Telltale Layoffs

[Darkfoxx117]

It was on twitter and Steam before it was here. Where were you?

 

Taking a dump probably....

 

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you guys have a game with a cult following, it's your responsibility now.

 

Pretty sure i made a similar comment to you not so long ago about how you portray yourself in public from time to time.....

[GermanPatriot]

Yes, I really love to hear that in the name of all survivors from Germany. Be sure that we really appreciate your hard work to keep the game alive.

 

I said this already multiple times. If you need a donation to speed up the progress, many of us will be ready to support you.

 

And I have to agree with Skippy. Don't limit the impact of your postings keeping them buried under tons of messages on the forum. Give information out to many people as possible via Twitter 'n' Co.

[Damselx1]

You guys really need to reach out beyond your forums. This is silly. This could be tweeted, published to steam in seconds. I've posted more on twitter taking a dump then you guys do in 6 months.

 

sorry to be critical, but expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore.

 

you guys have a game with a cult following, it's your responsibility now.

 

What's wrong with using the forum? It's what the forum is designed for and its easy enough to use. In any case, not all of us have (or want) twitter or steam accounts so appreciate getting the news here.

[linewalker]

And I have to agree with Skippy. Don't limit the impact of your postings keeping them buried under tons of messages on the forum. Give information out to many people as possible via Twitter 'n' Co.

Except that Skippy was completely wrong. They had posted the information elsewhere.

 

 

Pretty sure i made a similar comment to you not so long ago about how you portray yourself in public from time to time.....

Skippy's recent posts show exactly that he doesn't actually do any research or fact-checking before making a post. He's been proven to be completely incorrect on a few occasions recently.

 

You would think that someone who would want to uphold a better reputation would actually check that what they are saying is true before blasting complete lies.

 

As near as I can tell, Skippy is just being a douche for the sake of being a douche.

[Space4Ace]

Except that Skippy was completely wrong. They had posted the information elsewhere.

 

 

 

Skippy's recent posts show exactly that he doesn't actually do any research or fact-checking before making a post. He's been proven to be completely incorrect on a few occasions recently.

 

You would think that someone who would want to uphold a better reputation would actually check that what they are saying is true before blasting complete lies.

 

As near as I can tell, Skippy is just being a douche for the sake of being a douche.

 

Sadly, Skippy is the person who seems the most upset about the long wait for A17, and the recent Telltale news... As if everything just crumbled in front of him... Dude! There's more to life then just 7 Days to Die... But still, one hell of a game!

[RuttedLightning]

Sadly, Skippy is the person who seems the most upset about the long wait for A17, and the recent Telltale news... As if everything just crumbled in front of him... Dude! There's more to life then just 7 Days to Die... But still, one hell of a game!

 

He needs to be upset. His content is mediocre at best, and needs this kind of attention to attract views

[Luckystrike2778]

Thank you for the update Richard. Sorry. Patience has been a struggling virtue in me for a bit. Im trying. Glad to see console wont be forgotten and helluva game

[MJS101104]

What's wrong with using the forum? It's what the forum is designed for and its easy enough to use. In any case, not all of us have (or want) twitter or steam accounts so appreciate getting the news here.

 

Have to agree with Damselx1 on this one, not everyone uses Twitter or Steam. Something I can attest to myself, since I no longer use either one. I deactivated my Twitter a few months ago, made the mistake of activating it again today, and within 5 minutes deactivated it again. It's a cesspit of morons and emotionally unstable twits, which seems to be the new norm for most social media platforms these days. I don't use Facebook either, for pretty much the same reason, so these forums are the only place I have for getting the information I want about a game I enjoy playing immensely.

 

It's good to know that the console port isn't being abandoned entirely to obscurity, though I'll wager there are only a couple more years tops before that does eventually happen anyway when the next gen consoles come out. But that's another subject. I just hope the last update we were promised makes it's way to the consoles sometime in the near future. Consoles do have a shelf life compared to the PC games, since we can't count on games being backwards compatible with new console releases. But again, that's another subject all together.

 

Anyway, thanks for the update. Much appreciated.

[EasyPeasyLemonSqueezy]

Well, looks like Stranded Deep has been delayed on console's until a new publisher picks it up again. It was to be expected but still... bummer! Ah well, may 7 Days To Die continue to reign being the most BADASS survival game on console's to date.

 

- Thanks for the reassurance, Rick! You the man.

