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Nope, I just analysed the video so that I would help development. I honestly figured I would help TFP if I point out the problems in individual zombies. And I didn't feel like going back to every timestamp I posted to see whether they involved the same zombie..

 

"9. Oh, now A17 is getting close to Beta? Make. Up. Your. Mind." What kind of help were you offering them here? Lol.

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Realistic

 

Ehh, my hope they use HP bar only for testing like Roland said.

 

And still immersion breaking when I shoot eight shots and load two in shotgun , hope they fix that someday..

 

Yes, that would be more realistic actually, but is that what you look for in a game like 7 Days To Die? Personally I am happy when I recharge quickly during a shooting. I do not consider this to be something to correct, I think it's a choice in the developement.

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"9. Oh, now A17 is getting close to Beta? Make. Up. Your. Mind." What kind of help were you offering them here? Lol.

 

What he said, A17 is going to BE LIKE beta, not that it's getting close to beta. Meaning, we're getting closer to the beta build but not quite there yet.

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Cut him some slack guys, he's not called the Beloved Curmudgeon of the forums for nothing after all.

 

I think DaVega's posts are important to read. I didn't agree with several points of his post which I stated but I wouldn't want him to go anywhere that I couldn't keep my eye on him... ;)

 

Guys be welcoming of a diversity of opinion instead of feeling threatened by it and lashing out. You can debate and outline where you think someone is wrong without making personal attacks.

 

The biome reduction was a surprise to me too and one I have concerns over but I also am waiting to see if the developers can still create plenty of diversity in the terrain with what is left. Really, the plains biome has been bland and boring since cliffs, canyons, and complex cave networks went away. If anything I would like to see the grassland biome become a simple border around every desert biome as it would help the desert transition better into the other biomes.

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I think DaVega's posts are important to read. I didn't agree with several points of his post which I stated but I wouldn't want him to go anywhere that I couldn't keep my eye on him... ;)

 

Guys be welcoming of a diversity of opinion instead of feeling threatened by it and lashing out. You can debate and outline where you think someone is wrong without making personal attacks.

 

The biome reduction was a surprise to me too and one I have concerns over but I also am waiting to see if the developers can still create plenty of diversity in the terrain with what is left. Really, the plains biome has been bland and boring since cliffs, canyons, and complex cave networks went away. If anything I would like to see the grassland biome become a simple border around every desert biome as it would help the desert transition better into the other biomes.

 

No personal attack from me. DaVega's points and opinions are very reasonable, and I find myself agreeing with many of them. He does have a particular way of expressing that opinion in a way that may tick some people off (not me personally), but that's just part of the good ol DaVega we've all known for years, which is what I pointed out.

 

He is our Beloved Curmudgeon. :D

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I think DaVega's posts are important to read. I didn't agree with several points of his post which I stated but I wouldn't want him to go anywhere that I couldn't keep my eye on him... ;)

 

Guys be welcoming of a diversity of opinion instead of feeling threatened by it and lashing out. You can debate and outline where you think someone is wrong without making personal attacks.

 

The biome reduction was a surprise to me too and one I have concerns over but I also am waiting to see if the developers can still create plenty of diversity in the terrain with what is left. Really, the plains biome has been bland and boring since cliffs, canyons, and complex cave networks went away. If anything I would like to see the grassland biome become a simple border around every desert biome as it would help the desert transition better into the other biomes.

 

Hehe thanks mate. You all know I love you guys.. :) It's a love-hate relationship.. Still my most-played game in my Steam library.

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So... Will there be mods to cookie dough?

 

I'm hoping for a Peanut Butter Mod so I can be on my fort eating my favorite cookie watching the zombies...

 

Al: "Hey there! I just painted that!" *Nom Nom* "Off the grass! There's sidewalks for a reason!" *Nom Nom Nom* "OK then."

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No personal attack from me. DaVega's points and opinions are very reasonable, and I find myself agreeing with many of them. He does have a particular way of expressing that opinion in a way that may tick some people off (not me personally), but that's just part of the good ol DaVega we've all known for years, which is what I pointed out.

 

He is our Beloved Curmudgeon. :D

 

Hehe thanks bro. I'll try to behave a bit more mature.. :)

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Yes, that would be more realistic actually, but is that what you look for in a game like 7 Days To Die? Personally I am happy when I recharge quickly during a shooting. I do not consider this to be something to correct, I think it's a choice in the developement.

