Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[ShadeX 0]

please help!

 

I clarify that I do not speak English, and that the game is translated very little to not say anything to Spanish, the skills and the missions act by instinct, but there are things that I no longer understand, and how it changes and changes the skills and way of unlocking things , my question is the following if you can help me please

 

How do I make wrought iron tools? I have already released the forge but I can not make wrought iron tools! please help!

 

Buy this:

 

[Ayrton 10]

Buy this:

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]26681[/ATTACH]

 

 

thank you!

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

forge and hammer, level 2

 

 

thank you!

[ShadeX 0]

 

 

Thanks for the quick reply. Since it is working for you, I went back into the game and tried again.

 

In fact, it turns out the land claim block I placed has somehow become inactive.

 

I have no idea why, it's the one I started with and the only one I have ever placed. To be certain I looked on my map and there is no other LCB active.

 

I'm playing single-player in Nav FWIW.

 

Is this a new bug? A known issue? Or am I missing something, and there could be some other reason it became inactive?

 

 

***************************************

 

(edit added comment by QA Tester-unholyjoe)

 

if you can run a new nav map and record this... then make a bug report in the a17b240 stable report section. there was an issue similar to this but was fixed.. so if you get it again try to catch it on video and do supply an uncut output log.

 

i can only get an inactive lcb if i place another down which is by design.. but you said no more was placed down and you are on sp, so if its back or you did something different we need to know this.

 

thanks

 

***************************************

 

 

@unholyjoe

 

I will try to repeat this as well, as it just happened to me on B240 today. Only one LCB. Gone from map, shows as inactive, and my bed roll was no longer active either (at least on the map). Will file a bug report if I can reproduce or catch it on vid. New save & world on NAV.

 

***************************************

 

(edit added comment by QA Tester-unholyjoe)

 

same with you, if you can, then please place the proper report in the correct thread, not here.

 

thanks

 

***************************************

Edited December 27, 2018 by unholyjoe (see edit history)

[Ayrton 10]

Thanks for the quick reply. Since it is working for you, I went back into the game and tried again.

 

In fact, it turns out the land claim block I placed has somehow become inactive.

 

I have no idea why, it's the one I started with and the only one I have ever placed. To be certain I looked on my map and there is no other LCB active.

 

I'm playing single-player in Nav FWIW.

 

Is this a new bug? A known issue? Or am I missing something, and there could be some other reason it became inactive?

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Coincidentally the same mistake, when entering the forum I saw this publication and I went to try to remove my forge that I was able to release minutes ago, but I could not remove it either, so I saw that my complaint block did not mark on the map like my bed!

[stasis78 16]

My suggestion to the developers (after a helping of ketchup) is to simply add a sixth attribute:

 

Entitlement

 

Tier 1-2: Gain 10 additional skill points

Tier 3-4: Gain 15 additional skill points

Tier 5-7: Gain 20 additional skill points

Tier 8-9: Gain 25 additional skill points

Tier 10: Gain 40 additional skill points

 

Entitlement Perks

 

I Want It Now!

Tier 1: 100% of zombies drop loot upon death

Tier 2: Zombie loot increased to 400%

 

I Hate Hard Choices!

Tier 1: All Perks are reduced to one tier in which all benefits of the previous tiers are attained.

 

Stop Forcing Me!

Tier 1: Passive xp gains are increased by 200%

Tier 2: Crafting xp gains increase over time instead of diminish over time.

Tier 3: Zombies return to spinning in circles below the player, can’t dig, and only do 10% normal damage to blocks.

 

/joking around unprofessionally since 1969

 

I lolled

[stasis78 16]

That's actually something I LOVE about this game. It is so simple to be able to change things to fit my playstyle. Yeah, you have to mess with XMLs, and very few know how to, but there are tutorials, on their website, telling you how to do it, and plenty of people that will help out. You can take this game, change it to how you want. There are very very VERY few games that allow that, you buy the game, it doesn't suit you, well too bad, you wasted money. With this game, if there are things you don't like, you can change it to how you do like it, and there, no wasted money or time. It's something that I feel 80% of the people that buy this on steam never know about. Shoot, I never did until I decided to get on here to look up when A17 was going to come out about a year ago and saw the mods section. And that was because i didn't like a few aspects of A16.4, but was just enough to frustrate me. Saw the mods, and boom, kept me playing instead of forgetting about the game.

 

Mods and the community of folks helping is what keeps me around for sure. Sure you can mod about any game, but the fan base here is awesome (in the mods community)

[stasis78 16]

As a dev team, do you guys feel that the current system is what players want? How's it going, numbers wise? Sincere question; I'm personally ambivalent because I just mod it how I want to, but wanted your take on it.

 

Id like to know this ^^

 

But posting it will only give trolls more things to troll about.

[Ayrton 10]

My suggestion to the developers (after a helping of ketchup) is to simply add a sixth attribute:

 

Entitlement

 

Tier 1-2: Gain 10 additional skill points

Tier 3-4: Gain 15 additional skill points

Tier 5-7: Gain 20 additional skill points

Tier 8-9: Gain 25 additional skill points

Tier 10: Gain 40 additional skill points

 

Entitlement Perks

 

I Want It Now!