[nickt2]

I use Twitter, Steam and Facebook mostly for read only purposes following relevant topics ( :smile-new:7DTD:smile-new:)to keep informed. You don't really need to interact much with these medium as it can be a bit much with the general quality of comments. They all have a place in moderation and I just ignore the haters.

 

Stranded Deep would be good on console , however I haven't played it for a while on PC. For me it was missing a hostile enemy element and not just survival.

[GermanPatriot]

What's wrong with using the forum? It's what the forum is designed for and its easy enough to use. In any case, not all of us have (or want) twitter or steam accounts so appreciate getting the news here.

 

There is nothing wrong with it and nobody says not to use it. It is only about to let as much people as possible know that console updates still will be developed to keep up the support by the community. That's the point - economics.

[Damselx1]

There is nothing wrong with it and nobody says not to use it. It is only about to let as much people as possible know that console updates still will be developed to keep up the support by the community. That's the point - economics.

 

I think you've misunderstood my meaning. I have no problem with news being posted everywhere; I'm well aware that others use twitter and steam and a host of other social media and I think spreading the news far and wide is a good thing. I just disagreed with what skippy said about "expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore" as I feel the forum is serving its purpose and suits those of us who don't have/want a twitter or steam account. That'a all.

[Outlaw_187]

I'm a fan of skippy, watch his videos all the time. Hell it was him, kage848, & meatwagons videos who taught me the ins & outs of 7 days to die. Watched countless hours of their videos before the console version released.

 

Skippy just seems aggravated lately. Im sure its due to the A17e delay & whatever else is going on with the guy.

 

We are all just frustrated. All this unknown & waiting downright sucks!!

[SylenThunder]

I'm a fan of skippy, watch his videos all the time. Hell it was him, kage848, & meatwagons videos who taught me the ins & outs of 7 days to die. Watched countless hours of their videos before the console version released.

 

Skippy just seems aggravated lately. Im sure its due to the A17e delay & whatever else is going on with the guy.

 

We are all just frustrated. All this unknown & waiting downright sucks!!

Yeah, but not fact-checking and posting outright lies as a result is pretty bad form.

[GermanPatriot]

I think you've misunderstood my meaning. I have no problem with news being posted everywhere; I'm well aware that others use twitter and steam and a host of other social media and I think spreading the news far and wide is a good thing. I just disagreed with what skippy said about "expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore" as I feel the forum is serving its purpose and suits those of us who don't have/want a twitter or steam account. That'a all.

 

I agree with you too but as soon as the TTG-thing must have been expectable for TTG and IG they must have changed their way of spreading information and communicating.

If they tought everyone about the situation earlier it maybe could have been prevented by asking the community for help.

Digging a trench for hiding in it was not the solution I think.

[Clare]

According to most reports, staff only knew 30 mins before they had to leave the building. While purely speculative in TTGs case, in a lot of other companies is boards that make this kind of decision, not management.

 

It's highly likely IGS and TFP didn't know until after the staff did with the rest of us.

 

Also from various articles and reports it is clear that this is not something a community could have saved.

 

TFP did exactly what anyone in this situation should have done. They made a statement when they had enough facts to do so. I can only imagine they were maybe waiting to see if TTG Publishing was going to be spared or not.

 

Again, all speculative, we'll likely never know what clauses are in contracts or what legal hoops need to be jumped now.

[Damselx1]

I agree with you too but as soon as the TTG-thing must have been expectable for TTG and IG they must have changed their way of spreading information and communicating.

If they tought everyone about the situation earlier it maybe could have been prevented by asking the community for help.

Digging a trench for hiding in it was not the solution I think.

 

Again, my comment was about a specific thing - namely the notification that the console will definitely continue to be supported and Skippy's rather negative (and incorrect) response about where the news was posted. I wasn't commenting on how the news broke about TTG laying off staff and I'm not going to speculate about that situation.

 

Clare has commented about the communication of the layoffs; I think she gives us a good explanation.

[Luckystrike2778]

Well at least The Walking Dead final season will be finished. Gimple said he couldnt stand to lose Rick and Clem in the same season. So we will get to see the rest of Clems story after all

[jackleroy]

You guys really need to reach out beyond your forums. This is silly. This could be tweeted, published to steam in seconds. I've posted more on twitter taking a dump then you guys do in 6 months.

 

sorry to be critical, but expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore.

 

you guys have a game with a cult following, it's your responsibility now.

 

Skippy, I love you, man, but please eat a Snickers. I understand that part of your livelihood relies on this game continuing but you're posting conjecture as fact and that's not good. You have a huge following. You taught me how to play the game. The whole community is on edge and you're one of its leaders. It's your responsibity now.

