Telltale Layoffs

[irjvik]

Everyone really needs to stop jumping to conclusions.

 

100% agree.

We have bought the game anyways, so waiting a few days/weeks/months more is no problem.

We are and will stay 7DTD players and customers.

 

But such a news brings fear and uncertainty in minds, so such reactions are not unexpected.

[crunchyfrog555]

It's Kool keep playin it like you got the inside scoop

 

You have made a terrible assumption there. You seem to think this is opinion im discussing. It isnt. It is EMPIRICAL, objective fact. Im sorry if you dont understand the difference, but its basically this - you get your own opinion, but you dont get your own reality.

 

What I mean is that the point about them intending to support the game as long as they are able to is RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD.

 

If youre saying you have some evidence that is incorrect, then you must provide evidence as per your burden of proof.

 

So, please, if this is wrong, have at it. But you dont get to say its wrong and just walk away without any proof.

 

So please, keep it civil and on point

[crazywildfire]

You have made a terrible assumption there. You seem to think this is opinion im discussing. It isnt. It is EMPIRICAL, objective fact. Im sorry if you dont understand the difference, but its basically this - you get your own opinion, but you dont get your own reality.

 

What I mean is that the point about them intending to support the game as long as they are able to is RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD.

 

If youre saying you have some evidence that is incorrect, then you must provide evidence as per your burden of proof.

 

So, please, if this is wrong, have at it. But you dont get to say its wrong and just walk away without any proof.

 

So please, keep it civil and on point

 

Not going to say you are wrong but some of it is speculation. We have no clue how the contract was written so we have no clue if it will be bid off or what is going on at this point. At this point of time until an actual staff member let's us know all anyone is doing is speculating. So that doesn't mean someone is wrong but also doesn't make them right either.

[Unequaled]

This is a Test for the TFP ppl,on how badly they want their product and Future products on Console.Because Reputation on console is everything it doesn't matter if your publishing are the IP Owner of a game,once the word is out your a gaming company that cannot be trusted in any aspect good luck making money(Bungie,EA)you may have a solid base that's all you'll have. Bottom line all I want is what everyone wants is the updated content "yes" more importantly for 7dtd to succeed on console.

[O-BEAST]

I just really want an update for ps4. I hope it comes soon but I still love the game anyway.

[crazywildfire]

This is a Test for the TFP ppl,on how badly they want their product and Future products on Console.Because Reputation on console is everything it doesn't matter if your publishing are the IP Owner of a game,once the word is out your a gaming company that cannot be trusted in any aspect good luck making money(Bungie,EA)you may have a solid base that's all you'll have. Bottom line all I want is what everyone wants is the updated content "yes" more importantly for 7dtd to succeed on console.

 

Over 2 million steam copies sold would say console isn't everything. I think everyone is forgetting the fact that it still hasn't even been a week and everyone is wanting answers right now ok maybe not everyone but most. It is almost like oh it is this way or that way because nothing has been said yet. They are not going to have the answers some are looking for right smack away. Just isn't going to happen regardless how you feel about it. 5 or 6 days counting a weekend in that time isn't that much time to get things in order for something like this. At least they did come on and say what they said at the start of this thread. As of now that is all they have for us. Give them time to get things in order no body owes anyone here nothing at all. So be grateful they want to continue to update all platforms as much as they can.

[Unequaled]

Over 2 million steam copies sold would say console isn't everything. I think everyone is forgetting the fact that it still hasn't even been a week and everyone is wanting answers right now ok maybe not everyone but most. It is almost like oh it is this way or that way because nothing has been said yet. They are not going to have the answers some are looking for right smack away. Just isn't going to happen regardless how you feel about it. 5 or 6 days counting a weekend in that time isn't that much time to get things in order for something like this. At least they did come on and say what they said at the start of this thread. As of now that is all they have for us. Give them time to get things in order no body owes anyone here nothing at all. So be grateful they want to continue to update all platforms as much as they can.

 

Did I sound are act like I was ungrateful? Are just showed concern for a game like,did I give out timelines for this and that? No, I didn't so you can take your condescending additude and shove it up your rear. Because you're not the only one that can show concern for this game. Man, I deal with Inmates for a living you don't intimidate me in the slightest. I've been viewing the 7dtd fourm for a year so,so I know all about you cuz.

[Unequaled]

Only two million copy's the fault falls on Telltale Publishing not given 7dtd the push needed,if your basing off Triple A Company numbers that isn't far to the TFP.People on console didn't really know of 7dtd,until content creaters like Skippy being on PS4 came along.By that time the word was out about game breaking bugs(MD5 ERROR)mainly, so that hurt sells coincide with slow updates. With 1,300 posts would've thought the basic information about console problems would be known to you. Than again ppl also watch Kage,Kickz,GameEdge,Max,should I go on? Nevertheless they watch'em on PC instead buying 7dtd on console they go PC instead. Do you need any more logical proof or facts?