 

Disagree here. This isn't just about how much it breaks immersion, the power of shotguns in many video games is partly balanced by having long reloads. It doesn't have to be excruciating, they can make the loading of individual shells a bit faster to compensate some. But if you're going about blasting away left and right then you should be punished for it with a long reload.

 

I consider the current reload nothing more than a compromise for easier animation since the game is in alpha, which is totally fine for now. Honestly the sawed-off should have a lower capacity as well for the sake of both realism and balance, instead of dealing less damage.

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I think DaVega's posts are important to read. I didn't agree with several points of his post which I stated but I wouldn't want him to go anywhere that I couldn't keep my eye on him... ;)

 

Guys be welcoming of a diversity of opinion instead of feeling threatened by it and lashing out. You can debate and outline where you think someone is wrong without making personal attacks.

 

The biome reduction was a surprise to me too and one I have concerns over but I also am waiting to see if the developers can still create plenty of diversity in the terrain with what is left. Really, the plains biome has been bland and boring since cliffs, canyons, and complex cave networks went away. If anything I would like to see the grassland biome become a simple border around every desert biome as it would help the desert transition better into the other biomes.

 

I don't mind his disagreements but he continually goes overboard to make them in the most condescending way possible. And if you dare to point out how rude he is being he accuses you of having blinders. It would have been very easy to make the exact same points without the tone he showed. Case in point was the snide comment about Beta yet again. That is not a valid point now, it was not a valid point when people went nuts after MM said it the first time. It had no other point than to be rude and condescending.

 

But, I've derailed the A17 thread enough. I'll be nice.

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I don't mind his disagreements but he continually goes overboard to make them in the most condescending way possible. And if you dare to point out how rude he is being he accuses you of having blinders. It would have been very easy to make the exact same points without the tone he showed. Case in point was the snide comment about Beta yet again. That is not a valid point now, it was not a valid point when people went nuts after MM said it the first time. It had no other point than to be rude and condescending.

 

But, I've derailed the A17 thread enough. I'll be nice.

 

Not everyone needs everything to be happy clouds and unicorns. Brutal honesty is good. If it makes you unhappy you can find a safe space.

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The biome reduction was a surprise to me too and one I have concerns over but I also am waiting to see if the developers can still create plenty of diversity in the terrain with what is left.

 

 

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I miss the old old plains. Is there a way to make this again? Modders? Best base I ever built :D

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Disagree here. This isn't just about how much it breaks immersion, the power of shotguns in many video games is partly balanced by having long reloads. It doesn't have to be excruciating, they can make the loading of individual shells a bit faster to compensate some. But if you're going about blasting away left and right then you should be punished for it with a long reload.

 

I consider the current reload nothing more than a compromise for easier animation since the game is in alpha, which is totally fine for now. Honestly the sawed-off should have a lower capacity as well for the sake of both realism and balance, instead of dealing less damage.

 

 

 

Maybe our Survivor is just a competition level shotgunner? :)

 

That would actually make a really cool perk

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We shouldn't be so selfish. Think of the poor Behemoth who has been floating in nothingness for months. Now he has a maple forest and plains to go ziplining through.

 

Just stop for a moment and think of the Behemoths.

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I don't mind his disagreements but he continually goes overboard to make them in the most condescending way possible. And if you dare to point out how rude he is being he accuses you of having blinders. It would have been very easy to make the exact same points without the tone he showed. Case in point was the snide comment about Beta yet again. That is not a valid point now, it was not a valid point when people went nuts after MM said it the first time. It had no other point than to be rude and condescending.

 

But, I've derailed the A17 thread enough. I'll be nice.

 

Agree to disagree mate. You view it as condencending, I view it as honesty. Being rude is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

From my point of view, I don't really know what to expect from A17/Beta. In a previous video MM stated that A17 equals Beta. I thought this meant that the Beta phase commences once A17 hits the streets. But in the latest video MM said that A17 is getting close to Beta. So that could mean that some more Alpha's will come out before the Beta phase starts. Hence the confusion. It would be very useful I reckon for some people if MM would come with a statement regarding this issue.