Tier 1: 100% of zombies drop loot upon death

Tier 2: Zombie loot increased to 400%

 

I Hate Hard Choices!

Tier 1: All Perks are reduced to one tier in which all benefits of the previous tiers are attained.

 

Stop Forcing Me!

Tier 1: Passive xp gains are increased by 200%

Tier 2: Crafting xp gains increase over time instead of diminish over time.

Tier 3: Zombies return to spinning in circles below the player, can’t dig, and only do 10% normal damage to blocks.

 

/joking around unprofessionally since 1969

 

With all due respect Roland, I would like to present my idea or the management to take into account the skill system, so that one can be free of his way, as it was in the A16 is a mixture of both

 

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNpToaJtgJbimbA70Np-kHKCDCCjaX7IWyNcpg0

[Gazz 692]

With all due respect Roland, I would like to present my idea or the management to take into account the skill system, so that one can be free of his way, as it was in the A16 is a mixture of both

A16 was not a mixture.

It was all about grinding up certain skills.

 

The skill points rarely were an issue.

 

Frequently I was mining with a stone axe or claw hammer just to grind up some construction skill to progress. Those were not good times.

[Jugginator 280]

@Trolland, omg lmao I laughed verily.

 

I suggest adding a couple of Tiers to I want it now and Stop forcing me:

 

Tier 3: Zombies drop a minimal of 10 bones upon death; unlocks Tier 4 for free

Tier 4: All rock nodes are fully gathered in 2 swings from a stone axe; increases resources gained by 9001%

Tier 5: All activities instantly refill food and water levels; chaining activities gives stacks of stamina regen. Each stack refills stamina 25% at a time for 60 seconds to a max of 900 stacks.

 

Stop Forcing Me:

Tier 4: Unlocks all perks in all trees

Tier 5: Zombies only attack your base when you choose to allow them to.

Tier 6: A horde of Zombie Engineers comes after each blood moon, apologizing profusely for damaging player base, repairs player's base for free.

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

Frequently I was mining with a stone axe or claw hammer just to grind up some construction skill to progress. Those were not good times.

 

That's the main reason why all of my friends on steam quit playing, and me uninstalling the game.

[FileMachete 165]

A16 was not a mixture.

It was all about grinding up certain skills.

 

The skill points rarely were an issue.

 

Frequently I was mining with a stone axe or claw hammer just to grind up some construction skill to progress. Those were not good times.

 

Agree w that, and recall doing the same. Yet, and I'm not 'picking' on anything/one, wasn't that at least partially a balance thing? Like all the looting required?

 

I've not weighed in on the "Perk System", and I'm not intending to by the following;

 

We're curious creatures, we take things apart to see how they work, we get better at physical & mental tasks by doing them, or examining how others have attempted them.

 

And pretty much everyone I know gets a kick out of 'discovering' something on their own compared to someone else just giving them the answer.

 

To us old-school types it's the difference between an allowance, and going out and cutting the neighbors grass to earn the money to buy that thing you really want.

 

There's an element of that in a 'learn by doing' progression that isn't really there with a perk system.

[Laz Man 1,326]

Noob question:

 

When recently cleaning the "Bear Den Bar" POI, I noticed there were these glass chemistry sets littered throughout, even in hidden compartments. What the hell are those for? Hitting them with a stone axe or a wrench just smashed them to pieces.

[khzmusik 62]

Tier 6: A horde of Zombie Engineers comes after each blood moon, apologizing profusely for damaging player base, repairs player's base for free.

 

Then are so incompetent that they wreck the base anyway.

 

The perk is called "The Gang Gets Extreme: Zombie Makeover Edition"

[Poutre 0]

Noob question:

 

When recently cleaning the "Bear Den Bar" POI, I noticed there were these glass chemistry sets littered throughout, even in hidden compartments. What the hell are those for? Hitting them with a stone axe or a wrench just smashed them to pieces.

 

I second this question. looks like an unfinished lootable stuff. Not just decorative.

[Roland 2,878]

 

To us old-school types it's the difference between an allowance, and going out and cutting the neighbors grass to earn the money to buy that thing you really want.

 

There's an element of that in a 'learn by doing' progression that isn't really there with a perk system.

 

Huh...I think what you describe more accurately represents the perk system rather than learn by doing.

 

Cut grass. Earn currency. Shop for desirables.

 

Play game. Earn skill points. Shop for perks.

[wildaxeman1 3]

 

 

 

 

@unholyjoe

 

I will try to repeat this as well, as it just happened to me on B240 today. Only one LCB. Gone from map, shows as inactive, and my bed roll was no longer active either (at least on the map). Will file a bug report if I can reproduce or catch it on vid. New save & world on NAV.

 

***************************************

 

(edit added comment by QA Tester-unholyjoe)

 

same with you, if you can, then please place the proper report in the correct thread, not here.

