Jugginator Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hardly useless. I'd use one any time an enemy is weak and I have stamina to spare. Say I sneak attack with a bow, then put a few more arrows into a the target and it feels weak, then power attack. Or as I do with my first 5 skills points, put one in Stay Down!, then hit enemies with club until they drop and power attack to the head for 40% more damage and 60% it gets knocked back down. You can usually get 2 power attacks in before it is standing again. An enemy is considered stunned until it is fully standing. Put a point in Skull Crusher and get even more stunned power attack to the head damage. Yeah, I went with a melee build in a new build run and I am loving it. Power attack doesn't need to be spammed, it does quite a bit of work. I cant wait to try out the "whirlwind" effect heavy metal has later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard69 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The only ones are see are extra damage against stunned enemies. So it's very limited use. And not a fact that it's any better than 2 regular attacks. And still doesn't help with mining tools. Last Experimental version the whole game was pretty much spam RMB, felt very weird. This system is so much better. Switch "very limited" with "situational" and your sentence would be more correct and take on a different tone. Also I dont think it is supposed to be better for mining from what I understand. You are suppose to mine with LMB now afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khzmusik Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Got to put in some hours tonight on the new build, and I'm liking it so far. I am very glad that the repair speed on the stone axe has been raised again. I'm also not sure why folks are complaining so much about the stamina nerf with power attacks. I never used them in melee except as finishing blows anyway. I would have a problem with it regarding mining, but now that Miner 69er isn't limited to power attacks any more, I don't see that as a problem. I will say that I am still looking forward to graphical performance optimizations. To get a consistently decent framerate I dropped my resolution to 1600x900, which is not ideal, especially on a 30" monitor. Having said that, I haven't had any stuttering issues so far, I guess that was improved with the A* GC optimizations (if I understand the patch notes). Overall a good job, and I can definitely see this reaching stable within a few more builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielspoa Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 glad to see more people agreeing on the power attack change I would like to ask about the RWG, if there are any info you can share on it's improvements. What are the priorities? The missing PoIs, the larger maps, the biome distribution, etc? Or are improvements to different areas planned to be released at once? Aiming for stable a17? ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schatun Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Great job pimps! I have a little suggestion about the melee perks: Sry for my english What about change the increased stun dmg to the normal attacks (as the last point - 5/5 maybe). The normal attack stun imho is quite difficult to land at the zombies or it takes too many hits to stun them, they will kill me before The area bleed effect at knives too...but not 60% then, maybe 30%. Or give all effects of the power attack perks to all melee attacks with low chance and let the power attack have just high dmg and higher chance to apply these effects. At the moment the power attacks feel like finishing moves to get the last 20% of hitpoints out of them. Is it possible to do the check if an attack hits or miss the target when you click the button - in the beginning of the swing? Ok, this could cause problems if targeting blocks, but... just an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Is it possible to do the check if an attack hits or miss the target when you click the button - in the beginning of the swing? Ok, this could cause problems if targeting blocks, but... just an idea If the game does this check at the beginning of the swing, how can it know if you will actually hit the target at the end of the swing? You could be too far away or facing a completely different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_ombie Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Is it better to play this game In a window or a lower resolution ? *************************************** (edit added comment by QA Tester-unholyjoe) that is up to the individual. you play whichever is best suited for you and comfortable. if it makes your game faster or smoother then its where you want to be and not doing what others do... enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Is it better to play this game In a window or a lower resolution ? I'm playing in a reduced resolution to keep it playable (~16 fps). Performance is very, very much reduced compared with A16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Anyone try always Nightmare? It's been a little disappointing, I was hoping some would be faster than player, it seems it's the old Always run setting. Day11, GS 65, insane always nightmare, no deaths yet. Going to try to get higher GS it might up the ante a bit. But honestly with the zombies easier to take down, less wandering hordes? It's feeling a lot easier than before. Not a big fan of game stage especially on higher settings. Ppl play on higher settings for more challenge so the GS should be maxed out right from the start, irradiated cops, hordes of wolves, etc from day1. To put everything on hardest and game starts off easy, plus a new nightmare setting (where the zombies are slower than a16) seems kind of a paradox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitamin Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hardly useless. I'd use one any time an enemy is weak and I have stamina to spare. If you saying it works as intended then I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FileMachete Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 06:00 on day 7 of new game. The starting game Stamina 'balance?' for the Stone Shovel is -great-. Not so much for the Stone Axe. Tried tweaking the Damage/SwingsPerMin/Stamina but couldn't find the same sweet spot the shovel landed on. Takes 27 swings to mine a 500hp Stone node. T2 Stone Axes' Durability is 96. Lots of repairing. ? up Durability for early stone tools some, please? 