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I'm hoping for a Peanut Butter Mod so I can be on my fort eating my favorite cookie watching the zombies...

 

Now you've done it. Prepare for Scorched Earth Shock and Awe cookie preference criticism from Guppycur....

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We shouldn't be so selfish. Think of the poor Behemoth who has been floating in nothingness for months. Now he has a maple forest and plains to go ziplining through.

 

Just stop for a moment and think of the Behemoths.

 

I swear I saw one last horde night, I tried to get a screenshot but my Prtscrn button got stuck...

#SeektheTruth #BehemothLives

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I miss the old old plains. Is there a way to make this again? Modders? Best base I ever built :D

 

now you can paint a pile of wood into a refrigirator. so u gues you can do the opposite. mm talked a lot about shapes a few months ago too. but it seems they are dropped that too for the A17

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Interesting to read the debate about DaVega.

I agree with SnowDog here. (constructive) criticism is important. Even if it is a rant, it can be the begin of a effective Debate.

 

White Knighting is as unpleasant to read as hateful rants in my opinion. There are always things that can and need to be discussed. What the Devs make out of it is another thing, but debates can be teaching and informative, give new ideas or perspectives.

 

Now lets all grab a cup of tea, griev about the loss of the Plains Biome but also be glad about the huge progress on Perishton :)

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We shouldn't be so selfish. Think of the poor Behemoth who has been floating in nothingness for months. Now he has a maple forest and plains to go ziplining through.

 

Just stop for a moment and think of the Behemoths.

 

That "Poor" Behemoth has got my brass! Does he send any back? Nooooo.

 

He could easily pack a few of the jars I send him with spent brass casings and send them back occasionally. :(

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I keep hearing some POIs were redesigned as dungeon style. Does the "70 new level designed POI's" in the first post include those, or are they 70 brand new ones.

 

Basically I want to know if we are gaining 70 POIs but maybe losing 30 others that were redesigned into dungeon style. The more the better...why cant we keep both versions...for variety

 

I got overlooked due to infighting... Roland??

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"Those look lumpy. Is that intended?"

"Madmole dropped a cookie once while eating. Don't you find it weird that since he didn't eat that cookie perfectly he is still making cookies?"

"Those look like they're still raw!!! Why are you going with raw instead of baked?

"I rate this picture a 3 out of 10 because I always assumed it was going to be Snickerdoodles"

"Eating raw cookie dough is bad for you. You could get salmonella."

"I don't see milk in the picture. Your lunch will fail since you aren't going to have milk"

"Girl Scouts are doing their cookie rush soon. These should have been baked a month ago. Now you won't want to eat these with your lunch if you have Thin Mints in the freezer."

"Why are you going with the metal pan format instead of using a stone?"

 

While the cookies do look good especially with the new A17 textures and mods, my primary concern is if a bandit can come and steal one.

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I miss the old old plains. Is there a way to make this again? Modders? Best base I ever built :D

 

I second this. These plains were the best biome design they ever had in Random gen so far. I used to have my base in one of these as well. Good memories.

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I keep hearing some POIs were redesigned as dungeon style. Does the "70 new level designed POI's" in the first post include those, or are they 70 brand new ones.

 

Basically I want to know if we are gaining 70 POIs but maybe losing 30 others that were redesigned into dungeon style. The more the better...why cant we keep both versions...for variety

 

Remember that everything being shown is essentially the designed Navezgane map. They very well may keep every POI ever made whether it be open and gutted or mazelike and cluttered as possible spawns for Random Gen. I doubt any POI's converted to dungeonstyle for the static Navezgane map will also remain in its original form somewhere else in Navezgane.

 

So my answer is that it is not yet known how all these 70 dungeon POI's (which are a mixture of brand new and repurposed) will be worked into Random Gen. Navezgane will be packed full of 'em for sure.

 

#overlookednomore

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Not everyone needs everything to be happy clouds and unicorns. Brutal honesty is good. If it makes you unhappy you can find a safe space.

 

It makes me unhappy because, in my opinion, that kind of condescending rant disguised at feedback is why we get less information from TFP now than past alphas. So, those kind of comments actually affect the rest of us. I don't need a safe space.

 

I enjoyed getting more information and I'm sure most of the forum did too.

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