[crazywildfire]

Did I sound are act like I was ungrateful? Are just showed concern for a game like,did I give out timelines for this and that? No, I didn't so you can take your condescending additude and shove it up your rear. Because you're not the only one that can show concern for this game. Man, I deal with Inmates for a living you don't intimidate me in the slightest. I've been viewing the 7dtd fourm for a year so,so I know all about you cuz.

 

Did I say you? I do think you should calm down dude. I quoted you yes but doesn't mean the whole message was toward that post. So you jump to conclusions without asking telling me off. So I will just put a stop to it here before it gets out of hands and a mod gets involved. Have a good days sir

[crazywildfire]

Only two million copy's the fault falls on Telltale Publishing not given 7dtd the push needed,if your basing off Triple A Company numbers that isn't far to the TFP.People on console didn't really know of 7dtd,until content creaters like Skippy being on PS4 came along.By that time the word was out about game breaking bugs(MD5 ERROR)mainly, so that hurt sells coincide with slow updates.

 

I said 2 million steam copies that is PC not console. I don't have the numbers for console. But TT has nothing to do with the sales on PC besides yeah maybe a few console players has PC as well and found out through console first but it isn't near the majority of those sales. I was just pointing out as far as the game itself goes console isn't everything. The game would not die if console version dies. Just sayin

[Unequaled]

"TFP are Awesome" TELLTALE Management can go________________.Fill in the blank Space.

[Unequaled]

This is a Test for the TFP ppl,on how badly they want their product and Future products on Console.Because Reputation on console is everything it doesn't matter if your publishing are the IP Owner of a game,once the word is out your a gaming company that cannot be trusted in any aspect good luck making money(Bungie,EA)you may have a solid base that's all you'll have. Bottom line all I want is what everyone wants is the updated content "yes" more importantly for 7dtd to succeed on console.

 

PC will never die off to be totally clear. Read tha first sentence:If everything works in the TFP Favor and getting publishing back,do they just work with Iron Galaxy directly,find a new Publisher are put console 7dtd on the shelf until PC goes Gold 2019. Are the language in the contract Doesn't release TFP from it will they fight for console(Like PC) are let the contract expire then port content over. These are logical path ways for at least one will come to pass which one who knows. This is how I see it happening,either way hard choices will have to be made. I always look at negatives First to get to a positive solution.

[Muggs]

Why you picked my post for your speculation bull#### I don't know. You are wrong TT has their hands in all kind of stuff. If you read in an earlier post I said they are bringing Stranded Deep to the consoles soon. Thats another survival/crafting game. Take your blabbering elsewhere and badger someone else. I'm talking to Oggblah,blah,22.

[Luckystrike2778]

It's depressing we haven't seen at least a "im ok" post from Clare. She has been our mother hen so to speak and I'm more worried about her than a yes or no to console dying or not. I hope she is well.

[crunchyfrog555]

Not going to say you are wrong but some of it is speculation. We have no clue how the contract was written so we have no clue if it will be bid off or what is going on at this point. At this point of time until an actual staff member let's us know all anyone is doing is speculating. So that doesn't mean someone is wrong but also doesn't make them right either.

 

Then you have either misunderstood or have moved the goal posts.

 

I CLEARLY stated to take the words which they have said at face value, nothing more. No speculation.

 

To reiterate - they said they are working on console for as long as they can support it. I made it abundantly clear that any such ideas beyond that were speculation. In fact my original post was to address the fact that someone had stated there were TWO possible outcomes. I stated that was not the case, and there were myriad possibilities.

 

So please stop misrepresenting what I said. It helps nobody here to muddy the waters.

 

So, to reiterate - they have said that they wish to support the console versions, each for as long as they are able. And as we know of nothing within the contracts, we can assume nothing meaningful further.

 

Thats it.

[crazywildfire]

So other words you wish for all to show you proof of something but you can go on about how they will bid this and do this or that with no proof? Gotcha have a good one.

[davethebakerx2]

im sure they kept enough people to fulfill there current obligations in order for something of value to be sold at the bankruptcy auction.

[crazywildfire]

It's depressing we haven't seen at least a "im ok" post from Clare. She has been our mother hen so to speak and I'm more worried about her than a yes or no to console dying or not. I hope she is well.

 

Yeah, I hope she is doing ok. It would be nice to hear something from her even if it has nothing what so ever to do with TT, IG or 7dtd. But I imagine it be hard to do that because once she did she get filled with questions that she might not even know the answers to.

[Fox]

Yeah, I hope she is doing ok. It would be nice to hear something from her even if it has nothing what so ever to do with TT, IG or 7dtd. But I imagine it be hard to do that because once she did she get filled with questions that she might not even know the answers to.

That's exactly the reason I think is why she's lurking but not posting.

[Luckystrike2778]

Yea. Hope u r well Clare if u read this

[crunchyfrog555]

So other words you wish for all to show you proof of something but you can go on about how they will bid this and do this or that with no proof? Gotcha have a good one.

 

Now youre just being silly, or just dont understand at all.