'Cost' doesn't matter, it's just a stone, right... Food consumption seems -really- high now when doing a lot of resource gathering. Bug or not? No xp from upgrading Flag to Cobble. Sell prices: scrapping a T1 Pistol yields 3 Mech Parts, each sell for as much as the Pistol. Noticed T2 firearms sell for 8x (or so?) as T1s. To me a more rational lowest price would factor in Sell price of a Repair Kit plus a few dukes; for a repaired item of course. -- oh, haven't checked yet this build but firearms couldn't be smelted in b221 === just my opinion on very early game atm === Feels a bit bi-polar . There's the weather/temp grace period yet also... gawd, Stamina -sucketh!- honestly couldn't take it by night 5 and tweaked Stone Axe's "StaminaLoss" to 10 (orig 15) & "BlockDamage" to 24 (orig 19) {not recommending these, it's op'd and perma swing} On default (but 90m days) z's & wolves are too easy in first week. Got blindsided by a 3 wolf pack day 4 out on open ground and didn't die. While I desperately needed the food, threat/progression wise I think a single wolf should at minimum be a tough fight, and the way I was caught; digging, so maybe half Stamina?, no armor, think they all tore off a chunk before I could switch to club.. well, that would have been a fair death. I know, balancing is ongoing, just sharing my thoughts. Do like the smaller wandering hordes I've seen in the first week. (Edit: I'm assuming numbers will ramp up, so good to warm up on) Xp from mining. hmm. Don't want to see it back like A16 but as is, even at lvl 10 & with my op'd stone axe, 6-7 in-game hours, basically non-stop, didn't earn a lvl. Which is fine. And if there's supposed to be Upgrade xp then might be good. Should mention that I've spent clear majority of time harvesting & building, yet would guess that roughly 3/5ths ~ 2/3ds of xp is from z's. Took a Retrieve (buried box) quest. Sent me to the wasteland. Maybe a bit much? Not sure. Going through burnt forest was actually the painful part; hit 3 seperate times by vultures. Anyway, enough already right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The deep cuts one adds bleeding chance and dismemberment chance to power attack, off with the top of his head. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard69 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 So I built a little mining tunnel at bedrock. I go down there some nights to gather mats. Every time (even when I am mining far away from my entrance) When I slowly climb the latter to get to the surface, there is Feral, or Zombie Bear or some other special waiting there for me right by the hatch. lol Nice one devs, at first I nearly ♥♥♥♥ myself because I popped my head out to see the zombie bear charging towards me (ran off the aggro and slowly pistoled him to death) Good times. Stamina useage improvements for mining is very nice. 2/5 sex rex, 2/5 miner69, 2/5 mother load and its comfortable to mine efficiently with good yields using normal attack. (iron tools with 2 mods and im 5 shotting stone and can mine quite awhile without stopping) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_ombie Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm playing in a reduced resolution to keep it playable (~16 fps). Performance is very, very much reduced compared with A16. 16fps even playable ????? Omg I become a nervous tick when the game falls under 30fps. (Which it does at every exciting moment i.e. POI areas). It's come to the point I have to make it look like 8bit game and gimp the settings enough to manipulate the laws of sub playability. I beg to wonder that at this stage of development at A17 if there was a way to speed up the game mechanics it would have already been done by now. Which worries me that the game will suffer in the long run if we can not maintain at least 30fps throughout under stress without having to resort in making the game into a wire frame version of pong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 <snipped for space> There's still plenty of optimizations that can be done to the core mechanics, worry not. That being said... who's bright idea was it to add pbr textures to a game that already has frame-rate issues? They're not doing anyone any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard69 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I notice hunger drains like crazy when mining/gathering. I guess that is so that Slow Metabolism will have a purpose now and there is a reason to go above 1/5 Master Chef before lvl100. And the vending machine companies obviously want a piece of our pie, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 16fps even playable ????? Omg I become a nervous tick when the game falls under 30fps. (Which it does at every exciting moment i.e. POI areas). It's come to the point I have to make it look like 8bit game and gimp the settings enough to manipulate the laws of sub playability. I beg to wonder that at this stage of development at A17 if there was a way to speed up the game mechanics it would have already been done by now. Which worries me that the game will suffer in the long run if we can not maintain at least 30fps throughout under stress without having to resort in making the game into a wire frame version of pong. Yeah tell me about it. A16 I was able to play with 30-40 fps on my usual resolution and settings. Now I have to drastically reduce the resolution and lower some of the settings to stay above 15 fps. So yeah.. Performance on A17e is pretty poor for many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrmisfit Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah tell me about it. A16 I was able to play with 30-40 fps on my usual resolution and settings. Now I have to drastically