Doombringer101 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Hi all! Please help - can't find any caves. Is this in the A17? Sorry for bad english The only caves are the poi based ones. The old caves from earlier alphas are not in the game currently, no idea if we will see them come back. I would love to see caves come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_ombie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Those books are a fabulous idea and one that will be greatly received. We need a good reason to loot and this is a giant step towards that. Doombringer101 --- I miss underground caves and caverns to, it was another environment to play in and go looting (which would present a greater danger challenge now, what with the enhanced AI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Not much of anything really. Probably don't need to bother the God of Rocks. God of Dirtclods will do. So...... how about them new books we have coming? Originally Posted by madmole I've already designed nearly 100 perk books. The old perk books will be deleted. The new perk books are not temporary perks, but permanent once you read them. There are collections of books, typically 5 to 8 volumes. Each volume is a unique perk but if you collect the entire set you get a special collector bonus perk that is more OP than the others. Here are a couple sets: Night Stalker Books Night stalker Vol 1 Do 5% more sneak damage at night. Night stalker Vol 2 Sneak 5% better at night. Night stalker Vol 3 Knives do 5% more damage at night. Night stalker Vol 4 Never encumbered at night. Night stalker Vol 5 Bows do 5% more damage at night. Night stalker Vol 6 Gain 5% more xp from sneak kills at night Night Stalker Collection Perk Do an extra 50% sneak damage to sleeping victims at night. Lucky looter Books Lucky looter Vol 1 Find more dukes in loot Lucky looter Vol 2 Find more ammo in loot Lucky looter Vol 3 Find more brass in loot Lucky looter Vol 4 Find more books in loot Lucky looter Vol 5 Find more food in loot Lucky looter Vol 6 Find more medical items in loot Lucky Looter Collector Perk Find more mods in loot In that case, Im hoping that TFP will drop another bookstore POI on the Navezgane map. Really like the sound of the new skill books, much like how the old ones were. It's nice seeing them come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Not much of anything really. Probably don't need to bother the God of Rocks. God of Dirtclods will do. So...... how about them new books we have coming? Just got to see this. Ok now THIS I am sold on. I like the idea of making bookstores important again, and all of these seem like perks you would WANT to seek out. Hopefully these can not be bought and only found, but even still modding. So first news out of 18 and Im not going to lie this excites me. - - - Updated - - - Yep, definitely way better than the magazines, plus this will bring back a lot of the amazing feeling of looting and going "OMG look what I found!" that we lost with recipe books. THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poutre Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 filling the world with lots of different types of books is a very good move. Small question : is experimental b20 going out of experimental quickly or not before quite a bit ? This new settings are so darn good it stopped me from trying mods. I can't play these mods WITHOUT the new settings ! (i know i could mod it the way i want but having those close at hands saves a lot of time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Why aren't there a bunch of books that just provide a temporary bonus to <whatever>? We have the perk books which require you to search through your character sheet to make sure you have the prerequisite skill to get the specific perk bonus, assuming you're not getting a "death bonus" or getting attacked at the time. We have the new perk books which provide a permanent bonus to <whatever> which likely means they're rare and can only be read once. How about a bunch of temporary bonuses from books that are consumed on reading? That would seem a good way to check whether any of the bonuses are overpowered. I know the great Mole like his ramp-it-up / cut-it-back system but there's a lot of middle-ground being leapt over on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoberis Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Any word on when they plan to drop 17.2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Onikom Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Any word on when they plan to drop 17.2? yeah, would be nice to know. we are waiting for it... i looking everyday in the forum about an info... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2gnomes Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Maybe you guys should make a thread about passwords and post there. sharing passwords again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisma501 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 yeah, would be nice to know. we are waiting for it... i looking everyday in the forum about an info... You will know when its released. There are no dates given. Its just Soon™ Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Onikom Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 You will know when its released. There are no dates given. Its just Soon™ Cheers yeah i know... was just hoping to get an answer ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Onikom Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. just try to imagine what you could find instead of books in a bookshelf... paper, old cash, plastic, glass, rocks,... but the chance to get some of those books has to be not so high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCADICT Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. Gazz you are always the life of the party I bet.... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryZombie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 NM I re-read the post on the new books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 <snipped for space> Less awesome books? Something that provides a five minute minor bonus to <whatever>. You'll still get people hoarding them but that's more to do with human nature than balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryZombie Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. I'd keep the perk books just just have it give a temporary bonus. Take away the restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Why aren't there a bunch of books that just provide a temporary bonus to <whatever>? Sounds like you describe magazines and call them books!? Can you explain the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Sounds like you describe magazines and call them books!? Can you explain the difference? Honestly? I'm trying to refrain from referring to them as "magic scrolls". I call them books because, with the exception of comic shops, that's generally what you find on the bookshelf of a bookshop. Magazines generally appear on the shelf of a newsagent. I have a friend who is obsessed with the difference between "a collection of comics" and "a graphic novel". If I got it wrong there were stern looks of disapproval. I solved that by referring to them all as "pictograms" which is a word that can describe either. The best defence against pedantry is often generalization -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Learning from skill books sound much better than: So how did you learn to build that truck from scratch? Well I killed thirty zombies. And how did you figure out make those first aid kits and forge guns? Oh, I killed more zombies. Heck, you even need a skill point just to boil water. Really? Who doesn't know how to boil water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 've already designed nearly 100 perk books. The old perk books will be deleted. The new perk books are not temporary perks, but permanent once you read them. There are collections of books, typically 5 to 8 volumes. Each volume is a unique perk but if you collect the entire set you get a special collector bonus perk that is more OP than the others. Here are a couple sets: Night Stalker Books Night stalker Vol 1 Do 5% more sneak damage at night. Night stalker Vol 2 Sneak 5% better at night. Night stalker Vol 3 Knives do 5% more damage at night. Night stalker Vol 4 Never encumbered at night. Night stalker Vol 5 Bows do 5% more damage at night. Night stalker Vol 6 Gain 5% more xp from sneak kills at night Night Stalker Collection Perk Do an extra 50% sneak damage to sleeping victims at night. Lucky looter Books Lucky looter Vol 1 Find more dukes in loot Lucky looter Vol 2 Find more ammo in loot Lucky looter Vol 3 Find more brass in loot Lucky looter Vol 4 Find more books in loot Lucky looter Vol 5 Find more food in loot Lucky looter Vol 6 Find more medical items in loot Lucky Looter Collector Perk Find more mods in loot Playermood adapted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonestarcanuck Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 so still playing A17.1 and I like the way the XP system is going for mining and gardening. much better then A17. I still think it is tough to be just a person who mines and farms. lets say we use a new feature of turning off Bloodmoon and just be a group of farmers and miners. getting up in levels would be hard. Questing are really nice, although two problems I keep seeing. (1): radiated Ferals in places where when I am only level 10-30, just wrong. (2) loot scaling - the loot does not seem to scale even with 4/5 in Looting and level 50+ and loot goggles I am still finding crap loot. we should be seeing things like T4-T6 items and ammo like AP, and materials like mods and Mil fabrics. most every other game I play has this concept of better reward for harder/complex quest and levels. not sure who makes these decisions but: 1. Loot quality should match level of player + skill/diff of quest/raid/dungeon 2. zombies should match level of player. no radiated ferals for anyone under 30 except maybe in a final boss like loot room. 3. think about the end game, I am level 200-300, I have everything and I can do everything. I build a monster home/base and help friends. NOW WHAT DO I DO TO STAY and play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nice Cup of Tea Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. A bunch of fiction books with punny names. They'd have no in-game use (other than to amuse the player) but could be scrapped for paper or sold to the traders fo a few dukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khzmusik Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The perk magazines were really only something that could be implemented quickly and give us a bunch of filler items for book stores. Now the question is: If all the new books are super awesome, bookstores become the most incredible source of power increases. What would the filler content be? Perk magazines retained? Paper? Having the player walk out of a bookstore with 15 of those new books can not be intended. I'm assuming that the same book can't be re-read? If not then they're going to be very OP. The old schematics weren't re-readable though so I'm guessing the new books will be similar. If that's the case then I don't think you have too much to worry about. There is a "danger" of players becoming OP once they've read a complete volume of books, but in practice this probably won't be a huge concern. War of the Walkers had a similar mechanic with the "class paper" system. There were something like five or six classes. You needed to collect an entire set of three before you could finish a class. In theory this meant that a single player could become all classes. In practice, by the time you found the class paper you needed, you had already collected a whole stack of the class papers that you didn't need. (Sometimes in the double digits.) If the new books work similarly, it's very unlikely a player will read an entire volume of books until they're already leveled up significantly. As for "filler" - my vote would be to retain the magazines and remove the level/attribute requirements on them. If that makes them too OP then you could just reduce the time they're effective. Eventually, when NPCs are fully implemented, you could possibly have a "librarian" NPC trader, and maybe add books that don't give any player benefit but are ultra-valuable to the librarians. "First edition Moby ♥♥♥♥" or some such. EDIT: LOL at the forum censoring the title of a classic work of fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonoid74 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 "Adult" magazines...as one of the filler loot choices in book stores/shelves...under bathroom sinks They do not do anything , but sell for a decent amount of dukes...because porn , is in short supply during the apocalypse! And come on now...I can think of tons of punny names for them...I am sure you guys could come up with some good ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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