 

Heres some basic universal logic. The default position.

This is when a proposition is made and another person chooses to disbelieve their claim. It does NOT mean they automatically take the opposite position. It just means "you havent met your burden of proof in providing evidence to support your claim, so I cant make ANY decision".

 

All i did was address YOUR claim about speculation and that people were lying, by pointing out that the devs themselves have stated at the top of this very thread that consoles will be supported as long as they are able. There is ZERO reason to not believe this claim, as they have no record of flat out lying to customers.

 

So, I made NO claim about anything. I merely addressed YOURS that we are making stuff up.

 

But, as per your burden of proof, you can demonstrate evidence to the contrary and ill happily consider it. This is how reality works.

 

So, please, if you dont understand something ive said, dont be shy and ASK. I will happily explain, but please do not keep strawmanning me, nor the devs, or others.

 

You clearly misunderstood my previous point when i spoke of how bankruptcies and insolvencies work (responding to the "there are only two options available" claim). I was IN NO WAY saying thats what will happen here. I was offering what CAN happen.

 

In otherwords,the person claiming there were only two options on the table was making an argument from incredulity fallacy, and i offered that info to show other POSSIBILITIES. I even clearly cautioned SEVERAL TIMES not to assume nor speculate unduly. Yet you somehow think i seem to be saying the opposite.

 

I hope that clears it up.

[Snippy390]

I'm just curious why they would claim to be upgrading there engine and say this big update was coming when this was all happening this is not something that just happened over night somewhere in the chain they new this was coming so to lead people on is a little disconsering I'm a long time 7dtd player got it as soon as I could for xbox I play every day I'm worried that they are going cut there loses and put all focus on pc this is just my opinion and I am not arguing any ones previous statements

Good day to all

[SylenThunder]

I'm just curious why they would claim to be upgrading there engine and say this big update was coming when this was all happening this is not something that just happened over night somewhere in the chain they new this was coming so to lead people on is a little disconsering I'm a long time 7dtd player got it as soon as I could for xbox I play every day I'm worried that they are going cut there loses and put all focus on pc this is just my opinion and I am not arguing any ones previous statements

Good day to all

Telltale wasn't developing the game. Iron Galaxy was.

 

So yeah, Telltale probably knew it was coming, but decided not to tell anyone. Including the developer they had working on stuff.

 

If you read the statement in the first post, you would know that they have no intention of giving up on the console versions.

[Outlaw_187]

I'm just curious why they would claim to be upgrading there engine and say this big update was coming when this was all happening this is not something that just happened over night somewhere in the chain they new this was coming so to lead people on is a little disconsering I'm a long time 7dtd player got it as soon as I could for xbox I play every day I'm worried that they are going cut there loses and put all focus on pc this is just my opinion and I am not arguing any ones previous statements

Good day to all

 

Yeah im sure they (telltale) saw the "writng on the wall" so to speak, at least upper management. Think the 💩💩 just hit the fan sooner than expected.

I personally thought it was odd when they kept toting this walking dead game as "the final season". I figured the series was a pretty big hit, with the shows success & all, plus the game itself was fun with good story. Ive enjoyed them anyway.

 

Hard to say whats gonna happen in the future. Just gotta wait for some official word from someone as to what happens next.

[crunchyfrog555]

Yeah im sure they (telltale) saw the "writng on the wall" so to speak, at least upper management. Think the 💩💩 just hit the fan sooner than expected.

I personally thought it was odd when they kept toting this walking dead game as "the final season". I figured the series was a pretty big hit, with the shows success & all, plus the game itself was fun with good story. Ive enjoyed them anyway.

 

Hard to say whats gonna happen in the future. Just gotta wait for some official word from someone as to what happens next.

 

I dont think theres any reason to suspect the walking dead being in the last season as any sort of indicator. They would have planned for a certain length of seasons based on how long they had the licence. They are limited by that. One should note that they didnt intend this to be the end of the walking dead anyway, just the end of clementines arc.

 

The first game was indeed a big hit, but they have admitted themselves that the sales lessend more and more with each one. Thats precisely why they had this downfall. They oversaturated with very little to no further innovation. People just got tired of them all quickly, and those licences to batman, game of thrones, borderlands, wolf among us et al were expensive. They didnt make their money back on them.

 

They also were only making good income on two games towards the end - minecraft story mode, and 7 days to die.

 

The writing very much was on the wall, sadly. Add that to the reports of the horrible working conditions there and its not surprising.

 

As to whats happening in the future, for TT not very much at all as they are done. They have just announced they have apparently secured funding to complete the walking dead, angering the debtors (especially their staff). Personally, id be surprised at that unless they also pay their development team as nobodys gonna work for bugger all, passion or not. We may hear that change in the coming days; it would not surprise me .It is important to always remember that TT are thankfully only publisher for 7dtd. So while iron galaxy have some things to work through, they have every intention of seeing this through as long as they are able. As far as fun pimps and the pc version, it hasnt affected them at all. Nothing changes there.