reduce the resolution and lower some of the settings to stay above 15 fps. So yeah.. Performance on A17e is pretty poor for many people. which is odd since one of the reasons stated for a17 taking so long was for performance gains of new unity build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAjedi Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah tell me about it. A16 I was able to play with 30-40 fps on my usual resolution and settings. Now I have to drastically reduce the resolution and lower some of the settings to stay above 15 fps. So yeah.. Performance on A17e is pretty poor for many people. What the hell are you playing on? I'm getting 40-50fps at 2560x1440 with max textures and most stuff maxed except tree LOD, water and shadows. I do get hitching/stuttering though. At 1920x1080 I can max everything except trees and locked at 59fps. GTX 1070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 which is odd since one of the reasons stated for a17 taking so long was for performance gains of new unity build Yeah... They used new mechanics/texture streaming, and probably counteracted the positive gains. Probably went very negative with their gains. - - - Updated - - - What the hell are you playing on? I'm getting 40-50fps at 2560x1440 with max textures and most stuff maxed except tree LOD, water and shadows. I do get hitching/stuttering though. At 1920x1080 I can max everything except trees and locked at 59fps. GTX 1070 GT 840M. Which could play A16.4 very well. I think TFP need to increase their minimum hardware requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poutre Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah... They used new mechanics/texture streaming, and probably counteracted the positive gains. Probably went very negative with their gains. - - - Updated - - - GT 840M. Which could play A16.4 very well. I think TFP need to increase their minimum hardware requirements. Yes they should do this. Reports indicates that lower-end Specs are having a really hard-time, while recents ones have very good performance. Until the middle of the year, i had a very old computer and it was a miracle if i could play this game at all. I put it aside until this year when i got a 1070 GTX and a whole new computer. Now i'm having no issues at all. If they keep improving this game, lower-ends will be forced to upgrade and it's normal. This type of game is obviously very hungry when it comes to specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildaxeman1 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 So I built a little mining tunnel at bedrock. I go down there some nights to gather mats. Every time (even when I am mining far away from my entrance) When I slowly climb the latter to get to the surface, there is Feral, or Zombie Bear or some other special waiting there for me right by the hatch. lol Nice one devs, at first I nearly ♥♥♥♥ myself because I popped my head out to see the zombie bear charging towards me (ran off the aggro and slowly pistoled him to death) Good times. Stamina useage improvements for mining is very nice. 2/5 sex rex, 2/5 miner69, 2/5 mother load and its comfortable to mine efficiently with good yields using normal attack. (iron tools with 2 mods and im 5 shotting stone and can mine quite awhile without stopping) i never leave mine entrance unsecured. make it in your home base or surround it with cobblestone wall and row of spikes. better safe than sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gronk Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yes they should do this. Reports indicates that lower-end Specs are having a really hard-time, while recents ones have very good performance. Until the middle of the year, i had a very old computer and it was a miracle if i could play this game at all. I put it aside until this year when i got a 1070 GTX and a whole new computer. Now i'm having no issues at all. If they keep improving this game, lower-ends will be forced to upgrade and it's normal. This type of game is obviously very hungry when it comes to specs. That would generate a lot of salty posts as people are suddenly unable to play a game they've already paid for. With a decent amount of optimization the game _should_ be playable on a modest computer. There have been some design choices which, although easier to implement, haven't done the speed of the game much good. For example, the AI changes were supposed to limit the stutter due to recalculating the route, this has been replaced by a system in which the greatest bottleneck is also recalculating the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subquake Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It would be great if us modders would have a triggered_effect action ModifyProgression <triggered_effect trigger="[any]" progression_name="attStrength" action="ModifyProgression" operation="add" value="1"/> that would permanently change an attribute, skill or perk level. Supported operations: set,add,subtract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickoBasterd Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yes they should do this. Reports indicates that lower-end Specs are having a really hard-time, while recents ones have very good performance. Until the middle of the year, i had a very old computer and it was a miracle if i could play this game at all. I put it aside until this year when i got a 1070 GTX and a whole new computer. Now i'm having no issues at all. If they keep improving this game, lower-ends will be forced to upgrade and it's normal. This type of game is obviously very hungry when it comes to specs. The 1070 GTX is a 500$ GPU. Performance of the game was never good current state of experimental is even worse. I can play battlefield with high settings in full hd at 60+fps, thats on a 64 slot server with a lot of ♥♥♥♥ going on. Current build of 7days runs with with lower resolution and low to mid settings at barely 30fps with nothing going on. Looking forward to the performance optimizations MM mentioned. Some details would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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