Best Horde Night Defense

[KingSlayerGM]

By "slabs" you mean plates or half blocks?

 

I used half blocks.

 

In my experiments with plates, it rarely happened that some zombie were able to jump up (when they were standing on dead bodies first)

[sadpickle]

So I managed to build one of these out of concrete for the day 7 horde in a fresh game; 90 minute days, second-hardest setting. When building the platform, it is wise to add wooden frame supports underneath while it dries. More than once a side collapsed because of uneven drying.

 

It worked really well, though there was one instance where a zed got pushed up the platform by something and almost took me out. Otherwise the main challenge was repairing while fighting. The platform is ablative, so there's really no danger to losing blocks. In the end I gained 8 levels with almost no personal risk.

 

In summary, this is probably one of the best horde defense strategies, if not the best. Will have to see how steel holds up against cops and ferals, if I get that far.

[Vomkat]

And I do not see this as AI exploitation, it is simply zombies can not jump two squares.

it is simply AI exploitation, looks like we need a patch to let the zombies jump up and finish you off

[KingSlayerGM]

it is simply AI exploitation, looks like we need a patch to let the zombies jump up and finish you off

 

Well, usually zombies in movie are depicted as brainless creatures. They do not move like humans and sometimes they prefer to smash stuff rather than to circle it, or climb over it. So yeah, zombies that do not jump are not necessarily bad AI...

[ColdSteelRain]

Well, usually zombies in movie are depicted as brainless creatures. They do not move like humans and sometimes they prefer to smash stuff rather than to circle it, or climb over it. So yeah, zombies that do not jump are not necessarily bad AI...

 

I agree, KingSlayerGM. We're fighting zombies, not Aliens or Predators. If the game is working as intended, and I think this is, then it isn't an exploit to use your enemy's weaknesses against them.

[Kage848]

Hi guys,

I would like to share with you what I consider to be the best horde night defense system.

I survived 100 days with this in a dead is dead game.

 

PROS:

• easy to build
  
• cheap
  
• gives 100% of experience to the player
  
• works with any material
  
• easy to maintain
  
• no need for bullets
  

 

CONS:

• you actively need to defend during horde night
  
• crawlers and dogs get stuck under the structure, but you can fix this with spikes
  

 

Any material is OK, but I suggest cobblestone for week 1, concrete week 2, steel week 3...

 

Here it is:

 

• build this structure
  
• use a melee weapon of your choice
  
• keep smashing their skulls as they come, don't let them break your blocks
  
• keep repairing as blocks are damaged
  
• keep looting
  

 

The top layer is made of slabs, so you can easily JUMP UP and down, but zombies can't reach you.

 

What do you think?

Anybody has anything better?

 

KingSlayerGM

 

This looks awesome. Totally gonna use it. One question though. Why leave the underneath open for crawlers and dogs? Seems the great part is the zeds cant jump up. Could you just have blocks the whole was and simply put half blocks on top?

[KingSlayerGM]

This looks awesome. Totally gonna use it. One question though. Why leave the underneath open for crawlers and dogs? Seems the great part is the zeds cant jump up. Could you just have blocks the whole was and simply put half blocks on top?

 

Hey what's up Kage!

Zombies could destroy a half block, then jump on the block, that is below the one just destroyed, and reach you.

 

However filling everything would probably work anyway, because once you've reached steel they break nothing, cause you kill them faster.

 

So yes, good idea! (maybe avoid it for week 1 or 2 when you have flagstone)

[Kage848]

Hey what's up Kage!

Zombies could destroy a half block, then jump on the block, that is below the one just destroyed, and reach you.

 

However filling everything would probably work anyway, because once you've reached steel they break nothing, cause you kill them faster.

 

So yes, good idea! (maybe avoid it for week 1 or 2 when you have flagstone)

 

I tried the full blocks all the way under to the outside in a creative world and the zombies were getting up. Not sure how, seemed like a glitch.

 

I also was wondering, can I have permission to use you pics here for a thumbnail on my next UL video where I make this?

[KingSlayerGM]

I tried the full blocks all the way under to the outside in a creative world and the zombies were getting up. Not sure how, seemed like a glitch.

 

I also was wondering, can I have permission to use you pics here for a thumbnail on my next UL video where I make this?

 

With empty underneath they never got up once in 100 days (:

 

Sure man, I would be honored (;

[Kosmic Kerman]

This looks awesome. Totally gonna use it. One question though. Why leave the underneath open for crawlers and dogs? Seems the great part is the zeds cant jump up. Could you just have blocks the whole was and simply put half blocks on top?

 

I’ve tried this on a day 7 horde and it worked well. I would put some wood spikes around the center column. The zombies are likely to break some of the half blocks. Also, when you build it on terrain you can have some leveling issues with one side being higher then the other. So I would either create a solid block floor, use wood frames to level the entire area first, or build it on a road.

[andrewcu]

Hi guys,

I would like to share with you what I consider to be the best horde night defense system.

I survived 100 days with this in a dead is dead game.

 

PROS:

• easy to build
  
• cheap
  
• gives 100% of experience to the player
  
• works with any material
  
• easy to maintain
  
• no need for bullets
  

 

CONS:

• you actively need to defend during horde night
  
• crawlers and dogs get stuck under the structure, but you can fix this with spikes
  

 

Any material is OK, but I suggest cobblestone for week 1, concrete week 2, steel week 3...

