Wouldn't mind. Got my Disc for 25 bugs and put (still putting) more than 1000 hours into the game. This game is (for me) the best bargain i ever made for PS4. I would be glad to do this again :).

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Please stop with the "Finished Product" quote, no matter how many times you say it, it just isn't true. Finished product would mean the game works as intended, and that has never been true. The constant crashes, md5 errors, inability to connect errors, and on and on are prima facia proof this game was not finished on console. Also, no matter how you say it, you cannot market a product as finished based on an unfinished model, the logic just doesn't hold.

 

The game may have been "Sold as finished" but definitely was not finished. Telltale may be the prime player in the mishandling of the console game but Iron Galaxy and yes, TFP hold some liability as well. Own up to your screw up and move on.

 

Pimps never said it was finished. Post a link to prove otherwise.

 

This entire thread should just be deleted. Because half the people posting are clueless and don’t understand business arrangements, law, or PRERELEASE GAMES

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Yeah, it was sold as a finished product on xbox, i remember it clearly and boy was it a mess, in runs fine now though and i still return to it regularly because there's nothing else like it on console.

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The CONSOLE version was sold as a finished product. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

"Hi everyone,

 

We wanted to give you an update on how things are progressing with the upgrade to Unity 2017. We are still on track and currently working on ensuring the menus are behaving as they should with the new upgrade. After that we'll be moving onto getting the core single player game working on the new engine having already gotten a first bootable build with functional front-end UI.

 

We're eager to tackle the more persistent bugs in the game once the upgrade is complete, and excited to start to add some of the new features from A15 and A16 including new map locations for you to explore.

 

Thank you all once again for your continuing patience and support. We'll be in touch again soon with more details on the progress of the upgrade and Patch 14.

 

Until then, happy surviving!

The 7DTD Console Team"

 

 

This post is from TTG. Doesn't sound like it was a "finished product". If you could post your link where it says it was a finished product then I stand corrected. IMHO, they were not finished and they appeared to be still working on it, until things went sideways.

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Pimps never said it was finished. Post a link to prove otherwise.

 

This entire thread should just be deleted. Because half the people posting are clueless and don’t understand business arrangements, law, or PRERELEASE GAMES

 

While your argument may hold water on the PC side which is still in Alpha, the console side has always been considered a finished product based on A14. Now that does not mean it hasn't been upgraded to more recent alphas as far as content is concerned, nor has it been treated as finished as they continued to work out the bugs. The problem is, the work on the bugs came to a crawl as everyone applauded the added content. It's been a bit of flash and sleight of hand as they upgrade some stuff and shelf that which they can't handle. Then they closed up, leaving us in the mess we are in now.

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

This post is referring to the update they were working on.

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Ask a moderater. That's all you have to do. I've been told many times very condescendingly that the console version was sold as a finished product. Sylen? Where you at on this one?

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Ask a moderater. That's all you have to do. I've been told many times very condescendingly that the console version was sold as a finished product. Sylen? Where you at on this one?

 

a quote from TFP for this thread.

 

"Like you, we are incredibly frustrated by what has happened. We are pursuing all options to regain our rights, including legal remedies. Despite the damage that Telltale’s actions have inflicted upon our company and upon our console community, we wanted to let you know that The Fun Pimps are supremely committed to our fans and will continue to support 7 Days to Die game on the PC, as well as continuing efforts to aid console players in the future."

 

 

Not sure why they would post this if this game was a finished product. I get polishing up a game by fixing bugs at the end. But if you are talking about adding new (for the console) content then I am going to say it isn't finished. If the game was finished then I don't see why TFP would spend any time/money getting their "rights" back. Let alone make the statment of efforts to aid console players in the future.

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Lol. I read the forums every day man. I've read this and almost every post for the last two years. You still don't know what you're talking about. Link some more old threads... like I said, ask Sylen if it was sold as a finished product. They promised to keep updating, doesn't mean it was sold as a finished product on CONSOLE. I'm done talking about this. You obviously don't read the forums every day or you would know that. It's common knowledge.

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Lol. I read the forums every day man. I've read this and almost every post for the last two years. You still don't know what you're talking about. Link some more old threads... like I said, ask Sylen if it was sold as a finished product. They promised to keep updating, doesn't mean it was sold as a finished product on CONSOLE. I'm done talking about this. You obviously don't read the forums every day or you would know that. It's common knowledge.

It's literally in a Sticky thread even!

 

Why is this sold as a finished product?

TFP is still developing the PC game, but Telltale/IG took a14.7 and worked on porting it to the consoles. It's sold as a finished product of the a14.7 version of the game. What you have, is what was in the PC version at that time. New PC content may or may not be added to the Console version.

 

"Madmole created a video explaining the PC to console porting process and what to expect going forward in regards to current and future PC features making it over to console." ~Roland

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I think what freestyle is trying to say is, regardless of the constant statements of the console being sold as a finished game, it was not a finished game and has been treated as such. A finished game is just that, finished! IF this product had ben sold and left as released with only updates being bug fixes, you might get away with the "Finished Game" statement. I say might because although a finished game may have some minor bugs, this game has major flaws that still exist that loudly declare "NOT FINISHED". Add to that the game has received way too many updates to be considered finished, (not to mention that the most recent update that never happened included a change to a Unity engine that didn't exist when the game was released, so once again..."Not Finished."

 

I can stand on the street corner shouting as loud as I can that the world is flat, but that doesn't make it true! Now, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. The console is not deserving of any future updates except those required to make it a finished game. Unfortunately, those updates, (Fixing the multiplayer, especially on PS4, and fixing the MD5, especially on XBox1) will probably never happen.

 

Of course, if you live in an alternate universe where "Finished Product" has some other meaning, your opinion may differ, but in this universe, finished means finished. A bowl of batter is not a finished cake, and a frame, handlebars, tires, motor and a battery is not a finished mini bike.

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