Erik Louden Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 because I've never needed them to survive. Will this be different in A17e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torezu Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 How far have you gotten into the game, and on what difficulty are you playing? It's possible to kill a radiated cop with a combination of flaming and steel arrows and traps, but a sniper rifle makes it much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayerGM Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I have killed dozens of cops using only machetes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosterone Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I think guns may be more necessary in A17. I prefer the crossbow with steel bolts, and exploding bolts for the irradiated zombies. On later stage hoard nights the AK47 is good for those that get too close. In A17 I might have to use shotguns early on, don't know but we'll see. All depends on what fataal and Gazz do to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam R. Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Let the [competition] commence, hehe... "I only do horde night running on goldenrod tea and throwing rocks at the Zs! AND I KILL AT LEAST 500 every time!" Anyway, the whole weapons system is likely goin to undergo several more instances of balancing, as soon as they have that mods system figured out and going. ...And don't decide to throw that system out for yet another new system. Agree to some degree that current balance is bull♥♥♥♥ - quick thought on rebalance: Make the silent weapons more about critical, movement disabling hits (dismemberment, stuns) but very low damage and the guns just excel at raw damage output or dps. That would make guns more viable and specifically the first choice for fighting large amounts of Zs during the bloodmoon. Edit By OzHawkeye: for a more family friendly analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzHawkeye Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I do occasionally use guns to be sure, but try to avoid their use as much as possible since the Crossbow will work quite nicely for most run of the mill zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I used to enjoy using a Magnum as my 'kill em quick' option in A13.x, but in A16 I never seem to find any more than a single Magnum part. I haven't actually worked towards using guns in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitnoid Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I find the shotgun and sniper to be the only viable guns in the game. Magnum is fun to play around with but not very useful in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzalicious Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 the Magnum was fun to use in 14 but in 15/16 I could hardly find them so I just went shotgun/crossbow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 @ the OP, show a vid of your most horrid horde nights, with just your melee weapons without getting overpowered and running away would be good to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Louden Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 Its been a while since I've played vanilla since I've moved on to much harder mods like True Survival and Darkness Falls but when I did play vanilla I played on insane and just the xbow, I think I usually quit around day 35 out of boredom. Also when I played vanilla I modded the game so I leveled 4x slower than normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullpoker Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 You limited your game stage to 1/4 of what it should have been and got bored because the game was too easy... Sounds legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syncrinity Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Playing around with guns is really important in PvP so it becomes essential to work towards them. The line of progression in the PvP servers eventually reaches the "I should probably find more suitable housing than this hole" and that requires weapons. I don't think you even need guns in PVE if you have a crossbow and decent defenses set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrakicking Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 To be honest, I think you'll be just fine in A17 without guns if you've played that way for 4K hours. It'll definitely be more challenging, but I think you'll manage. Now, when bandits come around... yeah. You're probably gonna want some heavy, gunpowder based weaponry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidobunny Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I use ammo on horde nights but if I'm just exploring I almost exclusively use a sledgehammer Guns for PvP obviously, usually shotgun with slugs or AK (sometimes a rocket launcher) for close/medium range combat, sniper for long-range combat. Mines and dynamite can make great PvP tools as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullpoker Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Also when I played vanilla I modded the game so I leveled 4x slower than normally. gameStage = playerLevel + playerLevel * (daysSurvived * daysAliveDifficultyBonus + gameDifficultyMultiplier ) so for example 20 + 20(35*0.1+1.5) = 125 5 + 5(35*0.1+1.5) = 30 Meaning he wasn't making the game harder by leveling slower, he was making it easier. If he goes into a vanilla game without gimping his gameStage, he's probably going to see a major difference in day 35 hordes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenGT Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Am I the only one who loves the plain ol' 9mm Beretta? 9mm is the cheapest ammo to make and still gives you decent power beyond your arm's reach. Bows are fun and all, but for serious work, you can't beat a firearm. If the zompocalypse was to happen today, I'd much rather use any of my firearms over something that puts me at more immediate risk by letting a Z get close enough (without a special reason why such as being stealthy, etc.)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warmer Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 I have never use guns EXCEPT to kill vultures. The blunderbuss is great for that. Typically the only gun I bother with. They cause to much attention, so I stick to crossbows mostly. You can kill a radiated cop in a single head shot when hidden with a nicely leveled up crossbow. In my opinion head shots should be far more powerful than they are currently. IRL practically anyone swinging a baseball bat with a halfway decent form can kill a human with a well placed head shot in a single blow. Zombies should be even easier with that squishy skull of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 because I've never needed them to survive. You're right. I've gone to day 100 a couple times without touching a single gun. Machete and Crossbow along with a well built kill box for Horde nights and you're set. That's single player though. PvP if you don't use guns you'll die a lot..... a lot more than normal. [Which we all do.] ~Lucky Working-Castle-Tribute-to-A16-Plus-bonus-tips-video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyris Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 I pretty much use 2 weapons: crossbow, or sniper. Crossbow for most things, Sniper for cops/radiated and ferals. The shotgun in 7dtd sucks, the one with the long barrel has way to big of a spread. Wasn't there a vid Madmole did of A17 where he shot the shotgun at near point blank and because its spread is so large he didn't land a single pellet on the zombie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticPrism Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 The only gun I bother with is the Sniper Rifle due to the sheer efficiency of it. The other guns are too expensive to use because I'm not interested in spending all of my gameplay time collecting brass, lead, coal and nitrate powder to make ammo. If you're at the point where you can mass produce ammo and use guns as a primary weapon the game is already over. Unless you're trying to fight off late game 7 day hordes you'll probably find little need for guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 The only gun I bother with is the Sniper Rifle due to the sheer efficiency of it. The other guns are too expensive to use because I'm not interested in spending all of my gameplay time collecting brass, lead, coal and nitrate powder to make ammo. If you're at the point where you can mass produce ammo and use guns as a primary weapon the game is already over. Unless you're trying to fight off late game 7 day hordes you'll probably find little need for guns. Some of that I agree with. I've only ever switched to using the AK in a modded game where zombies are harder. [And traders sell more resources.] ~Lucky Working-Castle-Tribute-to-A16-Plus-bonus-tips-video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oragepoilu Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I melee pretty much everything (7d horde included), crossbow some stuff in building eventually (if I want to avoid therisk of having some loot destroyed) so kinda the same here :3 I used to have a sniper rifle but at some point since I can do it I switch to a AK : I can reduce my DPI on my mouse so it's easy to aim with, it have a fast fire rate and hight ammo count and also one shot in the head (depend of your skill/difficulty of course, but it's the case on most modded server i'v played). It's faster to reckt a wandering horde this way. Or a scout and his horde. It's useless to kill at long range after all, you miss the corpse and it's not a threat. The main reason I don't use that much the guns is that when Z run they are moving their head way too fast to be aimed at correctly, so it cost too much to kill them this way. Meanwhile if you run you will never get hit, so enjoy the melee free of charge as long as you have some stam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimpy Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I keep a sawed-off shotgun on my toolbelt so I can blast the zombies away if I get stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art1336 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I'm with the people that point out that if you don't make the game super easy by cutting your GS in a quarter, you will find that the game becomes much more difficult. You still don't need guns, not currently. Like people have said, you can drop spikes and melee them, you can use explosive ammo, you can do whatever. Now, when your gamestage is not at a fourth of what it should be, on day two thousand or so when you have waves of glowing cops running at you and your shotgun turrets are out of ammo, I think you will find those guns are a necessity. Who am I kidding, on day two hundred or so it becomes impossible to do a horde night without guns unless you hide underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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