[Relentless2323]

its nice to know that you and your team haven't forgotten about us console gamer's. we are really looking forward to all the epic update's.

[GermanPatriot]

Again, my comment was about a specific thing - namely the notification that the console will definitely continue to be supported and Skippy's rather negative (and incorrect) response about where the news was posted. I wasn't commenting on how the news broke about TTG laying off staff and I'm not going to speculate about that situation.

 

Clare has commented about the communication of the layoffs; I think she gives us a good explanation.

 

It was not about Skippy or the TTG story. I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general. Sometimes there might be a point in waiting for facts and safe information but as soon as the whole company gets in financial trouble they have to communicate with their customers - especially when having different games in early access. The customers confidence is the only ship on the stormy sea.

[irjvik]

...I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general...

 

You're 100% right, alas it's a common occurrence among normal persons.

People have a *bad* habit to panic too easily (and early), no matter if on real life or on virtual world.

 

The "behavioural specialist" exists as a job speciality, it's for a good reason.

Please remember the former "Fear Uncertainty Doubt" 1970s campaign by IBM vs Control Data as a well-known example.

 

Even game developers have to deal with panicked customers.

As console players/users, the best we can do is to try to calm down panicked players while waiting for evidences.

[Damselx1]

It was not about Skippy or the TTG story. I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general. Sometimes there might be a point in waiting for facts and safe information but as soon as the whole company gets in financial trouble they have to communicate with their customers - especially when having different games in early access. The customers confidence is the only ship on the stormy sea.

 

No - YOUR comment is about criticising the way the developers communicate. As I've already explained, MY comment was specifically about TFP news that console is still being supported and to address Skippy's comment on the use of the forum. I don't understand why you don't get that. I have explained this twice and won't do so again.

 

Feel free to criticise the devs all you want but please don't use my comments about a different matter to keep furthering your argument; I want no part of that. I don't have a problem with the way they are communicating news; they'll tell us what they can, when they can and I'm fine with that.

 

I hope you find the answers you are looking for, but our conversation ends here.

[GermanPatriot]

No - YOUR comment is about criticising the way the developers communicate. As I've already explained, MY comment was specifically about TFP news that console is still being supported and to address Skippy's comment on the use of the forum. I don't understand why you don't get that. I have explained this twice and won't do so again.

 

Feel free to criticise the devs all you want but please don't use my comments about a different matter to keep furthering your argument; I want no part of that. I don't have a problem with the way they are communicating news; they'll tell us what they can, when they can and I'm fine with that.

 

I hope you find the answers you are looking for, but our conversation ends here.

 

Obviously we are talking about completely different things. I could have posted my words on the steam forum or anywhere else and no meaning had ever changed at all. But as you say: This conversation is out of gas.

 

Regarding the situation I can only hope TFP communicate with the customers if they need more ressources to hire more employees to get this neverending story to an end. Some of the guys here still do not get the point that all this additional content has been given to us freely. Remember that the game was a full release in summer 2016.

 

Now that we all know that TFP will take care about the rest without knowing to do so one day, we should come together with the idea that they might need some donations to bring back balance into the project now that they have to deal with PS4/XB1 additionally. Many of the devs are not experienced in developing for consoles or porting contents to platforms with tight hardware limits.

 

Some dudes might not like that idea but many of us got the game for a cheap price far away from the ordinary 60$ and spent more time playing it than with GTA, Battlefield or other games.

 

Beyond this they have to manage the fact that the pc players don't want to wait any longer than 18 months for Alpha 17 and many among them already got pissed off due to waiting without an end.

Developing for consoles along takes much ressources they don't have for finishing the game on PC and the more pc players decide not to support the leading platform the more instable the whole project becomes.

[GermanPatriot]

You're 100% right, alas it's a common occurrence among normal persons.

People have a *bad* habit to panic too easily (and early), no matter if on real life or on virtual world.

 

The "behavioural specialist" exists as a job speciality, it's for a good reason.

Please remember the former "Fear Uncertainty Doubt" 1970s campaign by IBM vs Control Data as a well-known example.

 

Even game developers have to deal with panicked customers.

As console players/users, the best we can do is to try to calm down panicked players while waiting for evidences.

 

Yes, I agree with you. Keeping calm and providing support is the only way to keep the engine running. I am pretty sure TFP are not happy to care about three platforms now at the same time. Nevertheless they want to share the pc experience with us.