 

Here it is:

 

• build this structure
  
• use a melee weapon of your choice
  
• keep smashing their skulls as they come, don't let them break your blocks
  
• keep repairing as blocks are damaged
  
• keep looting
  

 

The top layer is made of slabs, so you can easily JUMP UP and down, but zombies can't reach you.

 

What do you think?

Anybody has anything better?

 

KingSlayerGM

 

Aw man, i seen this too late i think..... i just recently started a new game after taking a break for a few weeks when i lost my entire game save. I am on day 7 now and just finished fortifying the police station to bunk in for horde night..... i still have a few hours before the horde though, so maybe i can still give this a try. the experience would be nice! I watch a lot of Kage848 videos, so i think its awesome hes going to feature this on one of his videos too!

[sadpickle]

After using this platform for 3 horde days, I still haven't died once. So it's a very solid defense. It does have a major weakness though, and that is the damn dogs pushing other zeds up. On day 21 this happened about a dozen times. It can be mitigated somewhat by running around on the platform, dragging them underneath (where there are spikes to kill them). But since defense is performed on the edge of the platform, there's a large risk associated with actively defending if there are any dogs in the horde.

 

This has nothing to do with terrain height. I have a 2-block buffer of flat concrete at ground level around the platform, so there's no minor hills or other things for the zeds to climb up. They can also, somewhat paradoxically climb on top of each other if they remove some platform and lose their legs to spikes. They're easier to deal with when incapped like this, of course. The biggest risk is a sprinting zed on the platform stun-locking the player.

[KingSlayerGM]

After using this platform for 3 horde days, I still haven't died once. So it's a very solid defense. It does have a major weakness though, and that is the damn dogs pushing other zeds up. On day 21 this happened about a dozen times. It can be mitigated somewhat by running around on the platform, dragging them underneath (where there are spikes to kill them). But since defense is performed on the edge of the platform, there's a large risk associated with actively defending if there are any dogs in the horde.

 

This has nothing to do with terrain height. I have a 2-block buffer of flat concrete at ground level around the platform, so there's no minor hills or other things for the zeds to climb up. They can also, somewhat paradoxically climb on top of each other if they remove some platform and lose their legs to spikes. They're easier to deal with when incapped like this, of course. The biggest risk is a sprinting zed on the platform stun-locking the player.

 

My spikes are like in point A, not B, and NO zombie has ever managed to get on the platform.

Also destroying quickly gore blocks (point C) may help.

[andrewcu]

when i initially read this i thought the top layer was half blocks, but they are slabs. do the zombies not climb even though theyre only slabs and not half blocks? kinda scares me still....

[sadpickle]

My spikes are like in point A, not B, and NO zombie has ever managed to get on the platform.

Also destroying quickly gore blocks (point C) may help.

 

I've got it set up correctly. It's odd you've never experienced this issue. Perhaps I am too slow at killing the zombies. I'm soloing with "16 Alive" at one time, and the horde night is "uncapped" via a method Guppycur revealed in some thread I can't find right now. It's very difficult to clear the gore blocks while defending.

[KingSlayerGM]

when i initially read this i thought the top layer was half blocks, but they are slabs. do the zombies not climb even though theyre only slabs and not half blocks? kinda scares me still....

They are actually 1/2 blocks, sorry my bad. In Minecraft we call them slabs

I've got it set up correctly. It's odd you've never experienced this issue. Perhaps I am too slow at killing the zombies. I'm soloing with "16 Alive" at one time, and the horde night is "uncapped" via a method Guppycur revealed in some thread I can't find right now. It's very difficult to clear the gore blocks while defending.

Maybe you have more zombies than me I'm playing at default settings

[sadpickle]

Maybe you have more zombies than me I'm playing at default settings

Yeah, that is probably the case. I'll try to take some pics next horde so you can see what it looks like.

 

Nonetheless, it's a very good defense. Even at day 28 with several irradiated cops, irradiated feral wights and fat/military zeds, the platform held up very well. 2 of the cops exploded and it wasn't a huge problem.

[Buggi]

I doubt this would work in my multiplayer world. Playing with 5-8 people at once with the War of the Walkers mod means 40-64 zombies at once coming in.

 

They actually destroyed a stainless steel protected cage with all of us shooting at them.

 

And that was a day 42 horde.

[andrewcu]

They are actually 1/2 blocks, sorry my bad. In Minecraft we call them slabs

 

So this really wont work until you can make concrete then.... the only half blocks are wood and concrete. the wood half blocks arent upgradable for some reason. Im on console btw ha, so there may be cobblestone half blocks on PC that i dont know about . just trying to steal some PC ideas lol

[Kosmic Kerman]

Yup. Flagstone and cobblestone have half blocks on PC.

[ColdSteelRain]

Tried this using flagstone plates, and the zeds were only able to hit the blocks from below, so hardly any damage at all. The spiders and dogs will crawl underneath, so the inverted spikes are really handy.

[Lanstrifer]

Can we get some screenshots in game of it's effectiveness?

[alexaner78]

great work! that looks super cool!

[ColdSteelRain]

Can we get some screenshots in game of it's effectiveness?

 

There really isn't much to see in a screen shot. For the early hordes, there's no damage to the base, and the bodies are easy to loot and clean up between waves, so by the time the BM is done, there's hardly any time spent in repair or cleanup.

[andrewcu]

So i havent actually been able to test on a horde night yet, but i used cobble stone slabs since i am on console instead of half blocks. If it works to defend against the horde night i am actually going to turn it into a main base as well as a horde base. I already added a second floor platform, i just want to make sure it can defend against the horde before investing any more resources into it