 

thanks

 

***************************************

 

when you started game, did you set it single player only? if not and you have not logged in some time, lcb can turn inactive

[Guppycur 965]

Before I go try and reproduce, anyone have an issue where they can't shift-click into a container, only manually move stuff, but when you exit said container it disappears and you lose what you put in?

[Laz Man 1,326]

Before I go try and reproduce, anyone have an issue where they can't shift-click into a container, only manually move stuff, but when you exit said container it disappears and you lose what you put in?

 

Cant say that I have. However, occasionally I have had issues with swapping items out of my belt (i.e. wooden frames). The workaround I use is dropping the belt item using the drop key (G).

[Guppycur 965]

Cant say that I have. However, occasionally I have had issues with swapping items out of my belt (i.e. wooden frames). The workaround I use is dropping the belt item using the drop key (G).

 

Yeh that one I've had too, and enough times I figure someone else already reported it. =)

[Gazz 692]

To us old-school types it's the difference between an allowance, and going out and cutting the neighbors grass to earn the money to buy that thing you really want.

 

There's an element of that in a 'learn by doing' progression that isn't really there with a perk system.

Now I'm confused.

You want the "allowance type" reward which in A16 meant being inactive, sitting on your butt and crafting 5000 stone shovels or running a macro to fire an inventory full of crossbow bolts overnight?

 

I'm not at all against picking up perks or traits while playing the game but the A16 design for it was soul-destroying. That can not happen again.

(besides, Cookie Clicker already has that particular market cornered)

[CplCritter 4]

Is it possible to import a base into a new map?

 

I saw Hated's video on how to export and save builds and I was able to successfully do so, but cannot figure out how to import that base to a new location in the same map or in a different map. Can anyone help?

 

I'm still using my original map from the first experimental build (Navezgane) and it is having some issues... Yeah yeah, I've been reluctant to do a fresh wipe and say goodbye to my progress, but with POIs being absent of sleepers and corn as a vending machine giving free food but not being destroyed, I think a fresh wipe is in order. I absolutely love the base I've built. It took FOREVER and would hate to have to try and duplicate the effort if I don't have to.

 

Any ideas?

[Jugginator 280]

Before I go try and reproduce, anyone have an issue where they can't shift-click into a container, only manually move stuff, but when you exit said container it disappears and you lose what you put in?

 

I just experienced this. I had my chainsaw on my toolbar, and for reasons I am not sure yet I tried to shift click it from my toolbar to my chest and it didn't move. Then I couldnt take it off of my toolbar period. Couldnt put anything it its slot, either. Not sure if restartting helps, for I got busy. It didn't vanish after leaving container, but I still couldn't remove it from my toolbar.

[Laz Man 1,326]

Yeh that one I've had too, and enough times I figure someone else already reported it. =)

 

That's the same reason I havent reported it either lol...

[khzmusik 62]

when you started game, did you set it single player only? if not and you have not logged in some time, lcb can turn inactive

 

This wasn't directed at me, but since ShadeX and I seem to have the same issue, I'll reply to this too.

 

I do not play MP at all, so I have always set up my games to be single-player.

 

However - you might still be on to something. With A17, there is less distinction between SP and MP. SP also sets up a server, it's just private - the idea, I guess, is that you would be able to turn a SP game into a MP game just by inviting people.

 

If it's true that MP games deactivate LCBs after some timer, then that might in fact be the issue, I hadn't noticed the problem until after I had taken a break from the game for several days.

 

And, to me at least, what you're describing doesn't make sense in MP either, so it might be a bug as well.

 

@UnholyJoe - does this sound plausible to you? Or, at least, plausible enough to turn this into a bug report, even if I can't hunt down the logs for the time when it happened? (I did look through all the logs since updating to the latest build, and nothing jumped out at me.)

[FileMachete 165]

Huh...I think what you describe more accurately represents the perk system rather than learn by doing.

 

Cut grass. Earn currency. Shop for desirables.

 

Play game. Earn skill points. Shop for perks.

 

heh true, not a great example of learn by doing. It was my poorly worded attempt to trigger the idea that the things we 'earn' for ourselves are usually more valued than those simply 'given' to us.

 

And yes, at the core of it there aren't any 'freebies' in the perk system, we're all still 'earning' every point we recieve, however we might choose to spend them, they were earned.

 

Could be argued that simply finding a magic book & shazzam, now you can make a Minibike, is fairly silly, yet it follows the general idea of 'learning' that we're all used to; have a goal, make an effort, "study/read-a-book", learn how.

 

Going to the gym to get stronger, eating healthier to feel better & have more energy, training for a 10km fun run by, well, running.

 

Even though it's pixels on a screen those are easy to equate to and, likely, feel more 'right' or 'natural'.

 

However, those are the easy ones. While I might like a system where we could wrench multiple cars and gradually learned how they worked, resulting in unlocking how to fix up a wreck to a drivable state, others may not, or the time required to put in is too high.

 

So, maybe, to me, a mix of both would feel better. So what?, it's TFPs game & they clearly didn't like the old system.

 

I'll concede that in the end it's all silly, and very, very subjective, which is mainly why I've stayed away from this whole area.